Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[glassmoon]

Did he at least try to put a suffering show for the cameras?

 

[snipeheem]

Worse than Riis. Tadej is clean

 

[BoobiesAndBloodBags]

I think that's why he was so relaxed yeasterday about the bruises, he knows it's not going to affect the watts at all. Today we will see the VR5S for the first time since Dauphine and be prepared for the first super alien performance of this Tour.

 

[MartinGT]

I'll stick to MTB XCO at least that's entertaining

 

[Raest]

I 'll wait for the times and wattage but I think that he was flattered by Vingegaard today. He seemed nowhere (though it's possible that he climbed faster than 23 and I'll eat crow).

 

[Lorzenz08]

Guys until 2024 he was trained by a guy who makes training program for 65yo grannies who want to lose 10kg of fat.
And before that he was trained by Slovenian trainers who barely had any experience with WT level racing.

What do you expect once he switches to Sola ?

He was always the greatest talent from day 1. Way bigger than Remco. Who started racing at 17 but immidiately by Belgium trainers who know cycling since they are born.

 

[Mayomaniac]

This is a 2015 LPSM situation with all teams but one underperforming (also first mountain stage). 2015 Nibali was faster than Vinge today...

 

[solo80k]

I 'll wait for the times and wattage but I think that he was flattered by Vingegaard today. He seemed nowhere (though it's possible that he climbed faster than 23 and I'll eat crow).

Jonas is gone, is dead. He will ship another 1-1:30 tomorrow - game over. The God King gets what he wants.

 

[ontheroad]

It's almost become the norm now but that was another super normal performance where he made other top class cyclists look like chumps. One vicious acceleration was all it took to ride the reduced peloton off his wheel and he maintained an infernal pace for 11-12km. You need to be super confident to attack from so far out on such a climb.

On the presumption that they are all chemically enhanced the only logical explanation for such a performance is mechanical doping. If that performance is solely fuelled by chemical assistance then it is some rare premium fuel. But I think it has to be more than that to sustain that pace in the saddle for kilometre after kilometre.

 

[Blobs]

Apparently didn't quite get Riis' time, but was way ahead for a lot of the climb. Maybe he ran out of battery at some point, or his hematocrit was only 63%.

Edit: Or just severely hampered by the crash yesterday.

 

[DONCA]

Guys until 2024 he was trained by a guy who makes training program for 65yo grannies who want to lose 10kg of fat.
And before that he was trained by Slovenian trainers who barely had any experience with WT level racing.

What do you expect once he switches to Sola ?

He was always the greatest talent from day 1. Way bigger than Remco. Who started racing at 17 but immidiately by Belgium trainers who know cycling since they are born.

Only stupid people believe this fairy tale.
Do you really think that the richest team in the peloton hires a completely amateur coach that doesn´t know anything about heat training etc. ?

come on. maybe san milan was not the best coach but this increase in performance of more then 10% is far away from normal at this level.....

This story was invented so that there would be no accusations of doping.

The history of cycling told us always the same, when we were watching those outstanding riders.....

 

[Red Rick]

Yeah so either everyone gets their mountain megadose wrong or this is just UCI protection racketeering at work.

 

[Lorzenz08]

Only stupid people believe this fairy tale.
Do you really think that the richest team in the peloton hires a completely amateur coach that doesn´t know anything about heat training etc. ?

come on. maybe san milan was not the best coach but this increase in performance of more then 10% is far away from normal at this level.....

This story was invented so that there would be no accusations of doping.

The history of cycling told us always the same, when we were watching those outstanding riders.....

Of course, look at PSG they had the most money for more than a decade and sucked balls despite having the best talents.

 

[Red Rick]

Of course, look at PSG they had the most money for more than a decade and sucked balls despite having the best talents.

Footie is a lot more expensive to buy than cycling bud

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Of course, look at PSG they had the most money for more than a decade and sucked balls despite having the best talents.

Cuz in soccer you need to work together and put aside egos to win, which doesn’t really apply here fully.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Pogacar about 6 or7% worse than last year on w/kg. The physiological effort was consistent the entire climb with only 1 big effort, he would've beaten the record last year by a minute+

It should be about 6.5 for 35, he did 6.9 for 40 last year

Vingegaard miles, miles worse, probably about 10%, he loses to Nibali today, despite much better preparation.

'Kévin Vauquelin' 'Oscar Onley' and 'Tobias Halland Johannessen' who honestly if you told me they weren't doing any drugs I'd be inclined to believe you, not particularly suspicious riders, up there in GC.

Very interesting climb, looking forward to some explanations.

Visma looked like a 2014 top 10 GC team out there today.

 

[Blobs]

Guys until 2024 he was trained by a guy who makes training program for 65yo grannies who want to lose 10kg of fat.
And before that he was trained by Slovenian trainers who barely had any experience with WT level racing.

What do you expect once he switches to Sola ?

He was always the greatest talent from day 1. Way bigger than Remco. Who started racing at 17 but immidiately by Belgium trainers who know cycling since they are born.

As far as I understand, he's still the coach of several other UAE riders. Why would they still use him, if he's such a *** coach?

 

[Lorzenz08]

Yeah so either everyone gets their mountain megadose wrong or this is just UCI protection racketeering at work.

Lipowitz had a WAY bigger jump of performance from last year than Pogi ever had, despite being 25yo (not a kid).

 

[ontheroad]

Apparently didn't quite get Riis' time, but was way ahead for a lot of the climb. Maybe he ran out of battery at some point, or his hematocrit was only 63%.

Edit: Or just severely hampered by the crash yesterday.

Or maybe he sat up or turned the motor off once he knew he had put the race to bed and obliterated the rest of the field.

 

[Red Rick]

Pretty sure Pogacar today isn't even better than Simon Yates on Finestre.

This is the fastest regression I've seen since Nadal's 3rd hair transplant.

 

[Brullnux]

This is a 2015 LPSM situation with all teams but one underperforming (also first mountain stage). 2015 Nibali was faster than Vinge today...

Still a superb effort from Pogacar, given his lack of teammates/lack of drafting.

 

[Red Rick]

Lipowitz had a WAY bigger jump of performance from last year than Pogi ever had, despite being 25yo (not a kid).

Buddy I guarantee you he did 6.1 for 32 minutes last year and this one sure as hell ain't 6.5 or more.

 

[Raest]

Pogacar about 6 or7% worse than last year on w/kg. The physiological effort was consistent the entire climb with only 1 big effort, he would've beaten the record last year by a minute+

It should be about 6.5 for 35, he did 6.9 for 40 last year

Vingegaard miles, miles worse, probably about 10%, he loses to Nibali today, despite much better preparation.

'Kévin Vauquelin' 'Oscar Onley' and 'Tobias Halland Johannessen' who honestly if you told me they weren't doing any drugs I'd be inclined to believe you, not particularly suspicious riders, up there in GC.

Very interesting climb, looking forward to some explanations.

Visma looked like a 2014 top 10 GC team out there today.

I'll wait for the lanterne rouge numbers but if that's the case then Vingegaard has regressed tremendously over the past couple of years. He's done at least 3 climbs with efforts over 7 W/kg (though for 10-15min), the Combloux being one of them (though he had 2 prior to that) and he hasn't been close since his injry. I am afraid he's lost a step due to its severity, or they *** up their prep completely as a team (which is also possible since all of them are not doing well)

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Pretty sure Pogacar today isn't even better than Simon Yates on Finestre.

This is the fastest regression I've seen since Nadal's 3rd hair transplant.

Think the Simon Yates time is fairly overrated, Most power curves just underestimating 1 Hour power because they never do 1 hour all-out seems more likely

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

Lipowitz had a WAY bigger jump of performance from last year than Pogi ever had, despite being 25yo (not a kid).

Lipowitz last 3 seasons are actually a very logical progression for a young rider.