Team Ineos Discussion thread

[Parker]

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Has there been a better domestique this Tour than Kwiatkowski?

quite possible the Tour hasn't known a better domestique since froome himself 2012 times

Froome in 2012 didn't have to do a great deal. Porte and Rogers did most of the damage

That team was probably the most talented Grand Tour team of all time. 1996 Telekom team and 1986 La Vie Claire come close.

Astana 2009 has a case.

Yes. They would be worth considering.

 

[PremierAndrew]

If Thomas hadn't crashed out, it's possible Sky would have 3 guys in the top six

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: Re:

Has there been a better domestique this Tour than Kwiatkowski?

quite possible the Tour hasn't known a better domestique since froome himself 2012 times

Froome in 2012 didn't have to do a great deal. Porte and Rogers did most of the damage

That team was probably the most talented Grand Tour team of all time. 1996 Telekom team and 1986 La Vie Claire come close.

Astana 2009 has a case.

Yes. They would be worth considering.

Big difference is that 2009 Astana had two leaders. So they were an extremely talented squad but the support for one leader wasn't quite as perfect as for wiggins in 2012

 

[Parker]

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Big difference is that 2009 Astana had two leaders. So they were an extremely talented squad but the support for one leader wasn't quite as perfect as for wiggins in 2012

I was more thinking more about the sum of the talent of the individuals - Rogers, Cavendish, EBH have palmares largely irrelevant to the Tour itself (as well as Porte & Froome).

 

[Robert5091]

Kwiatkowski's agent should be asking Sky for more money. He's had to do Thomas' job as well as his own.

 

[portugal11]

2009 astana wasn't even a team... but they had 5 riders who were able to finish inside the top5.

 

[jsem94]

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2009 astana wasn't even a team... but they had 5 riders who were able to finish inside the top5.

It was one of the craziest GT teams ever assembled.

 

[MatParker117]

Ever been a more adaptable team at the Tour?

 

[silvergrenade]

Whats up with Sergio Henao?
Hasn't done much these past few weeks..
He is much much better than this..

 

[silvergrenade]

Re:

Ever been a more adaptable team at the Tour?

What do you mean by more adaptable?

 

[MatParker117]

Re: Re:

Ever been a more adaptable team at the Tour?

What do you mean by more adaptable?

Adjusting to the differing demands of the route year by year.

 

[Brullnux]

Re: Re:

Ever been a more adaptable team at the Tour?

What do you mean by more adaptable?

Adjusting to the differing demands of the route year by year.

USPS. 7 in a row. Or Banesto.

 

[TMP402]

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Kwiatkowski's agent should be asking Sky for more money. He's had to do Thomas' job as well as his own.

Well he may get more money - apparently he wants to re-sign.

 

[Billie]

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Whats up with Sergio Henao?
Hasn't done much these past few weeks..
He is much much better than this..

no idea why him and Nieve were constantly at the front in the first week

 

[Robert5091]

Team Sky rule the Tour de France again but will remain unloved
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/jul/21/team-sky-tour-de-france-dave-brailsford

The UK's The Guardian's Richard Williams on why Sky is despised.

 

[bigcog]

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Team Sky rule the Tour de France again but will remain unloved
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/jul/21/team-sky-tour-de-france-dave-brailsford

The UK's The Guardian's Richard Williams on why Sky is despised.

The guardian has an agenda, and this article is poor, some the vitriol aimed at Froome in it is pathetic.

 

[bigcog]

Is Nieve rumoured to be leaving Sky for Movistar (along with Linda) ?

 

[deValtos]

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Is Nieve rumoured to be leaving Sky for Movistar (along with Linda) ?

Nieve signed for Orica btw. People behind the scenes have confirmed it already. It's done.

As with regards to Froome/Sky, Froome is actually very popular over the world, Sky maybe less so in any non-uk country.

 

[TMP402]

Re:

Team Sky rule the Tour de France again but will remain unloved
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/jul/21/team-sky-tour-de-france-dave-brailsford

The UK's The Guardian's Richard Williams on why Sky is despised.

The Millwall of cycling.

 

[bigcog]

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Is Nieve rumoured to be leaving Sky for Movistar (along with Linda) ?

Nieve signed for Orica btw. People behind the scenes have confirmed it already. It's done.

As with regards to Froome/Sky, Froome is actually very popular over the world, Sky maybe less so in any non-uk country.

Orica, didn't see that coming. Great rider, hope he does well there.

 

[Poursuivant]

Re: Re:

Team Sky rule the Tour de France again but will remain unloved
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/jul/21/team-sky-tour-de-france-dave-brailsford

The UK's The Guardian's Richard Williams on why Sky is despised.

The Millwall of cycling.

Millwall don't win.

 

[Brullnux]

Re: Re:

Team Sky rule the Tour de France again but will remain unloved
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/jul/21/team-sky-tour-de-france-dave-brailsford

The UK's The Guardian's Richard Williams on why Sky is despised.

The guardian has an agenda, and this article is poor, some the vitriol aimed at Froome in it is pathetic.

Agenda? Not being blindly nationalistic at every corner? Nevertheless, the editorial bias does tend to disappear with regards to sports, in any newspaper. Look at the daily mail: they were the main instigators in the Sky jiffy bag case, i.e something potentially incriminating against a British team, the symbol of the patriotic Olympic success of previous years. Perhaps it was an attack on their commercial rival, but even so if the daily mail's editorial bias was in use for sports, that article would not have been published. Besides, the graun has plenty Sky/Froome puff pieces, and you will find them more to your liking.

 

[Poursuivant]

When you are relying on the working class hating, Fascist supporting, xenophobic, pro tax avoiding, racist, unashamedly Tory, (posting pictures of 14 year olds in bikinis), Daily Fail, you lose the moral high ground. Even to that old reptile Murdoch. Ok maybe not as bad as him, but they're all cut from the same cloth. Mutants.

 

[TMP402]

Re: Re:

Team Sky rule the Tour de France again but will remain unloved
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/jul/21/team-sky-tour-de-france-dave-brailsford

The UK's The Guardian's Richard Williams on why Sky is despised.

The Millwall of cycling.

Millwall don't win.

Touché.

 

[Brullnux]

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When you are relying on the working class hating, Fascist supporting, xenophobic, pro tax avoiding, racist, unashamedly Tory, (posting pictures of 14 year olds in bikinis), Daily Fail, you lose the moral high ground. Even to that old reptile Murdoch. Ok maybe not as bad as him, but they're all cut from the same cloth. Mutants.

My point was that I (usually) prefer to separate sports reporting and news reporting because I feel they are not subject to the same editorial standards. You can check the politics thread for my thoughts on the daily mail