Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Stablo]

Lance Armstrong isn't on the same planet mate, he was good for ONE race once a year. Not every bloody race.

Yes that was what I meant, this is totally next level cheating.

 

[Cookster15]

Did pocagar change bikes in the 2023 Combliux ITT?? Seems he went 90s (!) faster today.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933615670945853729

View: https://x.com/faustocoppi60/status/1933615670945853729?t=LjK3sAW4_l_70_fpXc9qGw&s=19

That was the day he said he was "dead". And the climb then was on a TT bike.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

That was the day he said he was "dead". And the climb then was on a TT bike.

Wrong. Pocagar changed bike. You can see it after 1:30 on the clip below

View: https://youtu.be/JkhKhSe1TYM?si=BArNxEHxWZeqbdUq

 

[Cookster15]

Wrong. Pocagar changed bike. You can see it after 1:30 on the clip below

View: https://youtu.be/JkhKhSe1TYM?si=BArNxEHxWZeqbdUq

But he did say he was dead. So only half wrong. And when you crack you lose big time. Everyone knows that.

 

[E_F_]

But he did say he was dead.

Wasn't that the next day?

 

[Cookster15]

Wasn't that the next day?

You are right. But the next day on Loze was because he emptied his reserves on Combloux. The riders know time gaps. But I think this explains why he was so much quicker today in fresh condition.

 

[zlev11]

its going to be an awesome day on here when they break the ventoux record

 

[ashhutch1997]

its going to be an awesome day on here when they break the ventoux record

In the words of Pep Guardiola, "we will be there".

 

[Blobs]

God damn!

Pogacar + a motor = Motarcar

 

[Red Rick]

its going to be an awesome day on here when they break the ventoux record

Ventoux record ain't even fast by modern standards.

Ventoux record is basically Yates on Finestre VAM

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Did pocagar change bikes in the 2023 Combliux ITT?? Seems he went 90s (!) faster today.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933615670945853729

View: https://x.com/faustocoppi60/status/1933615670945853729?t=LjK3sAW4_l_70_fpXc9qGw&s=19

He could have killed everyone in the 90s, too, and later have brought Pantani back to life.

 

[zlev11]

Ventoux record ain't even fast by modern standards.

Ventoux record is basically Yates on Finestre VAM

yup, it's going down for sure

 

[Raest]

Nearly 40 seconds than Vingegaards 23 performance, the typical whataboutism of Pog fans every time someone dared to mention that he is a biiiit suspect

 

[Cookster15]

Ventoux record ain't even fast by modern standards.

Ventoux record is basically Yates on Finestre VAM

Can we get the fastest Ventoux times since 2020? Would be interesting.

 

[Red Rick]

Can we get the fastest Ventoux times since 2020? Would be interesting.

Ventoux record is 1730 VAM on 7.5% average for 55 minutes.

Plateau de Beille was almost 1900 VAM for 40 minutes after a way more difficult mountain stage.

Similarly, Alpe d'Huez record is also only 1800. Hautacam is 1850.

None of the old, untouchable records even look spectacular anymore.

 

[Cookster15]

Ventoux is a tougher climb but the Alpe is the most prestigious.

Doping or not I will be a little sad when Marco Pantani's AdH record is broken. That was back when I started following this sport (around '93). But breaking that legendary record is beginning to seem inevitable when they race it again. 2026?

 

[Tim Cahill]

My picks stay my picks, and 20 years later I still have faith in Iban Mayo. These fraudulent twinks won't get within a minute.

 

[Divergence]

For all those comparing VIngo out of the saddle vs Pog in the saddle and dropping him, just know that when you are at the limit on a clim and you get out of the saddle you are not really sprinting. It may be something like going from 300W to 330W (not for Vingo, just a general example) and even though you look like you are sprinting it is not a huge increase of power. It is just a last try before you have to drop the pace.
Now, I agree that Pog's dominance is ridiculous and I really hope Rog can pull off a TdF victory this year. However, if I have to choose between Pog and the nasty guy with the ugly helmet I would always go for Pog.

 

[Oldman]

Yes and that was even more blatant e-assisted wattsbomb than today. Everyone grinding their hearts out of saddle, poggie just pushed the button and see you later. The accelaration was very unnatural and has been discussed here a lot before.

Since I'm not familiar with your level of knowledge so I'll assume this is meant to be sarcastic.

 

[Stablo]

Since I'm not familiar with your level of knowledge so I'll assume this is meant to be sarcastic.

Nope. Ignorance is a bliss I can tell you. It would be far more easier to just enjoy this WWE-show and cheer for motorčar/dopačar performances from the last 1,5 years specially(since 2020 tbh), but I just can't, never. Hurts the brain even more that way, it was the same with Pharmastrong, Froomie etc. this is just on another planet compared to those ones.

 

[Oldman]

Nope. Ignorance is a bliss I can tell you. It would be far more easier to just enjoy this WWE-show and cheer for motorčar/dopačar performances from the last 1,5 years specially(since 2020 tbh), but I just can't, never. Hurts the brain even more that way, it was the same with Pharmastrong, Froomie etc. this is just on another planet compared to those ones.

and after the TT everyone was cheering the end of Tadej's dominance and happy to write him off. Just a note to the uninitiated: the implication about Tadej belong in the Clinic. They have a doping aisle and a motor doping aisle where you're free to shop for conspiracies d'Jour.
I'm not a Mod but one may come knocking soon.

 

[Stablo]

and after the TT everyone was cheering the end of Tadej's dominance and happy to write him off. Just a note to the uninitiated: the implication about Tadej belong in the Clinic. They have a doping aisle and a motor doping aisle where you're free to shop for conspiracies d'Jour.
I'm not a Mod but one may come knocking soon.

This is The Clinic now where we have been discussing this. The thread for the monster creation of Gianetti. Friday and beer or wth? 🫡😅And yes after the TT I had hopes that we would be in for a good battle, fighting for the win, but the one monster just keeps on dominating. They have gone of limits the past 1,5 years, no drops in form, every discipline and fresh as a daisy all year around.

 

[Epicycle2]

For all those comparing VIngo out of the saddle vs Pog in the saddle and dropping him, just know that when you are at the limit on a clim and you get out of the saddle you are not really sprinting. It may be something like going from 300W to 330W (not for Vingo, just a general example) and even though you look like you are sprinting it is not a huge increase of power. It is just a last try before you have to drop the pace.
Now, I agree that Pog's dominance is ridiculous and I really hope Rog can pull off a TdF victory this year. However, if I have to choose between Pog and the nasty guy with the ugly helmet I would always go for Pog.

Today does follow the Mur de Huy performance though, where a sudden increase in power out of the saddle can be a big deal on a short climb and was not necessary for Pog on the Mur except for a brief moment.

So Tadej staying in the saddle today emphasizes his ease at dropping whoever he wants in the context of what happened during the Fleche.

 

[Ripper]

and after the TT everyone was cheering the end of Tadej's dominance and happy to write him off. Just a note to the uninitiated: the implication about Tadej belong in the Clinic. They have a doping aisle and a motor doping aisle where you're free to shop for conspiracies d'Jour.
I'm not a Mod but one may come knocking soon.

A couple of thoughts ...

First, a number of people I am aware of actually think Pog sandbagged the TT a bit. He certainly did not look like he was giving the ol' Deadpool Maximum Effort. And it was definitely not a pacing issue.

Second - this is the clinic. So I don't know how to interpret your post.

 

[noob]

I don't understand why every race has to be won. But I guess if you're used to it and has become "win tolerant" you have to win in bigger and better style with more minutes and crush the competition more and more each time.

Maybe he's become addicted not to winning but to humiliate. How small must the self confidence of such a person be.