Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Extinction]

How Tadej Pogačar Built His Outrageous Seated Attacks in the Weight Room

If you want to pedal like Pogačar, don't skip your sit-ups: Tour de France champion crushed his core to develop a new race-winning weapon.

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Swart claims that extra core training plays a big part in Pogacars ability to stay seated whenever he attacks.

Revolutionary stuff, although this mightn't be as much of an advantage when everyone else cops onto it!!

This is complete BS, like altitude training, the effects of which last days, not weeks. For this to be true he would have to do "core training" throughout the year, but that's not possible, as he couldn't train properly on the bike and recover. The only plausibility is drugs and/or a motor.

PS: Altitude training is a cover for massive doping. In the Tour the big mountains come in the second week normally, by which time altitude training has worn off.

 

[BubbaChuck]

jonas and remco fans on full copium.no,no he cant be real,he improved 10% in ONE YEAR.just realize you are rooting for ''chumps.''

 

[ontheroad]

'I'm already counting the years until retirement' - Tadej Pogačar accepts he cannot win forever

UAE leader adds hilly European Championships to end of season race plans

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All this retirement talk from Pogacar is slightly bizarre. Whatever happened him during this Tour he transformed from the carefree, fun loving bike rider into a stony faced, business like, crushing machine. The joy would appear to have been sucked out of him.

 

[Mayomaniac]

'I'm already counting the years until retirement' - Tadej Pogačar accepts he cannot win forever

UAE leader adds hilly European Championships to end of season race plans

www.cyclingnews.com

All this retirement talk from Pogacar is slightly bizarre. Whatever happened him during this Tour he transformed from the carefree, fun loving bike rider into a stony faced, business like, crushing machine. The joy would appear to have been sucked out of him.

Hitting the rocket fuel too hard and having a scary moment at night?

 

[Rob5091]

Bored, side effect of the PED's or he "just cann't handle all the winning " (or maybe Rozman knows something about Pogi) ... To be honest, I think he changed after the crash on stage 11.

 

[pastronef]

Bored, side effect of the PED's or he "just cann't handle all the winning " (or maybe Rozman knows something about Pogi) ... To be honest, I think he changed after the crash on stage 11.

a few people here and on twitter are putting the hopes on the Rozman news more than they should ffs

 

[solo80k]

Bored, side effect of the PED's or he "just cann't handle all the winning " (or maybe Rozman knows something about Pogi) ... To be honest, I think he changed after the crash on stage 11.

The unexpected guests late at night?

 

[Cookster15]

This is complete BS, like altitude training, the effects of which last days, not weeks. For this to be true he would have to do "core training" throughout the year, but that's not possible, as he couldn't train properly on the bike and recover. The only plausibility is drugs and/or a motor.

PS: Altitude training is a cover for massive doping. In the Tour the big mountains come in the second week normally, by which time altitude training has worn off.

Maybe you are right but this is not what I found when I did a search? It suggests two weeks, not days. But you are right it would not last until the third week of a grand tour.

To the question of "how long does altitude training last" Google AI gave this answer:

Altitude training typically involves spending a minimum of three to four weeks at high altitude (generally 2,500 meters or 7,500 feet). While some acclimatization effects can be seen after about five days, longer periods (3-6 weeks) are recommended to maximize performance benefits. The positive effects on blood oxygen carrying capacity and muscular endurance can last for up to two weeks after returning to a lower altitude

 

[Valv.Piti]

Pog would rip everyone regardless of full rocket fuel peloton or full cleans. What he is doing is unprecedented, dominating every big race on the calender. Better pure climber than Jonas, and better at consistently going above threshold in Flanders until he breaks the best classicomanos. I don't really care if he is clean or not, what Jonas, Remco, Mathieu is doing Pogacar is most likely as well whether thats grey area stuff or full rocket program. He's just a better talent

 

[ColonelKidneyBeans]

Pog would rip everyone regardless of full rocket fuel peloton or full cleans. What he is doing is unprecedented, dominating every big race on the calender. Better pure climber than Jonas, and better at consistently going above threshold in Flanders until he breaks the best classicomanos. I don't really care if he is clean or not, what Jonas, Remco, Mathieu is doing Pogacar is most likely as well whether thats grey area stuff or full rocket program. He's just a better talent

I don't get this, the "level playing field" argument was already not very convincing in the past, since we know not everyone has access to the same stuff/the best doctors/reacts differently to the same drugs and the "everybody is doing it anyway" does not means that it isn't against the rules/that some riders aren't actually clean (or at least sticking to the so called "grey zone").

 

[dr.eve]

Pog would rip everyone regardless of full rocket fuel peloton or full cleans. What he is doing is unprecedented, dominating every big race on the calender. Better pure climber than Jonas, and better at consistently going above threshold in Flanders until he breaks the best classicomanos. I don't really care if he is clean or not, what Jonas, Remco, Mathieu is doing Pogacar is most likely as well whether thats grey area stuff or full rocket program. He's just a better talent

I will never ever understand this type of fascination.

 

[Extinction]

Maybe you are right but this is not what I found when I did a search? It suggests two weeks, not days. But you are right it would not last until the third week of a grand tour.

To the question of "how long does altitude training last" Google AI gave this answer:

Sure, the key is "up to two weeks", so could be days for some, but not the length of a grand tour, when there should be diminishing returns. At any rate, I've always thought altitude training was one way to take the focus off doping. Has it's benefits, but can't explain the performance hikes of today.

 

[Rob5091]

So guys in 2.2 races are getting busted for epo, but the world tour peloton is on bread and water doing nearly 50km/h for 10 days straight?
If the Spanish were allowed to do tests at weekends and between 11 and 6, then the altitude training would n't be so popular.

 

[Notarobot]

'I'm already counting the years until retirement' - Tadej Pogačar accepts he cannot win forever

UAE leader adds hilly European Championships to end of season race plans

www.cyclingnews.com

All this retirement talk from Pogacar is slightly bizarre. Whatever happened him during this Tour he transformed from the carefree, fun loving bike rider into a stony faced, business like, crushing machine. The joy would appear to have been sucked out of him.

They noticed the sympathy for Pogacar get's less and less. So instead of the happy jolly cheerfull character, they now opt to play out the depressed "life is so hard being Pogacar" act to win back the sympathy of the people.

 

[Extinction]

They noticed the sympathy for Pogacar get's less and less. So instead of the happy jolly cheerfull character, they now opt to play out the depressed "life is so hard being Pogacar" act to win back the sympathy of the people.

You know, in Italian there's a saying: A pensare male degli altri si fa peccato, ma spesso ci si azzecca (To think badly of others one sins, but often one gets it right).

 

[BubbaChuck]

Pog is same as eddie,lance and hinault.ruthless character obsessed with wins and will do anything.Reality,sees cycling more as an interest and will retire before 30.

 

[Revelation]

I assume "he got 10% better as a cyclist" is extrapolated solely from PdB, maybe with a bit of Isola too? That's smart and logical, take 1-2 climbs while ignoring the obvious factor that limited him the previous year, and generalize that to the cyclist as a whole, so that every pedal stroke was 10% more powerful in 2024 compared to 2023.

Actually, while a solid method, it's not perfect. We should actually be comparing either PdB or Isola 2024 to Loze 2023, both at similar point at the tour and the decisive stage. So the correct % of improvement isn't 10 but actually around 30, probably.

 

[Rob5091]

They noticed the sympathy for Pogacar get's less and less. So instead of the happy jolly cheerfull character, they now opt to play out the depressed "life is so hard being Pogacar" act to win back the sympathy of the people.

From what I've read and saw at the Tour, Pogi's popularity has grown from last year with more fans roadside.

 

[BubbaChuck]

whats funnier is,if you do same for vinge is 7% and he was coming from crash.lol.

 

[Charlyghoul]

Is Pog juiced to the gills more than Merckx and what sort of concoctions are swimming in his bloodstream compared to the great Eddy?

 

[Charlyghoul]

View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/tgyx_hhbRKo

Eddy era racing had equipment brutality for every aspect, natural chamois, and all that goes with that.. Wool clothing!! Shoes that were more likely to bend your foot in half.. Leather toe straps that in order to be used correctly, hurt your foot. The derailuers and gearing were there trying to blow your knees out!! So I will second that Michael Jordan grace, but Pogacar has many many things in his favor that were not available to Eddy Merckx. Personally hygiene has to be a monumental change!! Can't imagine how saddle sores play into cycling history!!
Guys standing around after the race in clamy clothing and it was never completely free of bacteria!! I feel itchy and infected just thinking about it!! I think they should make Pogacar wear 1960s, 70s clothing and equipment and see how he does!! When he looks back.. What do you mean 43x 19 is for climbing the steepest grades? Why am I wearing a wool t-shirt under my wool jersey? What's up with these shorts? How do you get rid of this diaper rash?

Exactly.
These coddled watt counters wouldn’t handle those conditions, give Eddy a 2025 colnago, a silly time trial helmet, and enough dope to supercharge an Indian elephant and see what he does

 

[Valv.Piti]

I will never ever understand this type of fascination.

If you're a cycling fan, how cant you be fascinated by the sheer amount of talent, versaility and power?

 

[Unchained]

This is complete BS, like altitude training, the effects of which last days, not weeks. For this to be true he would have to do "core training" throughout the year, but that's not possible, as he couldn't train properly on the bike and recover. The only plausibility is drugs and/or a motor.

PS: Altitude training is a cover for massive doping. In the Tour the big mountains come in the second week normally, by which time altitude training has worn off.

It does last a couple of weeks and beyond... Pogacar lives in Monaco and that's at sea level!! Spending a bunch of time training in Sierra Nevada probably helps..
Don't see why riders would live in Denia, Girona just more sea level stuff.

I know athletes that live and train in Boulder, Colorado Springs, Morzine, Tahoe and Flagstaff and see big differences in performance from switching from Scottsdale, San Diego, Lyon, Dallas..and the effects last when traveling,.

Because altitude training has been a recognized benefit in all endurance sports for decades the idea that is part of a complicated ruse to use PEDs is just not rooted in fact.
Science says altitude training works

 

[dr.eve]

If you're a cycling fan, how cant you be fascinated by the sheer amount of talent, versaility and power?

Well you can indeed, though as a cycling fan I prefer some more competition.

But my comment was not about this, it is about your comment saying you do not care whether someone is clean or not. I can not understand that. Combined with liking a one man domination show makes it an odd fascination.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Well you can indeed, though as a cycling fan I prefer some more competition.

But my comment was not about this, it is about your comment saying you do not care whether someone is clean or not. I can not understand that. Combined with liking a one man domination show makes it an odd fascination.

Its professional sports, man. If I cared so very deeply whether the stars of the entertainment that I prefer to watch dope, I'd watch a Netflix show instead. Or at least another sport with a different history than cycling's. Cycling is what it is, we don't really know what's going on, but we have an idea based on the historic performances lately. We can get upset and call everyone cheaters on an internet forum, or we can enjoy the sport for what it is.

I don't necesssarily like one man domination shows, I think most people don't. But I very much prefer to watch a once in a lifetime talent showcase his talent on varied terrain throughout the season while getting pushed to his maximum by other super elite talents like Van der Poel, Remco and Vingegaard on their preferred terrain than to watch some of the many complete dirt races I have watched as well throughout the last 20 years. The 10's in many ways was the worst and most controlled era of cycling, especially races like TdF and Liege-Bastogne-Liege were generally terrible watching, but so were a lot of other races. Riders couldn't make a difference and made sure to wait as long as possible to make sure it counted. Todays biggest stars are the polar opposite, and its a blast watching especially the classics. 2024 was a down year due to Pogacar skipping Belgian classics and Wout crashing hard, but the classics of 2025 were absolutely great racing from very far out from Strade Bianche, to MSR, to GW, to E3, to Flanders, to Roubaix, to Amstel and to a little lesser extent to LBL because Remco was off. The opening weekend was dirt because it reminded one off the races where everyone was so evenly matched and nobody could make even a slight different, so it ended in a mass sprint.

The generation of Pogacar, Van der Poel, Remco, Wout and Vingegaard will be looked on as the golden generation of cycling. Add amazing talents like Mads Pedersen and Julian Alapihlippe. They have the talent and willingness to open from afar. Then you can choose to sit back and be mad about super talents dominating the sport or sit back back and enjoy some absolute great bike races.