TDF Stage 9 - Tuesday, July 13 2010, Morzine-Avoriaz - Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne, 204 k

[jaylew]

Anyone have a good quality feed? I am not bothered about it being in english...

http://www.fromsport.com/v-0/0/148/v-14923.html

English

 

[Jamsque]

Cunego and Taaramae have bridged to the lead group on the descent.

I'm quite enjoying this new, aggressive, Piti-free Caisse team. Shame they probably won't be around next year.

 

[sportzchick]

http://www.fromsport.com/v-0/0/148/v-14923.html

English

Thanks for that

 

[Carl0880]

Caisse D'Epargne going big today... watch out!

Cunego in teh breakaway yay!!!

Similiar situation as the Giro, with the exception of a much smaller breakaway. Caisse doesn't have a true contender overall, they have a rider who is fringe top 10 capable. So they put 3 people in the breakaway, one being the said rider, and hte other 2 will work their butts off to get him as much time as possible.

Considering that Arroyo got second place, not bad stretegy. Its a no risk situation. If they flame out, well Caisse had no overall contender anyways, but at least they tried. The rewards are substantial. They don't have 50 riders, but 12-15 riders isn't bad.

I expect Astana to take over soon from BMC with the Giro in memory.

 

[Moondance]

4 minutes for the break now, and increasing pretty steadily.

How much longer until Astana, Liquigas, Rabobank maybe start to take over?

 

[duncan thomson]

honest question
if bmc do not have a strong team , why not let caisse get away and then say to saxo/ astana, you get them. this would put pressure on saxo in particular as evans is likely to gain time in these stages but is surely better off letting the others take the pace.
OK, I assume this is wrong but I dont see why
cheers
duncan

 

[Scirea]

Similiar situation as the Giro, with the exception of a much smaller breakaway. Caisse doesn't have a true contender overall, they have a rider who is fringe top 10 capable. So they put 3 people in the breakaway, one being the said rider, and hte other 2 will work their butts off to get him as much time as possible.

Considering that Arroyo got second place, not bad stretegy. Its a no risk situation. If they flame out, well Caisse had no overall contender anyways, but at least they tried. The rewards are substantial. They don't have 50 riders, but 12-15 riders isn't bad.

I expect Astana to take over soon from BMC with the Giro in memory.

Why would day? The difference is under 5 minutes, Luis-Leon is not even the virtual leader right now. Astana won't take over before the Madeleine imo.

 

[koolkinks]

The breakaway has some very good riders like LLS, Taarramae,Casar, Jens and the little prince. 3 Caisse riders also help with the tempo and Guttirez is a very good IITer so the engine will be there. Moreau will be super motiovated to do sign off his last Tour in style. The question is how much of a gap will they need in the start of ascent of the Madeleine to win the stage? I am sure Astana will force a huge tempo like Sunday to cause difficulties for some of the GC contenders. All in all a fascinating day of stage racing.

 

[kukiniloa]

Bmc

Glad BMC have things under control. Keep a steady tempo boys.

I thought it was just for show? I'm sure they'll start going backwards.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Why not let them get a big lead? LLS is not a threat really and if he got yellow it would take the pressure off bmc. Even if evans felt he needed to keep yellow. The madeleine is where possibly teams like saxo, radioshack, astana or liquigas would take over on the climbs.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I thought it was just for show? I'm sure they'll start going backwards.

Read quote above.

 

[Ryaguas]

I expect Astana to take over soon from BMC with the Giro in memory.

nah forget it... Astana will take the lead in the foot of La Col de la Medeleine... I previously said that AC is now thinking in the pyrenees and he won't Astana to work but if someone is struggling in La Col des Saisies they will put the hammer to work early knowing that Vino can descent VERY WELL...

4 minutes for the break now, and increasing pretty steadily.

How much longer until Astana, Liquigas, Rabobank maybe start to take over?

No no... Saxo is the one who has to work maybe Rabobank as well but all of them are going to wait for la Madeleine...

Why would day? The difference is under 5 minutes, Luis-Leon is not even the virtual leader right now. Astana won't take over before the Madeleine imo.

I agreed but also is the case that AC is going to save the team for the pyrenees... tomorrow there is not a rest day so every team is going to save their matches for the pyrenees...

 

[Lyds97]

honest question
if bmc do not have a strong team , why not let caisse get away and then say to saxo/ astana, you get them. this would put pressure on saxo in particular as evans is likely to gain time in these stages but is surely better off letting the others take the pace.
OK, I assume this is wrong but I dont see why
cheers
duncan

Hi Duncan,

It's one of those matters which is dictated more by peloton etiquette than anything else. Traditionally the job of controlling the race/chasing down the breakaway falls to the yellow jersey's team, and when this doesn't happen, e.g. Team Sky at Qatar(?) it tends to cause bad feeling among the other riders. Of course if it proves that BMC aren't up to the job it would be sensible for teams like Astana and Saxo to help out as it's in their best interest to stop riders like LL Sanchez gaining too much time.

Hope that helps

 

[auscyclefan94]

Hi Duncan,

It's one of those matters which is dictated more by peloton etiquette than anything else. Traditionally the job of controlling the race/chasing down the breakaway falls to the yellow jersey's team, and when this doesn't happen, e.g. Team Sky at Qatar(?) it tends to cause bad feeling among the other riders. Of course if it proves that BMC aren't up to the job it would be sensible for teams like Astana and Saxo to help out as it's in their best interest to stop riders like LL Sanchez gaining too much time.

Hope that helps

I thought we all knew that they are no saxo bank? Seriously, any team who expects them to be riding on the front the whole day is kidding themselves when it comes to BMC. We are a young team who lacks an extra one or two climbers. It is not great we don't have frank here as he can climb quite well.

 

[duncan thomson]

thanks for reply
have watched listened and read for some time but the unwritten rules of cycle racing are arcane and quite unlike most other sports.
world cup good contrast
if i was bmc ds, i would not want them working hard for too long, too early. evans at risk of being protected now but isolated later on madeleine....we shall see.
fascinating day, another one

duncan

 

[TRDean]

I thought we all knew that they are no saxo bank? Seriously, any team who expects them to be riding on the front the whole day is kidding themselves when it comes to BMC. We are a young team who lacks an extra one or two climbers. It is not great we don't have frank here as he can climb quite well.

ACF...I didn't know you were a member of the team? By the way...cudos to Cadel...nice to see him in yellow!

 

[The Hitch]

so radioshack dont send anyone in a break once again. Typical JB. No excitement

 

[Bumeington]

I thought we all knew that they are no saxo bank? Seriously, any team who expects them to be riding on the front the whole day is kidding themselves when it comes to BMC. We are a young team who lacks an extra one or two climbers. It is not great we don't have frank here as he can climb quite well.

Haha, again with "we".

Do you think you will be able to stay with Evans on the madeleine, maybe lead him out before he sprints to the stage win?

 

[auscyclefan94]

ACF...I didn't know you were a member of the team? By the way...cudos to Cadel...nice to see him in yellow!

It feels like it when you stalk someone you adore.

 

[auscyclefan94]

so radioshack dont send anyone in a break once again. Typical JB. No excitement

He is a master tactician!

 

[Lyds97]

thanks for reply
have watched listened and read for some time but the unwritten rules of cycle racing are arcane and quite unlike most other sports.
world cup good contrast
if i was bmc ds, i would not want them working hard for too long, too early. evans at risk of being protected now but isolated later on madeleine....we shall see.
fascinating day, another one

duncan

No problem, happy to help

 

[Francois the Postman]

Excellent, Eurosport commentator just saying that LLS is almost the virtual GC leader, "but the 5 mins gap means nothing as the peloton is still going uphill and they are going downhill". Sigh....

 

[Carl0880]

so radioshack dont send anyone in a break once again. Typical JB. No excitement

They tried with popovych, but he wasn't strongg enough to go with the second breakaway group to bridge to the first.

 

[eljimberino]

If you can read lips, when Evans presses his little mike in his jersey, his always begins by uttering three letters: ACF.

For example:
"ACF, where is big George?"
Don't worry Cadel, honey, he's on his way back to the front with water, honey.

"ACF, is my lion still safely in the team car?"

"ACF, I love you."

 

[BroDeal]

so radioshack dont send anyone in a break once again. Typical JB. No excitement

I think Horner would have been well suited for a break today. He would dearly love to win a TdF stage. Sad.

The reality is that for all the BS about Bruyneel being a master tactician, he has a p!ss poor record of winning anything other than long multi-day races of attrition where the most doped rider wins. He does not appear to know how to have his team hunt for stage wins like other teams.