Tailwind Sport 2005

[BotanyBay]

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[sniper]

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[BotanyBay]

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[eleven]

Lance has only made one public comment on any issue to do with investigation (except to say it hasn't bothered him) since California in May and that was to try and distance himself from Tailwind as it was through Tailwind that the 'dope for USPS Treks' scheme was run.

If we can uncover the lie on a forum what do you think the Feds can find?

you clearly mean the alleged "dope for USPS Treks" scheme was run"

and in short order, that allegation will be found unprovable. All teams sell bikes, and the revenue is too fungible to attempt to create a cause and effect.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

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[Hugh Januss]

you clearly mean the alleged "dope for USPS Treks" scheme was run"

and in short order, that allegation will be found unprovable. All teams sell bikes, and the revenue is too fungible to attempt to create a cause and effect.

And clearly it's the only charge ever leveled against this crew so how could anybody ever give it any creedence.

 

[BotanyBay]

Silly American sports such as baseball and american football.

Or SOCCER?:

 

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[BotanyBay]

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[Francois the Postman]

Everyone, calm down NOW!

 

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[Susan Westemeyer]

Everybody calm down and get back on topic.

MZ hs been given a free all-expenses paid 48 hour vacation from the forum, in the hope that he will learn better manners.

Susan

 

[Dr. Maserati]

you clearly mean the alleged "dope for USPS Treks" scheme was run"

and in short order, that allegation will be found unprovable. All teams sell bikes, and the revenue is too fungible to attempt to create a cause and effect.

I clearly don't, Landis didn't allege it - he said it happened, it is up to you whether you believe him or not.

Not all teams sell their bikes, although many do - and if USPS/Tailwind were selling them legitimately then they would be able to account for them all.

But, remember what Robert Burns, Trek's general counsel said:

Occasionally, you'd see a bike on the Internet somewhere where it would surprise us," he said. "We didn't want to see that stuff getting sold on the market. It should be going to a better use than that."

And we are not talking small sums here:

"They sell the bikes online," Mr. Clinger said. "They can get $10,000 or $20,000, if the bike was ridden by Lance."

 

[Polish]

Landis is no more dishonest than Lance himself.
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High Praise indeed

.... and I believe lied by omission in the SCA testimony. When ask directly 'what is your relationship?' to say only that he is an athlete on the team is a serious omission .... but not really a smoking gun IYKWIM

Your Holiness, during SCA Lance said he was an athlete with an equity position in Tailwind. What is this "serious omission" you speak of?

I hope youve sent a copy of that to Juliet Macur

Ms Macur already knew this. She knew this when she asked Lance the question back in July. It is THE REASON she asked Lance the question in the first place. (Again, we discussed this in the forums back then.)

IIRC, back then there was a "leak" of info that the GJ investigation was not going after individual riders, but going after leaders and managers and muckymucks.

Juliet knew from the SCA testimony that Lance had an equity stake in Tailwind. So she asked about it. Great question btw.

Lance gave his "only a rider" spiel, and his lawyer had to clear up the statement soon after - which he did.

But anyway, TSF, what info should Dr M send to Juliet that she did not already know way back when?

 

[BotanyBay]

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Botany Bay: drop this right now or face a suspension.

Susan

 

[BotanyBay]

Not all teams sell their bikes, although many do - and if USPS/Tailwind were selling them legitimately then they would be able to account for them all.

That would be taxable income that should be reported to the IRS. They're a business. All revenue needs to be reported.

 

[DirtyWorks]

So, Where Are We?

The only thing the information at the top of the thread points out is some flagrant use of misinformation (lies to media) outside a court of Law.

Let's argue for a minute that Tailwind was a scheme to separate people from some of their money with no intent of ever having to show any kind of return to the same investors.
1. The legal system has few consequences for this misbehavior. Tailwind's principals variously characterize it as 'risky' and thus eliminate their liability. If it was me, no Series-7 (or whatever) license and no money, I'd be prosecuted with vigor. But Weisel and others have deep pockets and financial industry certifications.
2. Because there's practically no consequences, no one on the State's side will pursue it. On top of that, there's jurisdictional machinations that would make my head explode.
3. Let's kick it up to the Federal level and try to get the SEC's attention. No dice. They wouldn't touch Madoff after being repeatedly tipped off about the guy's fraud. The scale of the Tailwind fraud is microscopic in comparison.

I'm not opposed to pursuing the issue, but the violations have to be obvious and have serious penalties with lots of anonymous people in government signing off before anyone on the enforcement side will move.

It's clear there is an enormous amount of information out of Team Pharmstrong that is inconsistent and probably not true. But there's no consequences in the media for telling and retelling lies. None.

Today's lesson: Might make right. Again.

 

[Velocentric]

Wonder if this will get edited by the Mod?

I can't help but chuckle when I think of Lance saying this after the allegations broke:

"... if I walk away with one word to sum this all up - credibility. Floyd lost his credibility a long time ago."

And He thinks his is intact?

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Wonder if this will get edited by the Mod?

Nope!

Susan

 

[Francois the Postman]

We don't edit opinions, we moderate attitude. Don't get overly paranoid guys.

 

[The Hitch]

What country was the target for racism this time? was it spain again?

 

[BotanyBay]

Wonder if this will get edited by the Mod?

I can't help but chuckle when I think of Lance saying this after the allegations broke:

"... if I walk away with one word to sum this all up - credibility. Floyd lost his credibility a long time ago."

And He thinks his is intact?

That sentence was written in a conference room by employees of a PR firm. For a good 2-3 weeks, anyone involved in the media industry could spot the well-groomed statements used to react to Floyd's bombshell.

 

[MacRoadie]

We don't edit opinions, we moderate attitude. Don't get overly paranoid guys.

"You can take our attitude, but you'll never take our opinions!"


Just for you Francois: an American, raised in Australia, playing a Scotsman...