Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Peyroteo94]

Hey guys, his wheels weren't spinning after his crash. Motordoping is not the reason for his level.

 

[SorelyBoy]

IMO this points to motor use. no reason to risk it on a less decisive stage, but when there's real time to gain it's worth the risk.

I agree. Motor doping is very risky so if it is used it will be used tactically in terms of say the Tour, the Giro etc. Remember Pogacar’s time trial when he overtook Roglic to win his first Tour with a quite frankly ridiculous effort on the TT? That’s the type of stage that motor doping would make sense, when everything is on the line. High risk high reward. Similar would be a big crucial mountain stage. I’m convinced UAE used it at certain races in the Spring classics. As well as enabling ludicrous long range attacks, and preternatural looking seated attacks on very steep inclines, motor doping also has a very nice side effect in that it allows the rider to pace their efforts and ensure they don’t get too tired within a race but also race to race. So the rider will stay fresher for longer as the season progresses. Of course it is certainly very risky. Even if certain mitigations are in place, say mid race bike changes, buying off officials, detection avoidance technology, even compromising of the entire governing body, one small overlooked thing or bit of bad luck could blow it all up. The human factor is at the same time the weakest link in the detection system, but also the weakest link for those doing the cheating. But if certain people have proved themselves previously to be willing to go to *extreme* lengths to gain biological advantages, why would we expect those same people (and others of a similar mindset) not to do so with mechanical engineering methods?

 

[dr.eve]

In 2023, Mauro was in UAE so this argument is not great.

It is a fine argument, does not matter if Mauro was UAE in the year 0 or 2023.

The guy is despicable and embodies what is rotten in cycling. If you find it OK that he is in procycling still than you're just as much part of the problem.

 

[Stablo]

It is a fine argument, does not matter if Mauro was UAE in the year 0 or 2023.

The guy is despicable and embodies what is rotten in cycling. If you find it OK that he is in procycling still than you're just as much part of the problem.

And they clearly had to up the antes so to say, after losing two years in a row to Vinge. New juice, more of the old stuff, sophisticated motors(and using them more often) or all them together. The training explanation(10% rise in one winter!!) is worse bs than the marginal gains ever was.

 

[peterfin]

Hey guys, his wheels weren't spinning after his crash. Motordoping is not the reason for his level.

Unfortunately that kind of evidence we will never see when a tiny motor has a huge advantage such as during the climb to Hautacam today.

 

[Ulle97]

After Pogacar's crash yesterday there is talk that he might have a reduced performance today. Traditionally, we have seen when a rider has a crash, that it can take a couple of days to get back to full capabilities.

My question is, even though he has suffered a crash, will his performance go down much or will the use of his motor offset any shortcomings from the crash. Or maybe they will increase the watt capabilities of the motor given the fact that he has bruising/road rash.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

My question is, even though he has suffered a crash, will his performance go down much or will the use of his motor offset any shortcomings from the crash. Or maybe they will increase the watt capabilities of the motor given the fact that he has bruising/road rash.

Teddy will borrow a bike from Marc Marquez:

 

[Stablo]

After Pogacar's crash yesterday there is talk that he might have a reduced performance today. Traditionally, we have seen when a rider has a crash, that it can take a couple of days to get back to full capabilities.

My question is, even though he has suffered a crash, will his performance go down much or will the use of his motor offset any shortcomings from the crash. Or maybe they will increase the watt capabilities of the motor given the fact that he has bruising/road rash.

I think that's why he was so relaxed yeasterday about the bruises, he knows it's not going to affect the watts at all. Today we will see the VR5S for the first time since Dauphine and be prepared for the first super alien performance of this Tour.

 

[Ulle97]

I wouldn't know the difference in these bikes.
Would someone indicate here when the stage starts which bike he has chosen for today?

 

[snipeheem]

I wouldn't know the difference in these bikes.
Would someone indicate here when the stage starts which bike he has chosen for today?

Right now its still the aero bike. Maybe he change during the stage to VR5S

 

[Berniece]

Hey guys, his wheels weren't spinning after his crash. Motordoping is not the reason for his level.

1. Why would he use his motor when just riding on the flat in a small group?
2. Maybe he was turning his motor off when not paying attention right before he made himself crash

 

[snipeheem]

1. Why would he use his motor when just riding on the flat in a small group?
2. Maybe he was turning his motor off when not paying attention right before he made himself crash

Made himself crash? We have a Stevie Wonder here

 

[Abedfo]

Good to see mountain goats like Tim Merlier dropping Skelmose and Evenepoel. Fully strapped if for a ridiculous acceleration now.

 

[Abedfo]

Good to see mountain goats like Tim Merlier dropping Skelmose and Evenepoel. Fully strapped if for a ridiculous acceleration now.

Right on time.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yeah baby! My clock is ticking. In 30 minutes we will talk more!

 

[Notarobot]

If you still believe there's no motor in his bike after that attack, you'd better be silent forever.

 

[SorelyBoy]

Vroom vroom. Laughable.

 

[burning]

I think he's not beating Riis, but I am really rooting for Pogacar right now, LOL

 

[Notarobot]

July 17th, 2025 the day I stopped watching procycling.

 

[Raest]

What's the KOM for Hautacam?

 

[tyson766]

Sean Kelly on commentary, ‘He doesn’t look like he’s anywhere near the limit’.

 

[SorelyBoy]

TWO MINUTES!!! WE DEMAND TWO MINUTES!!!!!!!

 

[46&twoWheels]

gentlemen, we're making history today.

 

[burning]

gentlemen, we're making history today.

Not really, I don't think he's beating Riis sadly

 

[AttaqueDeRolland]

This sport is dead.