Team Ineos Discussion thread

[Mayomaniac]

On the other hand Dani Martinez looks clearly worse than he did during the spring. He can improve in the high mountains, but right now he isn't exactly impressive.

 

[Netserk]

On the other hand Dani Martinez looks clearly worse than he did during the spring. He can improve in the high mountains, but right now he isn't exactly impressive.

Agreed, I really expected more from him today.

 

[JRanton]

On the other hand Dani Martinez looks clearly worse than he did during the spring. He can improve in the high mountains, but right now he isn't exactly impressive.

True. Think the cobbles stage took a lot out of him. I’m expecting him to be better in the second week.

 

[Fergoose]

Ineos are the only team left with a 1-2 punch option with Yates and Geraint. I doubt it can remotely challenge for overall victory, but maybe for 2nd? The problem is TJV will likely neutralise anything they try out of respect for Geraint's ITT potential and in doing so, will likely protect 2nd for Pogacar.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I expected nothing really from Ineos after Martinez got sick. Matter of time for Pidcock and he cracked today, Yates has never thought an aggressive thought and Thomas is content with 3rd and has a great ITT.

These two will prolly just be there or thereabouts and do nothing but to ride for 3rd and 5th. I dont really blame them, but I hope to be surprised

 

[Wyndbrook]

I expected nothing really from Ineos after Martinez got sick. Matter of time for Pidcock and he cracked today, Yates has never thought an aggressive thought and Thomas is content with 3rd and has a great ITT.

These two will prolly just be there or thereabouts and do nothing but to ride for 3rd and 5th. I dont really blame them, but I hope to be surprised

Perhaps suggesting Yates has never thought of being aggressive is little Disengdnous.

 

[Rollthedice]

I expected nothing really from Ineos after Martinez got sick. Matter of time for Pidcock and he cracked today, Yates has never thought an aggressive thought and Thomas is content with 3rd and has a great ITT.

These two will prolly just be there or thereabouts and do nothing but to ride for 3rd and 5th. I dont really blame them, but I hope to be surprised

Nothing they can do. They are riding against Sky.

 

[Bolder]

I expected nothing really from Ineos after Martinez got sick. Matter of time for Pidcock and he cracked today, Yates has never thought an aggressive thought and Thomas is content with 3rd and has a great ITT.

These two will prolly just be there or thereabouts and do nothing but to ride for 3rd and 5th. I dont really blame them, but I hope to be surprised

Today was full of surprises. I would not bet that the GC is anywhere near being settled.

 

[YavorD]

Funny how Ineos were supposed to dominate this decade as well when they snapped the"top talents" Bernal, Sivakov..Dunbar...
Apparently they missed on the 2 biggest ones..

For the record, how do you rate peak Bernal compared to peak Vingegaard?

 

[Tonton]

Funny how Ineos were supposed to dominate this decade as well when they snapped the"top talents" Bernal, Sivakov..Dunbar...
Apparently they missed on the 2 biggest ones..

For the record, how do you rate peak Bernal compared to peak Vingegaard?

For the record, if peak Bernal was at the '19 TdF, Pinot was better than him, Thibaut dropped Egan like a wet sock two times in a row after taking more time against the clock before that. Stages 13 to 15. True.

To me the question is: how do you rate Vingo today compared to LeMond '86? Same finish, same stakes, we can compare the field and argue both ways.

Ineos thread it is, and as a team, they are well managed and play their cards well. Better than 3rf in Paris would be great when you go back and look at the starting list. Thomas (who was also dropped by PInot on several occasions in '19) is there. Not sexy and groovy. Is Adam going to turn into Simon?

Ineos is in a good place.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Yeah, they look fine. Won the most iconic mtf of the race with Pidcock and Thomas is on track for 3rd on the gc.
Ganna is improving after his crash on stage 2 and having back pain.
Yesterday he was part of the 35 riders in the main bunch on top of CdF and was leading the bunch into Alpe d'Huez.

 

[BigCoward]

For the record, if peak Bernal was at the '19 TdF, Pinot was better than him, Thibaut dropped Egan like a wet sock two times in a row after taking more time against the clock before that. Stages 13 to 15. True.

It was 8 and 18 seconds, trifling amounts of time. Bernal was clearly getting better as the race went on.

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

What Viviani did yesterday was just one level above most performances I‘ve ever seen.

7th in a 207k EC road race in the afternoon, and Gold in the EC track race the same evening.

That is just unbelieveable. One cannot praise him enough for this day, yesterday.

Of course, this also demonstrates a rather poor level of the current European track elite.

 

[Escarabajo]

For the record, if peak Bernal was at the '19 TdF, Pinot was better than him, Thibaut dropped Egan like a wet sock two times in a row after taking more time against the clock before that. Stages 13 to 15. True.

To me the question is: how do you rate Vingo today compared to LeMond '86? Same finish, same stakes, we can compare the field and argue both ways.

Ineos thread it is, and as a team, they are well managed and play their cards well. Better than 3rf in Paris would be great when you go back and look at the starting list. Thomas (who was also dropped by PInot on several occasions in '19) is there. Not sexy and groovy. Is Adam going to turn into Simon?

Ineos is in a good place.

For the love of God, give it up!!!!
You can not hang on to this thought for the rest of your life.
And people love to make these kind of assessments in this forum everyday. Cycling does not work like that. You know it. If I knew in 2010 and 2007 that grupetto Froome and Grupetto Thomas were going to win the Tour I would be in las Vegas winning millions. Times change, riders change, programs change, teams change, etc.

 

[Red Rick]

What Viviani did yesterday was just one level above most performances I‘ve ever seen.

7th in a 207k EC road race in the afternoon, and Gold in the EC track race the same evening.

That is just unbelieveable. One cannot praise him enough for this day, yesterday.

Of course, this also demonstrates a rather poor level of the current European track elite.

I think it just shows how the road race had a meme parcours and how track is a meme disciplin.

 

[ice&fire]

What Viviani did yesterday was just one level above most performances I‘ve ever seen.

7th in a 207k EC road race in the afternoon, and Gold in the EC track race the same evening.

That is just unbelieveable. One cannot praise him enough for this day, yesterday.

Of course, this also demonstrates a rather poor level of the current European track elite.

The weak field theory is compatible with general relativity and holds both outdoors and indoors.

 

[Mayomaniac]

I think it just shows how the road race had a meme parcours and how track is a meme disciplin.

TP, IP and Madison at least are imo not meme disciplines, same with the old (proper) omnium where Viviani has beaten Cav and Gaviria in Rio 2016.

 

[Red Rick]

TP, IP and Madison at least are imo not meme disciplines, same with the old (proper) omnium where Viviani has beaten Cav and Gaviria in Rio 2016.

I do rate the TP and IP to some degree, but I've also been very surprised how poorly some other top IP riders have done on the road

 

[Mayomaniac]

I do rate the TP and IP to some degree, but I've also been very surprised how poorly some other top IP riders have done on the road

Yeah, I guess the set-up is different and racing in a full peloton is very different from the IP. The stess and the bike handling skills needed are different and endurance is much more of a factor.
The one who could have been really good was Bobridge, but Arthritis and some of his other problems made his career really short, he could only perform in the heat.

 

[Red Rick]

Yeah, I guess the set-up is different and racing in a full peloton is very different from the IP. The stess and the bike handling skills needed are different and endurance is much more of a factor.
The one who could have been really good was Bobridge, but Arthritis and some of his other problems made his career really short, he could only perform in the heat.

Maybe it's like hill climbing vs GC racing, but I've often been surprised how comparatively bad IPers are in prologues.

 

[Wyndbrook]

Maybe it's like hill climbing vs GC racing, but I've often been surprised how comparatively bad IPers are in prologues.

Boardman was perhaps the exception.

 

[Tonton]

For the love of God, give it up!!!!
You can not hang on to this thought for the rest of your life.
And people love to make these kind of assessments in this forum everyday. Cycling does not work like that. You know it. If I knew in 2010 and 2007 that grupetto Froome and Grupetto Thomas were going to win the Tour I would be in las Vegas winning millions. Times change, riders change, programs change, teams change, etc.

Yep, you should have read this post on 7/13 (after the Granon stage) when I wrote it and put some $ on Geraint to show (3rd) at the TdF .

If I was unclear, I consider Bernal, Thomas, and also Carapaz as "bottom of the podium" riders at a TdF against the new era with Pog and Vingo, even Rog, who hasn't been lucky as of late, but is a heck of a rider. They rule the politics of who goes where to win a GT. I more than agree: things change.

But little did I know when I posted, after the Granon stage, but the very next day, on Bastille Day, Thomas Pidcock triumphed atop AdH, cemented himself as "super rider", one who can win anything, anywhere, road, no road, up or down...he's my favorite Ineos rider by far.

...I bet , no pun intended, that it's more or less Roglic vs. Carapaz for this Vuelta, there's a super nice plot for 3-8, and Pinot will win a stage. And I'll be happy . All eyes will be on Remco anyway!

 

[StryderHells]

Boardman was perhaps the exception.

Wiggins and Brad McGee were also pretty good.

 

[RedheadDane]

For the love of God, give it up!!!!
You can not hang on to this thought for the rest of your life.

I agree. @Tonton; why would you go around making yourself - and me! - depressed like that? No point speculating in what might have been.

Meanwhile, Ineos is sending the same number of GT winners to Denmark, as they're sending to Spain The Netherlands.

 

[Tonton]

I agree. @Tonton; why would you go around making yourself - and me! - depressed like that? No point speculating in what might have been.

Meanwhile, Ineos is sending the same number of GT winners to Denmark, as they're sending to Spain The Netherlands.

I know . And there're still many Luis Ocaña fans who re-hash the '71 Tour. Or people in Troyes (and me) who saw Pascal Simon win in '83.

Ineos has a good team for La Vuelta. If Roglic is at only 90%, Carapaz has a decent shot. They're the best run team in pro cycling, minimal loss in the TTT is very possible. After that, looking at each stage, again, each finish, again, and I think that the route sets up nicely for King Richard.

Yes, "King": "Little" is already taken by the Australian in the team. And I hope that Porte gets a win before he takes a bow. He has 33 pro wins so far, like you know who . And Richie has some big ones including the GC in all of the best one-week races. Can he get one more, which was his objective for the season? I think that he can.