Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[topt]

Of all the posts on the cyclingnews forum, this is certainly one of them.

you didnt answer my question

 

[Charlyghoul]

Since we’re in the clinic , can Pog match 7 tours of the greatest Tour de France rider of all time mr Lance Armstrong ?
Also Armstrongs opposition > Pogs

 

[BubbaChuck]

lance isnot greatest tour rider in hsitory,thats pogacar by country mile.noone even close to 4 tours by 26-merckx zero competition,those hilarius tours are not worth 1.lance faced gimped competition,while doing 1 race per year.stop it.

 

[Charlyghoul]

lance isnot greatest tour rider in hsitory,thats pogacar by country mile.noone even close to 4 tours by 26-merckx zero competition,those hilarius tours are not worth 1.lance faced gimped competition,while doing 1 race per year.stop it.

Merckx and Pog won the same number of gt’s by then, Eddy was superior overall.
Lance won 7, Poggy only has 4. Lance had Pantani, Ullrich, Basso, Beloki. Pog only has one rival. There’s no comparison there

 

[BubbaChuck]

lol eddie gts are not worth 2 of pogacar.lance faced suicidal pantani and joke of ullrich,who quit after 1ts title.my grandmother could won in that era.beloki and mayo,lmao.stop it.pog by far greatest tour rider.

 

[Charlyghoul]

lol eddie gts are not worth 2 of pogacar.lance faced suicidal pantani and joke of ullrich,who quit after 1ts title.my grandmother could won in that era.beloki and mayo,lmao.stop it.pog by far greatest tour rider.

No way, Pog only has Vingegaard and has lost to him two times to four, Armstrong crushed a great rider in Ullrich, even trained himself to crush him in time trials.
Pog can’t even beat Remco in tt’s.
Lances mountain train will squeeze Pog and frustrate him, Lance will then beat him in the tt’s. Lance also superior mentally than Pog.

 

[SHAD0W93]

No way, Pog only has Vingegaard and has lost to him two times to four, Armstrong crushed a great rider in Ullrich, even trained himself to crush him in time trials.
Pog can’t even beat Remco in tt’s.
Lances mountain train will squeeze Pog and frustrate him, Lance will then beat him in the tt’s. Lance also superior mentally than Pog.

Pogacar has beat Evenepoel in TTs.

Merckx and Pog won the same number of gt’s by then, Eddy was superior overall.
Lance won 7, Poggy only has 4. Lance had Pantani, Ullrich, Basso, Beloki. Pog only has one rival. There’s no comparison there

Armstrong destroyed second by 6 plus mins 5 out of the 7 years.

 

[Charlyghoul]

Pogacar has beat Evenepoel in TTs.


Armstrong destroyed second by 6 plus mins 5 out of the 7 years.

Shows the quality and mental determination of the man. To beat an atg climber in Pantani, an all round beast like Ullrich, a multiple gt winner in Basso. Today’s tours can’t compare. Hell, Beloki is forgot about and he is above everyone bar Vingo.
Heras and Azevedo will bully the UAE boys on the mountains, Armstrong will turn and look Pog in the eye but have time to wag his finger at him before he powers away

 

[Cookster15]

Armstrong will turn and look Pog in the eye but have time to wag his finger at him before he powers away

Just in case you are not joking, peak Armstrong would not be close to peak Pogacar (ie, 2024/2025 level).

Edit: Reason being is that Armstrong's best ascent of Alpe D"Huez was the 2004 Tour MTT when he recorded 37'36" which was still a minute slower than Pantani's record. Pogacar destroyed Pantani's EPO era best time on Plateau de Beille by 3.5 minutes.

Of course always difficult to make a valid comparison due to the variables like racing circumstances, wind, bikes and the stage beforehand but I have a hard time seeing how an argument can be made that peak Armstrong would be too good for the Pogacar we have seen since last year. Maybe pre 2024 Pog it would be close.

 

[BubbaChuck]

hilarius story about lance,everybody is talking he won,cause of epo unfair advanatage,lmao.never happened.but he faced hilarius comp and prepared 1 race all year.amd people say that impossible,lol.so in reality eddie has 2 max and lance 3.real streets know,lol.

 

[BubbaChuck]

or you can ask lance,who is better.no need to speculate or theory.ask him and hell tell you.lance knows,what pogacar is.

 

[Extinction]

Shows the quality and mental determination of the man. To beat an atg climber in Pantani, an all round beast like Ullrich, a multiple gt winner in Basso. Today’s tours can’t compare. Hell, Beloki is forgot about and he is above everyone bar Vingo.
Heras and Azevedo will bully the UAE boys on the mountains, Armstrong will turn and look Pog in the eye but have time to wag his finger at him before he powers away

Armstrong never beat Pantani in the mountains at his best, nor could he have, the mafia had to fix things for the American.

 

[Charlyghoul]

Armstrong never beat Pantani in the mountains at his best, nor could he have, the mafia had to fix things for the American.

The mafia? That’s the first I’m hearing of this

 

[Extinction]

The mafia? That’s the first I’m hearing of this

As with much in Italy, as elsewhere, the truth will never be known.

Trento prosecutor reopens the case on Pantani at the 1999 Giro

Organised crime from Campania allegedly intervened to prevent the 'pirate' from taking the pink jersey all the way to Milan. This is why Pantani, who was dominating the pink race, was allegedly controlled before the stage in Madonna di Campiglio

en.ilsole24ore.com

 

[dr.eve]

Couldn't get past the bolded. You do realize they are popular sports in the US, cycling is not and never will be. Folks don't understand it, it's a Euro thing, only Americans that ride seriously will follow it. Cycling gets no significant coverage and hence interest isn't generated and it gets no coverage because there is no interest. Your kidding yourself if you think American football has a broad following outside the US (beyond a handful of countries that have been totally dominated by US culture). By contrast, in the US many sports are followed by people who have never practiced them. Millions follow football and basketball because they are culturally relavent and socially important, at the local bars, weekend gatherings, etc. It's arrogant to say cycling is it's own problem, when Americans simply find the sport, if they've even heard of it, unappealing and alien. The problem is the average American is simply unable to appreciate European cycling, and no amount of money and marketing will change that. The first thing would have to be teaching probably the majority of them where to find say Belgium on a map or San Remo, then why riding at speed for six hours in say the Hell of the North (perhaps in the rain) or the Tour is as awesome a spectacle as the Super Bowl or the NBA Championships. Good luck with that one among Philistines. Cycling doesn't need to change to accomodate those for whom it has no cultural relavence, no sporting history. The UCI is bogged down in the morass of beuracracy and petty power struggles with teams granted, but the sport as it plays out annually is magnificent at its traditional core, from the first stage races, to the spring classics, grand tours, Worlds and autumn classics. It doesn't need tournaments or playoffs, which would only destroy the nature of cycling. What cycling needs to do is value its traditions better by supporting national venues that truely count and stop trying to take it all over the world in search of revenues, which only line the pockets of the promotors, while hurting races where viewership actually matters. Push to make the Tour not the overwhelming reason for investing in the sport. Give the teams a share of TV revenues, in exchange for requiring top riders to participate in a number of one-day races, stage races and Grand Tours of choice, ensuring viewer drawing battles among them throughout the year, not just in July. Above all it should immeadiately do away with or radically reform a points system that encourages negative racing.

Agreed, here in the Netherlands no one gives a cent about NHL, NBA, MLB, nascar et cetera. Oke the few that play basketball care about NBA to some extent etc. Like you mentioned Americans who have a racebike may follow euro cycling.

Most people here also find it hugely comical how Americans call a national title kind of a world Championship. We do not care really.

 

[Extinction]

Agreed, here in the Netherlands no one gives a cent about NHL, NBA, MLB, nascar et cetera. Oke the few that play basketball care about NBA to some extent etc. Like you mentioned Americans who have a racebike may follow euro cycling.

Most people here also find it hugely comical how Americans call a national title kind of a world Championship. We do not care really.

To the bolded, it shows how disconnected from the rest of the world the US is, which on the one hand demonstrates a base provincialism, on the other a ridiculous sense of grandeur.

 

[AlpRaid]

merckx zero competition,those hilarius tours are not worth

lol.

He competed against and beat 6 other TDF winners.

The real joke in terms of competition is Hinault.

Merckx also raced only 7. Pog is already at 6.

And Merckx did it with merely water, caffeine, a touch of cortisone, and…tobacco.

God knows what Pog is on.

The only real TDF champ is (the greatest of all time) Greg LeMond!!

Or Ocana who dropped Merckx by almost 9 mins on one mountain stage. And destroyed double-winner Thevenet by 15 mins when he finally won in 1973. No one has bettered that difference between 1st and 2nd since. And Merckx did it only in 1969 before the Blois accident forever limited his climbing.

 

[BubbaChuck]

so you are saying,if pog would have won tour by 20 minutes,he is goat.now he is biggest cheat ever,lmaoo.

 

[CleanCiclismo]

Here's a interview with Borut Fonda, who after graduating in fitness training from the Faculty of Sport and obtaining a master's degree in applied kinesiology, he completed his doctorate at the University of Birmingham in the field of biomechanics, motor control, and ergonomics in cycling.

Since 2019, he has been working in a laboratory in Radovljica, where, as part of his company Absolute Black, he combines theory and practice and collaborates with top and recreational cyclists, including numerous Slovenians from the world series, such as the world's number one cyclist Tadej Pogačar.

LINK to the whole interview

You are also known for your cycling innovations. Can you reveal whether you are preparing anything new?

At Absolute Black, we currently have almost a hundred patents, two of which are quite recent. One has just been approved – it concerns sensors on the pedals that teach cyclists how to pedal more efficiently. The product is not yet on the market, but we are well on our way. The other patent remains a secret for now.

There are a lot of individual development projects for individual cyclists. One of the latest is the development of new cycling shoes for Tadej Pogačar, which is being carried out in collaboration with his partner DMT. It is an approach that combines engineering and biomechanics – exactly what I do.

Tadej Pogačar is a regular customer at your laboratory. Judging by the photos online, your collaboration began even before his first victory in the Tour de France in 2020.

That's right, Tadej and I have been working together since 2019, when I had a three-year contract with the UAE Emirates team. Interestingly, his partner Urška Žigart came to our laboratory even earlier. I remember that the day after her visit, she traveled to Andorra, where Tadej won his first stage of the Vuelta.

The path to the UAE team was opened for me by the team's chief physician at the time, Jeroen Swart, who now also serves as performance manager. He is a physician and kinesiologist, and he invited me to assist with biomechanics. I then took over this area completely and remained with the team for three years.

As for Tadej, he was very satisfied with our services, so our collaboration is still ongoing. His manager has a very good philosophy, which he has also passed on to Tadej, namely that you work with people you are happy with, who you trust and who have been with you from the beginning, on a long-term basis. If something works, you don't change it.

 

[veganrob]

Jeroen Swart. "He just lost the fat".
Also when he brought Froome into the lab to prove he was clean the HR monitor conveniently didn't work.
He didn't test Froome prior to be cleans.

 

[E_F_]

Borat Fondu

 

[thetdog666]

motor not detectable by xray ? Christ are we really going down this road; better they not sell this tech to terrorist on airports than..... damn people do we all live on the same planet

Actually seen them "checking" for motors in the vuelta the other day and thought of you haha. Guy was taking pictures of bikes via an IPad as the bikes were outside the bus on a stand. Not exactly going to find much like that eh. More for show these "checks"

 

[Le breton]

Hi everybody, could you take the time to have good look at this 2020 paper and tell us what you think about it ?

Artificial Blood: The History and Current Perspectives of Blood Substitutes - PMC

Blood transfusions are one of the most common procedures performed in hospitalized patients. Yet, despite all of the measures taken to ensure the safety of the blood supply, there are known risks associated with transfusions, including infectious ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Ripper]

Borat Fondu

I feel a certain poster makes posts that seem like a used car ad ...

 

[Blobs]

motor not detectable by xray ? Christ are we really going down this road; better they not sell this tech to terrorist on airports than..... damn people do we all live on the same planet

Yes, the last thing you'd want a terrorist to bring onto a plane is a tiny electric motor.