Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[SorelyBoy]

Seriously folks, what more evidence do you want that this guy is getting electrical assistance? If you ask me, as regards the TT yesterday, something went wrong technically with the bike. Pogacar was brought back to the level he’s actually really at. Still very good, but not amazing. Today on the other hand was back to what we saw in the Spring, he literally left Vingegaard standing still in a seated attack that didn’t ease off the entire rest of the ride.

 

[MartinGT]

For what is worth this year's Giro had better ratings in Italy and the best in 10 years on German Eurosport. He isn't the draw cycling media wants him to be.

I actually really enjoyed the Giro this year for the first time in a long time.

 

[SorelyBoy]

I actually really enjoyed the Giro this year for the first time in a long time.

Me too. Because at least it was competitive. This freak show, on the other hand, is not only the opposite of competitive, it’s a total insult to our intelligence.

 

[Stablo]

A bit late to the party here, cause had to go to sons friends bday celebrations and watched only the replay. What a waste of time was it, such a clown show. I'm also sure that something went wrong with the bike on TT, now it was a proper e-assisted attack again, that it is obvious at this point. No real fatique, seated, calmly pedaling away. Look at the other top riders left behind and their enermous effort.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933201979976925320

View: https://x.com/festinaboy/status/1933201979976925320?s=19


This was also an intresting point, where does the power of Poggie(&Vingo) come from? Their legs and body looks like a no muscle,no sports teenager sofa warrrior. None of the old greats looked like that, you could always see they had power in their legs.
P.S. The translate button works well in X if you're not good in French like me.

 

[Stablo]

And here are the stats for the climb.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933552348594315685

View: https://x.com/festinaboy/status/1933552348594315685?s=19

Vampire-Gianetti has really pumped Poggie up with dope. And then when it wasn't enough, the motors were upgraded. This is what we have been seeing for 1,5 years now. No shame with the arrogance of the state(dictatorship)sponsored team and the UCI🤡

 

[Psycat]

As much as I respect Poga.... I must say it's getting ridiculous and to be blunt- he's just mocking everyone at this point.

So what about him do you respect?

 

[solo80k]

at this rate the TdF winner will have a 5+ minutes margin again.

He'll have 3+ minutes advantage easily during 1st rest day if he continues to break records like this.

 

[Psycat]

I know several who have enjoyed Pog now saying they cba watching races with him.

Uci need to pop him otherwise the viewership will just drop further

Honestly I don't care if he is doping or not, although I would bet everything but my life that he is, what gets to me is how boring him winning every other race(and obviously sandbagging the others) is. Heck it made me, as a Swede, cheer for a danish mutant.

 

[MartinGT]

Honestly I don't care if he is doping or not, although I would bet everything but my life that he is, what gets to me is how boring him winning every other race(and obviously sandbagging the others) is. Heck it made me, as a Swede, cheer for a danish mutant.

Well yes. There's absolutely nothing fun in him being so robotic and obvious.

He's even spoiling races like de Ronde. Lomabrdia I used to love. Not watched it since he's been juiced. He's spoiled it.

I have been going to Belgium every year for E3 and GW or RVV for 18 years now. But next year we're going to leave it. Try a different race where he isn't instead.

 

[meat puppet]

Once upon a time long range attacks were rare, against all odds, and therefore cherished. Now it's the meh of the meh: oh great, what a rider, history in the makings, my words, goat, etc.

Yeah, I'd take the sky era, or boonen/cancellara era, without blinking.

 

[ashhutch1997]

But guys we are watching history and so on, cant we just enjoy this nonsense?

"We are so lucky to be witnessing greatness" - any cycling media.

 

[Oldman]

Again, no. It's not just about winning. It's not hard to believe that Dylan Groenewegen is an excellent sprinter. He's built like a weightlifter and drops like a sack of potatoes when the gradient hits three percent. Credibility is a spectrum, and when you're a highly specialized rider, it's not difficult to believe that there's a possibility you're clean, not even when you're the best in the world at that one particular thing. But that's the thing about Pogi. He's the best at genuinely everything. He can outsprint sprinters, outclimb climbers, outwatt wattage monsters on the cobbles, and outside of freaky Remco - who is, well, a highly specialized rider - he also routinely smashes his adversaries when riding contre-la-montre. And even then, it's not just exclusively about how much he wins. It's also very much about how he wins. His nose-breathing, unphased, seated-acceleration-dominance is just so much outside the aforementioned spectrum of credibility that it's completely uncharted waters.

You create the reality and then judge the performance. Convenient. As I've mentioned many, many times; there is no naivete' in my corner regarding what pro riders embrace for "training".
When Remco rode the TT yesterday with identical riding characteristics absolutely no one suggested something out of the ordinary. Today Tadej and Matteo looked more comfortable in the heat. Jorgenson might have been given the choice to leave Jonas behind if he wasn't on Remco watch duty today. As I mentioned he had no problem making up 20 seconds on the front guys in 2km when he did leave Remco. What would have been the forum response then? If it happens in the next two days try to embrace that outrage as well.
Remco is not up to full racing speed, yet. He's underraced and should be to recover from injury. Jonas is underraced by training regime. The lab-rat strategy showed fairly well up to the point he lost Tadej's wheel today with enough climbing remaining to lose a minute. If he had done that to Tadej he would be hailed as the new Savior of equitable cycling.
The worm will turn and a whole new cadre' of fans can be ecstatic or outraged. I mean, really: Tadej only put 2 minutes into an 18 year old. What's wrong?

 

[ashhutch1997]

Well yes. There's absolutely nothing fun in him being so robotic and obvious.

He's even spoiling races like de Ronde. Lomabrdia I used to love. Not watched it since he's been juiced. He's spoiled it.

I have been going to Belgium every year for E3 and GW or RVV for 18 years now. But next year we're going to leave it. Try a different race where he isn't instead.

This years Giro had its highest TV ratings for years, there's a reason for that.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Something very fast acting definitely, the tt bike is slightly worse I think but nothing that would justify this kind of differential swing. Another comical outlier demonstration that make no sense within the context of the race, PdB last year as well as Torres/Avenir last stage. Tim Wellens suddenly looking like peak Richard Porte was quite funny though, Gianetti never did have much in the way of shame.

Tbf, those short turnarounds gave happened since 2020, Pogacar's Mtt on Pdbf after looking weaker on the previous mountain stages and Stelvio Dennis happening after being dropped on Madonna di Campiglio of all climbs the previous day...

 

[Red Rick]

This years Giro had its highest TV ratings for years, there's a reason for that.

Slovenian Stuntgranny doing stuntgranny things >>> Slovenian Goat

 

[Oldman]

Pogacar a true marvel. One of the few people in history who can increase the velocity of a bike without changing gear or cadence.

This is new. He never changed gears? I could've sworn I saw some changes and switching between big/small/big chain rings as well.
Do the motors do that or is it a telepathic system?

 

[ashhutch1997]

Jesus lads, we're still a month away from TDF and the forum has already exploded. Going to be absolute carnage on here in July. We will be there.

 

[Oldman]

You've got a 2 time tour de France winner in his prime, peaking towards his main goal, no doubt on the full rabobank programe, and he's accelerating out of the saddle and he can't hold the wheel of the guy riding seated in front of him ahahahahaha. Crazy.

He did the same thing in one of the classics. Out of the saddle into a turn, then drilled down while seated. Not everyone climbs like Pantani.

 

[ashhutch1997]

I know several who have enjoyed Pog now saying they cba watching races with him.

Uci need to pop him otherwise the viewership will just drop further

Yeah I used to be a huge fan but last year was just too much.

 

[Stablo]

He did the same thing in one of the classics. Out of the saddle into a turn, then drilled down while seated. Not everyone climbs like Pantani.

Yes and that was even more blatant e-assisted wattsbomb than today. Everyone grinding their hearts out of saddle, poggie just pushed the button and see you later. The accelaration was very unnatural and has been discussed here a lot before.

 

[Stablo]

Yeah I used to be a huge fan but last year was just too much.

I have hated the guy since that pdbf ITT. It was too obvious the already and the following Tour was the icing on the cake. That time he still didn't dominate every race around the year though. Dracula-Gianetti&Co has really made a favore to the sports, well at least they make Lance&Bruyneel look almost like humans again🤡😂

 

[cnort]

Commentator on French TV today: 'It seems easy for him at first glance, but if you look closely, you'll see that his belly moves a lot when he breathes, that indicates he's making a real effort.'

Why?

What a terrific observation. Perhaps it's the muesli. Or the internal combustion engine he has.

 

[ashhutch1997]

well at least they make Lance&Bruyneel look almost like humans again🤡😂

Lance Armstrong isn't on the same planet mate, he was good for ONE race once a year. Not every bloody race.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Did pocagar change bikes in the 2023 Combliux ITT?? Seems he went 90s (!) faster today.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933615670945853729

View: https://x.com/faustocoppi60/status/1933615670945853729?t=LjK3sAW4_l_70_fpXc9qGw&s=19

 

[SorelyBoy]

Just look at the video of Femke Van den Driessche riding away from everyone else.

View: https://youtu.be/UGwSBiHstSQ?si=mbCg8BNv6SJXJUtU

Now compare it to Pogacar today. It’s the same. Was the same in the Ardennes classics. Just riding away from everyone, the best riders in the world and making them look like amateurs. It looks ridiculous because it is. Vingegaard tried to go with him but didn’t even bother for more than about five seconds because he knew that at the speed Pogacar had immediately attained he might as well have tried to keep up with one of the press motorbikes.