TDF Stage 14 - Sunday, July 18 2010, Revel - Ax-3 Domaines, 184 km

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Like in Mende?

Anyway, I don't like Andy Schlecks after and pre-race comments. He seems like an arrogant douche bag

I'm actually rooting for Contador and also hoping Menchov will pass him as well.

 

[El Pistolero]

And you, sir...how old are you?

You should just have stopped after the first paragraph, which actually made sense.

Actually, Andy Schleck said in an interview that he wont take any risks on descends and he asked his brother to call his mother not to worry. I call him a baby because his nickname is Baby Schleck in my country. If you wont take risks in descends and when you're not good in descends in the first place then why shouldn't Contador use that weakness against him?

No bull**** at all, you should listen to some of his(AS) interviews more. Savodelli has proven that you can take valuable seconds in a descend to win a Grand Tour. So tell me, how is it bull****?

Anything to back it up instead of just saying it's bull****. Come with good arguments, then I won't mind if you call me a fool.

 

[henryg]

Schleck can not win following Contador's wheel. Contador waited for AS to attack, when he didn't he tested him to see if he was in trouble. When he realized Andy was OK and planning on shadowing him the whole stage he upped the ante by letting 2 riders who can beat Schleck in the TT go up the road. Then he dared him not to lead.

If this game of chicken continues it's quite possible Schleck might not just loose the yellow he might loose the podium as well.

 

[theyoungest]

Like in Mende?

Anyway, I don't like Andy Schlecks after and pre-race comments. He seems like an arrogant douche bag

I'm actually rooting for Contador and also hoping Menchov will pass him as well.

Ah come on, he has to tell the same story over and over again, I'm sure he just wants to spice it up a little. Cut the guy some slack.

That being said, he should be very thankful to Spartacus for saving his and Saxo's Tour in the Ardennes. Andy might as well have lost 10 minutes there, and there wouldn't be any talk of him possibly winning the Tour.

 

[El Pistolero]

yeah, andy's the fool.

fyi: maillot means jersey. jaune means yellow.

Everyone makes mistakes, but I wasn't calling Andy a fool because of his language skills now was I ;-)

I'm not French and I have no interest in ever learning that language.

 

[nia O'Malley]

But the 25-year old Schleck didn’t give in; though he is leading the Tour for the first time, he doesn’t lack racing savvy.

“On the second to last climb, his whole team surrounded him and I could see they wanted to give the impression that he wasn’t feeling good today,” said Schleck in a post-race press conference. “But I knew it wasn’t like that — they wanted me to attack.”
Contador's tactics

Contador’s more conspicuous challenges came on the ascent to the Pyrénéan ski area of Ax-3 Domaines, where he tried rapid acceleration and sudden braking in an attempt to drop the Luxembourger.

Schleck responded each time, though he never mounted an attack himself.

“I told him, ‘If you go too deep today, it could be dangerous for tomorrow,’” said Saxo Bank team manager Bjarne Riis.

 

[Mellow Velo]

AS is just an arrogant ***. He basically said after the stage that he couldn't care less about Menchov-Sanchez attacks, and was only marking Contador. Apparently, he was just playing poker today.

There can be only one answer for this.
Schlekette has got a "loaner" from Cancellara for the ITT.

 

[hrotha]

There can be only one answer for this.
Schlekette has got a "loaner" from Cancellara for the ITT.

Fränk successfully studied the feasibility of a loan at the TdS after all.

 

[Kazistuta]

Actually, Andy Schleck said in an interview that he wont take any risks on descends and he asked his brother to call his mother not to worry. I call him a baby because his nickname is Baby Schleck in my country. If you wont take risks in descends and when you're not good in descends in the first place then why shouldn't Contador use that weakness against him?

No bull**** at all, you should listen to some of his(AS) interviews more. Savodelli has proven that you can take valuable seconds in a descend to win a Grand Tour. So tell me, how is it bull****?

Anything to back it up instead of just saying it's bull****. Come with good arguments, then I won't mind if you call me a fool.

Of course one should try and exploit a rivals weaknesses. But no way AS's descending skills suck, they might just not be as good as LuLu Sanchez, Samu et.al.

And the "baby" part is just ridiculous. Who seriously calls him baby on a serious, not-demeaning note? On this forum the term "Schlecklet" is used to distingiush him from his brother.

And why bring his mother into this? Obviously it's said with a glimpse of humor involved. You using Schlecklets mother in a flame-debate is like dragging Cuddles' dog, Bassos sister, Cav's ex-gf or anyone not race-related in the debate - so off-topic and devaluating the discussion. Might be fun to do, but still says more about the poster than the topic itself.

 

[El Pistolero]

Of course one should try and exploit a rivals weaknesses. But no way AS's descending skills suck, they might just not be as good as LuLu Sanchez, Samu et.al.

And the "baby" part is just ridiculous. Who seriously calls him baby on a serious, not-demeaning note? On this forum the term "Schlecklet" is used to distingiush him from his brother. And I called him a fool because the maillot JAUNE shouldn't be fetching water bottles and food(I've seen him do that multiple times already this Tour). If that's not a foolish thing to do as leader of the GC then I don't know what is in the cycling world.

And why bring his mother into this? Obviously it's said with a glimpse of humor involved. You using Schlecklets mother in a flame-debate is like dragging Cuddles' dog, Bassos sister, Cav's ex-gf or anyone not race-related in the debate - so off-topic and devaluating the discussion. Might be fun to do, but still says more about the poster than the topic itself.

I've seen people call him Shrek a lot here too. I'd rather be called a baby then an ugly green ogre, but that's just me. They call him Baby Schleck here because it refers to his youth compared to his older brother.

Armstrong always says "kid" to Schleck by the way. And since you mention Cadel. Ever since that comment I think he's mentally unstable. Especially the sound of his voice when he said that creeped me out.

And I brought his mother in this argument because he openly told one of his weaknesses(he did really let his brother call his mother, he wasn't smiling while saying that). I think Contador should exploit that weakness. If he told his brother to call his dog not to worry then I would have brought the dog in this argument and not his mother.

And well, I still stink Schleck sucks at descending. The descend of Madeleine speaks for it self(and other descends, just giving you the most recent one I've seen)

 

[Kazistuta]

It seemed like you mistakenly put part of your answer into my quote, but I caught it anyway, baby pistol

Agreed, the part with the bottle fetching was pretty foolish - I guess he felt good, saw Fuglsang was at his limits and wanted to keep him in the peloton. Without success it showed....

My personal opinion is just that if you want to make an argument, do it reasoned and not belittling things/persons involved. Often it makes for funnier reading to do the latter, but not in this case sadly. Just my humble opinion..

And I guess we never will see eye to eye reg. Andys descending skills. I for instance thought he looked very much in control descending from Palhieres today.

 

[El Pistolero]

It seemed like you mistakenly put part of your answer into my quote, but I caught it anyway, baby pistol

Agreed, the part with the bottle fetching was pretty foolish - I guess he felt good, saw Fuglsang was at his limits and wanted to keep him in the peloton. Without success it showed....

My personal opinion is just that if you want to make an argument, do it reasoned and not belittling things/persons involved. Often it makes for funnier reading to do the latter, but not in this case sadly. Just my humble opinion..

And I guess we never will see eye to eye reg. Andys descending skills. I for instance thought he looked very much in control descending from Palhieres today.

I shall call him Schlecklet then from now on Didn't really mean it as an insult anyway.

But I think it's not an overstatement to say that Contador descends better then Schlecklet and he can gain some valuable seconds on descends(like tommorow's stage)

I compare everyone to Savoldelli when it comes to descending >_> I really enjoyed him winning his 2 Giro's lol.

And yeah, it seems I did accidentally put some of my post in your quote lol.

Todays descend was über slow by the way.

 

[Kazistuta]

Todays descend was über slow by the way.

Last comment from me, I promise

The big group lost around 20 seconds to Riblon, who seemed to go all out during the descent. That doesn't imply "über slow" speed to me, even though it didn't look as if the speedy descenders gave it a real go today.

 

[hrotha]

It might be true that Contador is a better descender than Andy, but I don't think the difference is big enough for the risk of trying to drop Andy in a descent to be worth it.

 

[El Pistolero]

It might be true that Contador is a better descender than Andy, but I don't think the difference is big enough for the risk of trying to drop Andy in a descent to be worth it.

Not even when the finish is on a descent(I think tomorrow's stage)? I honestly think it's worth the shot and it makes for good television as well.

 

[rhubroma]

I'm not sure what we will learn tomorrow with the technical descent.

If Andy's worried about his mother or not.

 

[dolophonic]

Like in Mende?

Anyway, I don't like Andy Schlecks after and pre-race comments. He seems like an arrogant douche bag

I'm actually rooting for Contador and also hoping Menchov will pass him as well.

Exactly. . . .

 

[La Pandera]

I've seen little to suggest Shrek is incapable of following so-called explosive attacks. In fact, he seems to change gears at will on any climb.

"Explosive attacks" on short steep climbs is what I said. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[La Pandera]

Ah come on, he has to tell the same story over and over again, I'm sure he just wants to spice it up a little. Cut the guy some slack.

That being said, he should be very thankful to Spartacus for saving his and Saxo's Tour in the Ardennes. Andy might as well have lost 10 minutes there, and there wouldn't be any talk of him possibly winning the Tour.

A point that has been long forgotten especially by AS. He would be in the same position he was in at the base of Alpe d'Huez in 2008: 10+ minutes down except Riis wouldn't have an available backup plan with big brother on the sidelines and no one of Sastre's caliber to save the day.

 

[La Pandera]

Of course one should try and exploit a rivals weaknesses. But no way AS's descending skills suck, they might just not be as good as LuLu Sanchez, Samu et.al.

And the "baby" part is just ridiculous. Who seriously calls him baby on a serious, not-demeaning note? On this forum the term "Schlecklet" is used to distingiush him from his brother.

And why bring his mother into this? Obviously it's said with a glimpse of humor involved. You using Schlecklets mother in a flame-debate is like dragging Cuddles' dog, Bassos sister, Cav's ex-gf or anyone not race-related in the debate - so off-topic and devaluating the discussion. Might be fun to do, but still says more about the poster than the topic itself.

It wouldn't be used as ammo in an argument if it hadn't been introduced thru the media by Andy himself in an effort to appear charming and gregarious.

 

[roundabout]

A point that has been long forgotten especially by AS. He would be in the same position he was in at the base of Alpe d'Huez in 2008: 10+ minutes down except Riis wouldn't have an available backup plan with big brother on the sidelines and no one of Sastre's caliber to save the day.

Yeah, too bad that Cancellara held the peloton at gunpoint and there's an actual competition for the yellow jersey.

 

[The Hitch]

For the bend them till they break, or surge followed by recovery debate, it is well known that you waste vastly more energy to get a slightly higher speed.

You dont see 100m runners doing the marathon by sprinting, then resting, sprinting then resting. It is far more energy efficient to find your own pace and go for it, and slipstream is negligable on these mountains.

 

[ScottyMuser]

A point that has been long forgotten especially by AS. He would be in the same position he was in at the base of Alpe d'Huez in 2008: 10+ minutes down except Riis wouldn't have an available backup plan with big brother on the sidelines and no one of Sastre's caliber to save the day.

right, we've been over thies time and again, so let me repeat:
"IT IS COMMON COURTESY to wait for GC contenders early on in an early stage if they have fallen off because not of poor bike handling but atrocious wind/rain/oil conditions on the road. Doing so, Cancellara not only waited for Schleck, but a whole bunch of other riders, including IIRC Gesink, both sanchez, Wiggins, Evanms, Basso, VDB the list goes on (genuinely, only Kloden and Contador and maybe Menchov were in the group when Cancellara slowed it down to wait for eveeryone, and everyone bar VDV, Taarame, and Cunego of the semi-GC contenders were able to get back on. Just because LA in the 2003 went and won the tour because he didn't wait for Jan doesn't mean its a good thing to do. And the only reason Schleck was down on time was becauswe a large bunch of people went down int he oil, him included, then when he got up it was incredibly difficult to stay on with the rain and oil, and he like others fell again. Those were not usual conditions - heck I would say flat out they were the hardest conditions for a stage in the TDF I gave seen in the past 5 years.

 

[ScottyMuser]

Also, you could call Andy Non-Naked, or Half-naked, as his advert had him wearing more clothes

 

[Libertine Seguros]

LuLu, Menchov and Gesink were with Cancellara, as I remember the discussion was about whether it was the right thing to do and José Iván Gutiérrez was one of the people behind the slowdown; this was surprising to some as, having Sánchez with him, Caisse were one of the teams that stood to gain.

Just think, if it weren't for that, the teams classification would be all but sealed...