Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[ahsoe]

Lol. Believe in what you want.

Good argument.

Mauro Gianetti has one of the most talented young riders of his generation and a doping programme that helps him and his team mates along with great success.
Maybe they did not need to push the boundaries with Pogacar because he is that good. But after getting beaten by Vingegaard for a couple of years they tweak/increase their programme or introduce new substances.

I don't find that too far fetched to believe.

 

[Lorzenz08]

Pogi again 1 vs Visma.

And people still wonder why we are supporting him like if we support Lance or Froome.

 

[solo80k]

Pogi again 1 vs Visma.

And people still wonder why we are supporting him like if we support Lance or Froome.

They ( UAE) keep their Xenon bottles and blood bags for Hautacam...

 

[DONCA]

Biggest takeaway:

Pog can´t drop Vingo with his Y1RS.

There are 2 different Pogs:

Alien pog = riding the V5RS (dropping everyone like crazy)
strong pog = riding the Y1RS (can´t get rid of vingo)

coincidence?

 

[Didinho]

Biggest takeaway:

Pog can´t drop Vingo with his Y1RS.

There are 2 different Pogs:

Alien pog = riding the V5RS (dropping everyone like crazy)
strong pog = riding the Y1RS (can´t get rid of vingo)

coincidence?

After I posted that Pogi was riding on his aero bike I saw Vingo with his aero handlebar so also not on his climbing bike?

 

[Lorzenz08]

They ( UAE) keep their Xenon bottles and blood bags for Hautacam...

Nope they will be dropped like flies 1km into Hautacam.

It will be Pogi and in front of him will be 4 Visma.

 

[solo80k]

Nope they will be dropped like flies 1km into Hautacam.

It will be Pogi and in front of him will be 4 Visma.

Ok, do you expect the stage winner finishing below 35 minutes? Pog or Jonas?

 

[Lorzenz08]

Ok, do you expect the stage winner finishing below 35 minutes? Pog or Jonas?

I expect Kuss, Yates, Jorgensson, Vingo and Pogi behind.

The will lead 1 by 1 until Jorgensson launch Vingo and Pogi follows.

Pogi will counter attack and win.

I think Riis record will fall

 

[Gingivitis]

I guess Tadej is better responder than Jonas for the latest juice that is being used but I also find Jonas' ability to respond to Tadej's attacks very interesting considering how he could not follow his wheel for more than 50m in Dauphine. What percentage of improvement would that be? 6-7?

 

[Red Rick]

I guess Tadej is better responder than Jonas for the latest juice that is being used but I also find Jonas' ability to respond to Tadej's attacks very interesting considering how he could not follow his wheel for more than 50m in Dauphine. What percentage of improvement would that be? 6-7?

Part of the difference is just today Pogacar attacking off a pretty weak pace while he was attacking of a strong pace in the in the Dauphine. And probably some slight timing as well in regards to Pogacar maybe being slightly ahead in form curve in Dauphine etc.

 

[Gingivitis]

I mean, after a long and hard day both of them just blow away remaining GC contenders on 300m of a 3k climb and then for 1k they laugh and ride behind furios pace of dropped Lenny Martinez with bloody nose while GC "contenders" lose time sprinting flat out behind them.
Ridiculous.

 

[Notarobot]

This guy (pogacar) is getting more and more arrogant in his post race interviews. Now he is annoyed by the attacks of Visma, and let martinez cross the line before him because it means more to martinez than to himself. Such strange things to say.

 

[Gingivitis]

Part of the difference is just today Pogacar attacking off a pretty weak pace while he was attacking of a strong pace in the in the Dauphine. And probably some slight timing as well in regards to Pogacar maybe being slightly ahead in form curve in Dauphine etc.

could be. but it could also be somet'n else.

 

[Unchained]

The difference in Pogacar's 2 bikes is said to be @720 grams!! The attack that Pogacar put in in last Ks dropped everyone easily except for Vingegaard. .Jonas had outstanding leg speed today..

 

[Froome]

Part of the difference is just today Pogacar attacking off a pretty weak pace while he was attacking of a strong pace in the in the Dauphine. And probably some slight timing as well in regards to Pogacar maybe being slightly ahead in form curve in Dauphine etc.

It can be true from today's attack, not from the attack of stage 4 and he was able to follow.

He would get dropped in dauphine shape.

 

[Unchained]

This guy (pogacar) is getting more and more arrogant in his post race interviews. Now he is annoyed by the attacks of Visma, and let martinez cross the line before him because it means more to martinez than to himself. Such strange things to say.

What could possibly be " strange " about Pogacar being aware that Lenny Martinez was dedicating his ride to his grandfather, what is strange about Pogacar not wanting to take something from Frenchman, Lenny Martinez on Bastille Day, in France..just because he could?
What a considerate and self aware thing to say about Lenny Martinez and with everything else that Pogacar needs to be aware of, knowing the backstory about Martinez's grandfather is good.. Not bad or strange.. And certainly as far from any degree of arrogance. There are many things to be discovered in doping threads, one might be just who is doping..

 

[Notarobot]

Yeah wow a 6th place

 

[pelotonIQ]

Give me a break. Nobody is asking for reputable sources when people are speculating that Vingegaard is doped based on circumstantial evidence. There's a very clear difference between that and then stating that a rider borderline triggered the bio passport. One is loosely speculating and wouldn't merit any real conversation outside of this forum, the other is claiming that something very concrete happened, that would clearly merit not just conversations but also journalistic efforts to cover.

Except you're not ''loosely speculating'' wether Pogacar is a doper or not, your posts heavily suggest that you are 100% sure Pogacar is a doper. What do you know that UCI doesn't and what do you see that the doping controls don't? I would like to see some evidence behind those doping claims and before you start, beating a Lance KOM isn't evidence.

 

[Rob5091]

Except you're not ''loosely speculating'' wether Pogacar is a doper or not, your posts heavily suggest that you are 100% sure Pogacar is a doper. What do you know that UCI doesn't and what do you see that the doping controls don't? I would like to see some evidence behind those doping claims and before you start, beating a Lance KOM isn't evidence.

This is professional sport, so the surprise would be if guys are n't doping! The only difference is whether WADA have banned it or not, i.e. "illegal" or "legal".
The moto-doping tzar himself made the comparision between cycling and horse racing - both have stables full of non-talking participants, who get get used until they can n't perform anymore.

 

[AttaqueDeRolland]

Except you're not ''loosely speculating'' wether Pogacar is a doper or not, your posts heavily suggest that you are 100% sure Pogacar is a doper. What do you know that UCI doesn't and what do you see that the doping controls don't? I would like to see some evidence behind those doping claims and before you start, beating a Lance KOM isn't evidence.

Me being sure that Pogi is doping based on circumstantial evidence is, yes, essentially loosely speculating. That's what The Clinic is 98 percent of the time.

If you genuinely cannot see the difference between this - which, admittedly, is very much bordering on outright conspiracy theories - and claiming that something concrete happened, like a rider triggering the bio passport, then that's solely and wholly on you.

If you have such a hard time handling the former, I suspect you're in the wrong place, because, again, that's what 98 percent of all posts in The Clinic amount to.

 

[Ulle97]

Biggest takeaway:

Pog can´t drop Vingo with his Y1RS.

There are 2 different Pogs:

Alien pog = riding the V5RS (dropping everyone like crazy)
strong pog = riding the Y1RS (can´t get rid of vingo)

coincidence?

I'm no expert on these bikes but what is the speculation with the bikes he uses?

Does he perform better when on a certain bike model?

 

[pelotonIQ]

Me being sure that Pogi is doping based on circumstantial evidence is, yes, essentially loosely speculating. That's what The Clinic is 98 percent of the time.

If you genuinely cannot see the difference between this - which, admittedly, is very much bordering on outright conspiracy theories - and claiming that something concrete happened, like a rider triggering the bio passport, then that's solely and wholly on you.

If you have such a hard time handling the former, I suspect you're in the wrong place, because, again, that's what 98 percent of all posts in The Clinic amount to.

Whatever floats your boat and the bolded part has nothing to do with me, you're mixing me up with someone else from the Jonas thread. Take it up with him or her.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

So yesterday Pogi was riding on his training 20 kilo bike.
When he rides V5RS dreams will be shattered and lots of guys OTL.

 

[pelotonIQ]

So yesterday Pogi was riding on his training 20 kilo bike.
When he rides V5RS dreams will be shattered and lots of guys OTL.

Inb4 the detractors start claiming the hidden motor is in the V5RS and not in the Y1Rs

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Inb4 the detractors start claiming the hidden motor is in the V5RS and not in the Y1Rs

I hope we figure this out soon, I don't want to end up accidentally buying the one without the motor.