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Difference with MVDP is that he isn’t good at everything and he isn’t good ALL THE TIME. You can see a clear difference between MVDP at Flanders or at LBL. He’s already on a downward trajectory. Pogi on the other hand is almost at 100% all the time, and never tires.
He only rides MTB, CC and road with great success.
He is just not a climber.
Pog is very complete and the best climber.
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Yep. MVDP can’t do it all like golden balls can. He targets certain times of the year and certain types of races, primarily the classics season because he’s a classics type of rider, not even able to do what Van Aert can do in GC. He then goes missing as he moves into a recuperation block. Even with those races he targets there’s usually a pattern to his form, getting better as his season starts before eventually dropping off towards the end of his race sequence. In other words, he appears to be incredibly talented but ultimately human. Pogacar doesn’t seem to need rest, has little variation to his form through huge blocks of race sequences, doesn't see a parcours which he thinks doesn’t suit him, and can now even compete in sprint finishes. Sorry, that’s just not possible.
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The issue for MVDP is he’s competitive and beating Pogacar at races while absolutely destroying the others, just like Vingegaard. If Pogacar tests positive Vingegaard and MVDP would go down as well and the UCI would never allow that. That was the point.
Also the best climber I would say. His such a total clown, that these days im lost of words. Keep on believing, for me this joker is the worst I have ever witnessed in the modern sports. Slovenia in whole is starting to look extremely suspicious, a nation with 2 million is producing world class talent after another🤡🤌It's not like their genepool is so different compared to other European or even Eastern- European nations. A beatifull country, but in sports massively dubious, add in Gianetti&Co and voila!
There been numerous riders who dominated the sport like Pog is doing at the moment.
Coppi, Merckx, Hinault... they all won monuments and GTs. A lot of other races as well. Throughout every season at their peak.
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Not necessarily. They would only have to take one down to send a signal to the rest and/or the fans. Not that I believe they will do that at the moment.
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All three have been dominating the rest of the field. If one goes down it would start a chain reaction from the media and fans, especially if it’s Pogacar that goes down first.
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I doubt they'd have the balls to catch them all. They're not Ash Ketchum, and even he needed years of proper training before he was capable of achieving it.
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If Pogacar goes down there’s no way Vingegaard and MVDP don’t as well due to how close they are to him and how much they dominate the others. There wouldn’t be anything close to this in the past. Three riders that absolutely dominate the rest of the field but the only thing tying Vingegaard and MVDP together is Pogacar.
And they’ve all had some doping controversy. Just because Pogacar is the best right now and best since Merckx doesn’t mean he’s not doping.
Just responding to the point about being good in almost every race. A few riders throughout the history of the sport used to ride and win a lot. All-time great riders usually do that. Or any athlete that wins a lot in their sport... usually end up on a list of all-time greats of that sport.
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Apples to Oranges. The riders who won a lot during the whole season in the past were racing against other riders who would also do the whole season (and track events/CX during the off season because why not). Pogacar is destroying riders targeting specific events like it's no big deal.
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With how wildly popular Pog is (I have a soft spot for the guy), there's no way the UCI takes him down publicly.
Pog opinion in first part of video, I live by it. Pogacar doesn't need to prove that he is clean..
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The perfect position to have if you want a scape goat. And humans craves scape goats.
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They were indeed, but they would ride the whole season just like ever other top rider, and the best guys were actually no slouch in the GC.
Who doesnt ride all season now though? They all do, not withstanding injuries.
Everyone does.
And someone like MVDP races a lot more, counting his other disciplines as well. He races from December/Early Jan all the way to worlds on road and then some.
It is not very different at all.
The claim that doping tests are constantly improving is rather naïve and misleading. Perhaps testing is more frequent and widespread, but how many loopholes are there when only a few substances are tested for, while at the same time there are hundreds of variations of, say, AICAR?
Take AICAR as an example: the UCI tests for AICAR and four of its variations. The problem is that there are 166 variations of AICAR that are not on the banned list but still have the same effect. You don’t have to be particularly smart to avoid testing positive for doping.
A slight Devil's Advocate question here...does Pogacar actually race quite as much as some posters in this thread are suggesting? I keep reading this idea that he dominates from "March to October" and on all terrain, but it still seems to me that he's very selective about his race days, and has simply got better at the sort of races that he's always been good at.
I'm not in any way making the argument that he is clean, just that (to me), his dominance doesn't seem quite as egregious as one might assume from reading this thread. He doesn't seem to race more than other riders, and he's not winning flat races or bunch sprints (though again, you would think that he is from some posts here).
What seems to have led to the idea that he is dominant on all terrain is (I think?) his excellent Roubaix debut, but I struggle to see this as being quite as outlandish as some people suggest. Although it's flat, it's got lots of elements that seem to suit him quite well - very long, very fatiguing due to the cobbles, requires very good bike handling skills. We saw that he would be good on the cobbles in the 2022 Tour.
I tend to take the view that he's a very talented rider, but sometimes he's eyebrow-raisingly good and I don't really understand how he's eliminated his weaknesses on hot, high-altitude stages (although I'll reserve my full judgement on this until after this year's Tour). However, from what I read on here, some posters seem to think that he's a no-talent on a motorised bike, and therefore everything and anything he does is impossible. I suppose we are not all the same in our levels of scepticism?
Hope these ramblings make sense!
I'm not in any way making the argument that he is clean, just that (to me), his dominance doesn't seem quite as egregious as one might assume from reading this thread. He doesn't seem to race more than other riders, and he's not winning flat races or bunch sprints (though again, you would think that he is from some posts here).
What seems to have led to the idea that he is dominant on all terrain is (I think?) his excellent Roubaix debut, but I struggle to see this as being quite as outlandish as some people suggest. Although it's flat, it's got lots of elements that seem to suit him quite well - very long, very fatiguing due to the cobbles, requires very good bike handling skills. We saw that he would be good on the cobbles in the 2022 Tour.
I tend to take the view that he's a very talented rider, but sometimes he's eyebrow-raisingly good and I don't really understand how he's eliminated his weaknesses on hot, high-altitude stages (although I'll reserve my full judgement on this until after this year's Tour). However, from what I read on here, some posters seem to think that he's a no-talent on a motorised bike, and therefore everything and anything he does is impossible. I suppose we are not all the same in our levels of scepticism?
Hope these ramblings make sense!
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I can't wait to see "new cycling fans" doping scandal virginity popped.
I'll certainly be basking in the schadenfreude.
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Over the last few years an image of clean sport has been built. No scandals among the biggest names. Maybe this is the way: spectacular performances and no busts. I don't think the people in charge want 2006-2010 all over again.
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I guess any scenario is possible (if Pogacar would get popped).
In 1998, neither Ullrich nor Pantani went down, when Vireqnue and Festina were caught. Even Riis, first of all suspects, did not go down then.
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Definitely, I'm pretty sure the UCI is just as corrupt as FIFA or UEFA. All the dirty sports washing money discreetly going into the right pockets.
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