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Team Ineos Discussion thread

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Leinster said:
2013 on Ax 3 Domaines? When Porte caught and dropped Quintana after Froome had already caught and dropped him? Porte blew up the next day because he blew up, not because it was Sky's tactic to let him drift down the standings. Thomas the last couple of years is more an idea of what Sky expect from their 2nd in command; 2 15th places is better than any of Porte's GC finishes as a Sky rider.
Porte didn't really have an off-day back then, IMO. The rest of the Sky doms had been dropped early on. Every single one of them.

It was an all-out war. Froome only had LRP left to slave for him, which led to him getting dropped.

The way Porte chased afterwards was still pretty impressive. He wasn't bad at all. He does seem to have more problems with a super hard race than any other GC contender, though.
 
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A long, long way to go in this race, obviously, but it
is comforting to know that the hard lessons learned
at Tirreno-Adriatico regarding acceptable/suitable
tyres for TT wheels appear to have paid off in the
best possible way today. :)
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
So, appearently, those strips on their jerseys are possibly forbidden, as aerodynamic enhancements on the jersey are forbidden. According to some FDJ guy they can gain up to 15/20 seconds in this TT...


Kwiatkowski and Froome also wore longer boots than anyone else today. Didn't see Thomas so couldn't tell for him
 
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Leinster said:
2013 on Ax 3 Domaines? When Porte caught and dropped Quintana after Froome had already caught and dropped him? Porte blew up the next day because he blew up, not because it was Sky's tactic to let him drift down the standings. Thomas the last couple of years is more an idea of what Sky expect from their 2nd in command; 2 15th places is better than any of Porte's GC finishes as a Sky rider.

Yeah, um, Clinic talk for this one.

Sky were largely spoken of here, as having gotten a tap on the shoulder.

Tim Kerrison said pre Tour that year, that Sky could 1-2 the Tour with Froome and Porte. They were 1-2.

Tim Kerrison is still working the numbers game for Sky.

They know what Porte can in theory pull out. He did it last year. Minus his 1'53" stage 2 time loss for a silly flat, he was second overall.

Sky were more than likely asked to make the 2012 look believable.

Go back and check the threads from that year and after. They all said exactly this.
 
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You get told in the other forum that 3kg in bike weight is negligible when looking at climbing times but a couple of dots on a skin-suit is 20 seconds over the space of 16 minutes ???
 
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deValtos said:
You get told in the other forum that 3kg in bike weight is negligible when looking at climbing times but a couple of dots on a skin-suit is 20 seconds over the space of 16 minutes ???

Who said that!

3kg in bike weight, just doesn't happen! Not anymore. Not for a long time.

They all stick close to the limit. They use to glue weights under the seat to make minimum weight limit.

These blokes make sure their starting body weight is also, spot on. 1kg might be okay at the start of the race...but nothing over 2kg surely would occur, without team medical support asking questions for the extra kgs.

Their shirts made them faster...give me a break. Whoever said this erroneous misconception, needs to be silenced.

More marginal gains nonsense.

Sky don't have a patent on mystical clothing. Only Robbie McEwen has that, and he used Harry Potter's cloak of invisibility! I know, because Phil Liggett said he did!! Ask Phil, Robbie used it to take his commentary job full time!!
 
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deValtos said:
You get told in the other forum that 3kg in bike weight is negligible when looking at climbing times but a couple of dots on a skin-suit is 20 seconds over the space of 16 minutes ???
divide both the values by 10 and maybe you have a realistic estimate. Obree showed that human ingenuity triumphed over any fancy aerodynamic improvements of the bike with millions of research dollars. Bradley Wiggins saga has by now proven that the marginal gains is completely fabricated and a marketing ploy that too in his own words.
 
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18-Valve. (pithy) said:
Dekker_Tifosi said:
So, appearently, those strips on their jerseys are possibly forbidden, as aerodynamic enhancements on the jersey are forbidden. According to some FDJ guy they can gain up to 15/20 seconds in this TT...
Presumably the skinsuits were okayed before the start, though, right?

controversy around the white jersey , at the start at Düsseldorf, commissioners of Uci: everything is in order
https://twitter.com/cyclismactu/status/881445168527945728
 
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18-Valve. (pithy) said:
Dekker_Tifosi said:
So, appearently, those strips on their jerseys are possibly forbidden, as aerodynamic enhancements on the jersey are forbidden. According to some FDJ guy they can gain up to 15/20 seconds in this TT...
Presumably the skinsuits were okayed before the start, though, right?

I'm not saying the bumps don't help but if you added up the claims from equipment manufacturers over the years for percentage gains and put them all together on one rider and bike he should be able to soft pedal along at 100 kph
 
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Gloin22 said:
Oliver said:
Ricco' said:
What's up with Danny Van Poppel?

He started the year with good shape but after the Australian micro-season he is nowhere to be seen...

He's only 23, but is been at the top tier for so many years that it seems he's been at this level forever and his progression seems stalled at the moment.

Not the right team for him I guess. Same for Viviani.

Viviani loves it there

That's why he will say goodbye to Sky on 1 august? Right, good decision.
 
So there is some question about Sky's vortex skin suits. I wonder if rain on the surface has any effect on the vortex or any fabric texture for that matter. I'm OK with dimples in the fabric, but the vortex generator appears to be added under the fabric (which is against the rules that have been posted so far).

EDIT: I'm not Sky hating here, this isn't their bad, they are just developing things to shave seconds. The UCI just needs to be very clear about rules and enforcement...oh wait, what am I saying?!
 
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jmdirt said:
So there is some question about Sky's vortex skin suits. I wonder if rain on the surface has any effect on the vortex or any fabric texture for that matter. I'm OK with dimples in the fabric, but the vortex generator appears to be added under the fabric (which is against the rules that have been posted so far).

EDIT: I'm not Sky hating here, this isn't their bad, they are just developing things to shave seconds. The UCI just needs to be very clear about rules and enforcement...oh wait, what am I saying?!

OK I have to ask: what is the problem exactly with 'Sky hating' ? Have they become so powerful that it is now politically incorrect to hate on Sky !!?? Jeeesus
This team is absolutely destroying cycling bit by bit, with their petty circumvolutions around the rules, and no one seems to give a damn. I am so over this ***.
 
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TommyGun said:
jmdirt said:
So there is some question about Sky's vortex skin suits. I wonder if rain on the surface has any effect on the vortex or any fabric texture for that matter. I'm OK with dimples in the fabric, but the vortex generator appears to be added under the fabric (which is against the rules that have been posted so far).

EDIT: I'm not Sky hating here, this isn't their bad, they are just developing things to shave seconds. The UCI just needs to be very clear about rules and enforcement...oh wait, what am I saying?!

OK I have to ask: what is the problem exactly with 'Sky hating' ? Have they become so powerful that it is now politically incorrect to hate on Sky !!?? Jeeesus
This team is absolutely destroying cycling bit by bit, with their petty circumvolutions around the rules, and no one seems to give a damn. I am so over this ****.


well nobody seems to give a damn to Movistar too......

" It’s interesting how things happen in May and almost nobody notices. When it happens in July it becomes a hot topic, add Team Sky it gets hotter still. This time the magic material in question may have saved a few seconds but it’s neither new nor unique to Team Sky, Movistar do too and perhaps other teams do as well if we cared to zoom in on their clothing. The rule that regulates this is ambiguous. Maybe by the time the race reaches Marseille we’ll see the answer by looking at who wears what"

http://inrng.com/2017/07/team-sky-new-skinsuit/
 
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TommyGun said:
jmdirt said:
So there is some question about Sky's vortex skin suits. I wonder if rain on the surface has any effect on the vortex or any fabric texture for that matter. I'm OK with dimples in the fabric, but the vortex generator appears to be added under the fabric (which is against the rules that have been posted so far).

EDIT: I'm not Sky hating here, this isn't their bad, they are just developing things to shave seconds. The UCI just needs to be very clear about rules and enforcement...oh wait, what am I saying?!

OK I have to ask: what is the problem exactly with 'Sky hating' ? Have they become so powerful that it is now politically incorrect to hate on Sky !!?? Jeeesus
This team is absolutely destroying cycling bit by bit, with their petty circumvolutions around the rules, and no one seems to give a damn. I am so over this ****.
You are welcome to hate them, my disclaimer is to point out that this is on the UCI not Sky IMO. Many teams use dimpled fabric (I have a five year old MTB skin suit that is dimpled), but the question here is, is it OK to add a layer under the fabric to create the dimples? IMO, they aren't circumventing anything, unless they are paying off the UCI which again, is on the UCI.
 
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TommyGun said:
OK I have to ask: what is the problem exactly with 'Sky hating' ? Have they become so powerful that it is now politically incorrect to hate on Sky !!?? Jeeesus
This team is absolutely destroying cycling bit by bit, with their petty circumvolutions around the rules, and no one seems to give a damn. I am so over this ****.

Lol what world are you living in?

Everything and everyone has been heavily anti-sky for the last few years.