Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Stablo]

Hahaha! The omerta is alive an well. I made a couple of actually reasonable questions on pogs Instagram about the level, all year a round top form and never getting tired. No insults, no curse words and just honest questions. The comments got removed fast by the UAE/pog socialmedia team. Feels like im done, enjoy the clownshow then humanity. Just wondering if the UCI or UAE get any money from me if I stick to streams? 😂trying not to fund this dictatorship sponsored clownshow anymore.

Heh my bad, i can actually see my comments now, it was just a clitch i think. It's not getting any attention thou.

 

[AmRacer]

Heh my bad, i can actually see my comments now, it was just a clitch i think. It's not getting any attention thou.

What's the best result?
1-2-1-2 or 4-1-DNS-1?

 

[Stablo]

What's the best result?
1-2-1-2 or 4-1-DNS-1?

Not sure im getting this, but some have gotten tens of likes and in X hundreds of views.

 

[AmRacer]

Not sure im getting this, but some have gotten tens of likes and in X hundreds of views.

What has that to do with anything? The results are Remco's and Tadej's.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I have been seeing the emptiness in his eyes too. Yeah the coming to goals celebrations still come from the memory, but after the race interviews he looks like a joyless robot. Even the after race interview yeasterday and this years Tour on many occasions. His happy when having fun on the bike, training with Urska, the team and friends, but it really looks like his feeling the robot-like expectations too much these days. Because of my work i actually have to be quite good in reading peoples emotions and how they feel. It's different on video than real life, but still it certainly looks like not everything is fine. I think the supercharging after 23/24 winter has taken it's toll.

I think you need to look up the word eisegesis.

 

[Stablo]

What has that to do with anything? The results are Remco's and Tadej's.

You were replying to my post about IG comments 😅so it seemed a bit weird.

 

[Stablo]

I think you need to look up the word eisegesis.

Maybe it's that, but now that it came up again and from another poster. He really doesn't look joyfull, but i guess you are right and we are stuck to this for another 5-10 years. The UCI and their anti-doping is surely not going to do anything.

 

[AmRacer]

You were replying to my post about IG comments 😅so it seemed a bit weird.

Still, who's results are better?

 

[Extinction]

This is the most worrying thing. There's a guy who's been unstoppable for five years, and for two years he's won every race from February to October, almost always with performances unseen even in the 1990s. He doesn't even stand on the pedals, he doesn't even struggle.
If journalists and the media aren't asking questions today, about these performances, these constant victories, when should they? When will some poor bastard win a half-stage at the TDF?
Let's realize that Froome was bombarded with questions; journalists wanted him to publish his power data in 2015.
At this point, science must make every effort, every effort to discover the trick. Every effort.

I'm not even bitter, because, worse, I'm disinterested. Sure, I'll watch the races, but there is no longer suspense. Nowadays, once he drops everyone from a long, long way out, I lose interest, half-watch, because cycling at his speed is boring, takes my eyes from the screen and I start doing other things. That Gianetti is the mastermind behind it only invites ennui, lethargy and ultimately resignation. I don't know, but this can't be the way to move the sport foreward. At some point, even cycling may get the message.

 

[Stablo]

Still, who's results are better?

From what races are those? I really don't think anyone in their right mind can compare pogs&Remcos results. I can admit Remco is already high in the all time list at 25years, but pog has had two seasons that only riders in the sixties can match and it's absurd&unbeliavable. That era the level of competition was totally different than know, when every tiny thing matters and there are hundreds of professionals.

 

[Notarobot]

The good thing is, most comments on social media are negative towards Pogacar. That's something that happened pretty recent, last year it was all praise the lord for Pogacar, or Pogi as they like to call their savior.

 

[AmRacer]

From what races are those? I really don't think anyone in their right mind can compare pogs&Remcos results. I can admit Remco is already high in the all time list at 25years, but pog has had two seasons that only riders in the sixties can match and it's absurd&unbeliavable. That era the level of competition was totally different than know, when every tiny thing matters and there are hundreds of professionals.

WC and EC 2025

 

[Stablo]

WC and EC 2025

Okey and the point was? Two TT:s and two roadraces. If pogsters results were those of Remcos from the past five years I wouldn't be questioning anything. Yeah well I would not like Gianetti,Matxin and the oil dictatorship anyway, but that's just my world view and the results would still be "beliavable".

For the sake of cycling, I am actually starting to hope that Redbull really gives you wings and the other teams would also up their antes. Any means neccessary if this is what UCI wants.

 

[AmRacer]

Okey and the point was? Two TT:s and two roadraces. If pogsters results were those of Remcos from the past five years I wouldn't be questioning anything. Yeah well I would not like Gianetti,Matxin and the oil dictatorship anyway, but that's just my world view and the results would still be "beliavable".

For the sake of cycling, I am actually starting to hope that Redbull really gives you wings and the other teams would also up their antes. Any means neccessary if this is what UCI wants.

The point is that Remco had better results. And as others have pointed out, Remco crashes a lot.

 

[bah]

Still, who's results are better?

All of a sudden the TT and RR are equivalent?

 

[AmRacer]

All of a sudden the TT and RR are equivalent?

No, read what I have posted here and in other threads. But 1-2-1-2 should be better than 4-1-DNS-1, rigth? Or are you saying Pogi's wins are so far more valued than Remco's seconds and his wins, Pogis's DNS doesn't count?

 

[yaco]

With this I have to totally disagree with. It wasn't this particular day or performance, but the way this one guy does anything he wants, when ever he wants in an endurance sport. I might be a bit biased, cause I like Remco because of his natural progression and ability. I would also turn against him if he started doing poggie kind of seasons, it is just not beliavable. And now matter what anyone tried to convince me about, I will never believe that pog is naturally more talented than Remco or even MDVP. It would have never happened, but if it was without Gianetti&Co this dominance, but nah never. In a endurance sport like cycling the pog-thing is not real in a modern highly professional peloton. We used to laugh at the Landis raid, Froome was bad, Contador was suspect often, but now something way! more unbeliavable is the new normal. I am just out of words anymore.

You are overlooking the obvious. Take out Pogacar and remco wins these two races solo and in convincing fashion.

 

[yaco]

Hahaha! The omerta is alive an well. I made a couple of actually reasonable questions on pogs Instagram about the level, all year a round top form and never getting tired. No insults, no curse words and just honest questions. The comments got removed fast by the UAE/pog socialmedia team. Feels like im done, enjoy the clownshow then humanity. Just wondering if the UCI or UAE get any money from me if I stick to streams? 😂trying not to fund this dictatorship sponsored clownshow anymore.

Do you seriously think your questions will be answered? Who would answer a DM from a random person?

 

[Stablo]

You are overlooking the obvious. Take out Pogacar and remco wins this two races solo and in convincing fashion.

Yes and it would be, if not fine, but still somewhat beliavable. He would still not been winning everything all year around on every freaking parcour and every race he enters. Well like the joke goes never go full *** , but im actually starting to hope the Redbull does that. They should have the means and resources for that. For me at least it would still be easier to live with Redbull dominating stuff, than UAE&Gianetti and Co.

 

[AmRacer]

Yes and it would be, if not fine, but still somewhat beliavable. He would still not been winning everything all year around on every freaking parcour and every race he enters. Well like the joke goes never go full *** , but im actually starting to hope the Redbull does that. They should have the means and resources for that. For me at least it would still be easier to live with Redbull dominating stuff, than UAE&Gianetti and Co.

If Remco had won EC and EC RR, he would be Olympic, WC and EC both RR and ITT champ. Not even Eddie could do that. So be happy Pogi fixed that.

 

[Stablo]

Do you seriously think your questions will be answered? Who would answer a DM from a random person?

Come on dude seriously! Just trying to keep the topic up even a bit, the journos are not doing anything these days, cause it's all cleanz apparently. Lol wasn't excpecting anything, but maybe if teddy sees them, it was worth my minutes. I don't want to be sounding like an old broken record player, but the fact is that I have been watching cycling since the 90s and nothing has ever been this clearly absurd bs, than what we are witnessing today. OT(Well have to also admit that the world in general is also more f'ed up than ever in my lifetime or at least since the Soviets collapsed.)

 

[Stablo]

If Remco had won EC and EC RR, he would be Olympic, WC and EC both RR and ITT champ. Not even Eddie could do that. So be happy Pogi fixed that.

Fine feel free to disagree. It never happened and it would still be very different from what we have seen from pogster the past years. Period.

I am not saying that Remco etc. are clean either, but the playing field on dope(normal or mechanical) is never even and it is 100% certain, that currently Gianetti&UAE are doing something the others can't/won't. I would bet my head on this.

 

[Cassirer]

No, read what I have posted here and in other threads. But 1-2-1-2 should be better than 4-1-DNS-1, rigth? Or are you saying Pogi's wins are so far more valued than Remco's seconds and his wins, Pogis's DNS doesn't count?

This argument fails on all accounts. Even if we ignore the random limitation to the latest WC/EC races, the implication that winning the two road races is worse than remcos results also seems absurd. Do you think pogi would like to trade for remcos WC/EC results? I don't

 

[AmRacer]

Fine feel free to disagree. It never happened and it would still be very different from what we have seen from pogster the past years. Period.

I am not saying that Remco etc. are clean either, but the playing field on dope(normal or mechanical) is never even and it is 100% certain, that currently Gianetti&UAE are doing something the others can't/won't. I would bet my head on this.

Yes, I agree. It would have been an amazing never heard of achievement.

 

[AmRacer]

This argument fails on all accounts. Even if we ignore the random limitation to the latest WC/EC races, the implication that winning the two road races is worse than remcos results also seems absurd. Do you think pogi would like to trade for remcos WC/EC results? I don't

Remco got second in both RR. It would have been different had he only get top 10. I do think ITT < RR, but winning ITT > 4th and DNS.