Team Ineos Discussion thread

[Poursuivant]

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When you are relying on the working class hating, Fascist supporting, xenophobic, pro tax avoiding, racist, unashamedly Tory, (posting pictures of 14 year olds in bikinis), Daily Fail, you lose the moral high ground. Even to that old reptile Murdoch. Ok maybe not as bad as him, but they're all cut from the same cloth. Mutants.

My point was that I (usually) prefer to separate sports reporting and news reporting because I feel they are not subject to the same editorial standards. You can check the politics thread for my thoughts on the daily mail

Fair play to you.

But the whole anti sky thing bores the nipples off me. Yes they strangle races, every single poster on here knew they'd do that. So why isn't there a plan to combat it? Let's wait and see how Froome is in the mountains? Ffs, he is an elite climber you nuggets. Froome hasn't had to put in ONE attack, he could have just followed wheels all TDF. On a TDF with 37 km of TT, when he clearly hasn't been at his best, that is madness.

 

[oldcrank]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

The lads held on to the Yellow Numbers in pretty
spectacular fashion today. That means everbody
is on the podium in Paris!!

 

[MatParker117]

What a team

 

[silvergrenade]

With all the stress of a 3 week Tour, coming in as favourites, then the Landa situation...
Everything was handled very professionally..Top job by the staff as well as the team.
Amazing is a small word for such a team. Chapeau!

 

[Jagartrott]

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With all the stress of a 3 week Tour, coming in as favourites, then the Landa situation...
Everything was handled very professionally..Top job by the staff as well as the team.
Amazing is a small word for such a team. Chapeau!

They have by far the biggest budget and the biggest focus on the Tour. This gives them the opportunity to field several riders as domestiques that would be leaders in any other team.

Why then do you think it's amazing they managed to be dominant as a team in this Tour?

 

[Der Effe]

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Team Sky rule the Tour de France again but will remain unloved
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/jul/21/team-sky-tour-de-france-dave-brailsford

The UK's The Guardian's Richard Williams on why Sky is despised.

Sky embodies everything that's wrong with the West nowadays. Ruthless mercenaries being paid by Murdoch. When you think of it, it's much like the people who run Britain. Tory sc*m on bicycles.

 

[silvergrenade]

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With all the stress of a 3 week Tour, coming in as favourites, then the Landa situation...
Everything was handled very professionally..Top job by the staff as well as the team.
Amazing is a small word for such a team. Chapeau!

They have by far the biggest budget and the biggest focus on the Tour. This gives them the opportunity to field several riders as domestiques that would be leaders in any other team.

Why then do you think it's amazing they managed to be dominant as a team in this Tour?

Katusha has a similar budget..
BMC is close too.
AG2R is 1/3rd of what Skys budget is and was arguagly the second strongest team.
Budget alone doesnt explain everything. They have the talent as well as motivation(Both internal and external) which makes them as dominant as they are.
Would be interesting to see the team budgets in 2012, 2013. They dominated then too. Were they number 1 on the list then?

 

[Jagartrott]

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Katusha has a similar budget..
BMC is close too.
AG2R is 1/3rd of what Skys budget is and was arguagly the second strongest team.
Budget alone doesnt explain everything. They have the talent as well as motivation(Both internal and external) which makes them as dominant as they are.
Would be interesting to see the team budgets in 2012, 2013. They dominated then too. Were they number 1 on the list then?

Katusha doesn't target the Tour (and wastes a lot of money), BMC had Porte crashing out. Both also have a budget that is 10-15% lower than Sky's, that's 2-3 very strong domestiques. Sky has always had the power of (pretty dirty, IMO) money behind them AND lives for the Tour and little else. QuickStep has half the budget yet is top of the UCI ranking (and won 5 stages during this Tour).

 

[silvergrenade]

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Katusha has a similar budget..
BMC is close too.
AG2R is 1/3rd of what Skys budget is and was arguagly the second strongest team.
Budget alone doesnt explain everything. They have the talent as well as motivation(Both internal and external) which makes them as dominant as they are.
Would be interesting to see the team budgets in 2012, 2013. They dominated then too. Were they number 1 on the list then?

Katusha doesn't target the Tour (and wastes a lot of money), BMC had Porte crashing out. Both also have a budget that is 10-15% lower than Sky's, that's 2-3 very strong domestiques. Sky has always had the power of (pretty dirty, IMO) money behind them AND lives for the Tour and little else. QuickStep has half the budget yet is top of the UCI ranking (and won 5 stages during this Tour).

1. What does Katusha target?
If they waste money its not Skys fault.
2. BMC
If Porte crashed out, its not Skys fault.
3. Quickstep: Won 5 stages; which exemplifies my point that just having a huge budget doesnt mean you'll necessarily do well.

Dont get me wrong; I agree that money solves 90% of your problems but not all of them.

 

[Jagartrott]

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't call the dominance of the richest team in the race they target a mile above every other race 'amazing'. Their permonance is along the lines of expectations. And speaking as a fan that has no special preference for any particular rider, their dominance does not make the Tour very exciting.

 

[silvergrenade]

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All I'm saying is that I wouldn't call the dominance of the richest team in the race they target a mile above every other race 'amazing'. Their permonance is along the lines of expectations. And speaking as a fan that has no special preference for any particular rider, their dominance does not make the Tour very exciting.

This I can agree on.
But Its also down to other teams not being good enough or having so much bad luck. Bardet had a chance. He should have gone all in. Ofc its hindsight but Froome having to attack instead of the other way around would have made it more fun.
Plus the route. Worst route ever.

 

[Billie]

They made a mistake having Henao and Nieve ride in the front all day on the flat stages in the first week. Henao was of no use at all this race.

 

[oldcrank]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

It's still 50 weeks away, but I'd bet Tim and Sir Dave and other
members of the Team SKY brain trust have already had some
discussions about the 35km TTT next July 9th in Cholet.

 

[Vasilis]

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They made a mistake having Henao and Nieve ride in the front all day on the flat stages in the first week. Henao was of no use at all this race.

They didn't have to ride on the front in the first week at all, because they were all sprint stages and then to La Planche des Belles Filles BMC rode all day. Indeed Henao sucked, but not because they wasted him on the flat.

 

[Billie]

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They made a mistake having Henao and Nieve ride in the front all day on the flat stages in the first week. Henao was of no use at all this race.

They didn't have to ride on the front in the first week at all, because they were all sprint stages and then to La Planche des Belles Filles BMC rode all day. Indeed Henao sucked, but not because they wasted him on the flat.

Vermote and De Gendt mostly rode in front of them yes but they still rode in the first 10 in the wind.

 

[bigcog]

Brailsford appears to think Froome has 1 or 2 seasons left at the top, hence the 2 year extension I guess, and thinks he can get 5 or maybe even more. Wonder what Sky's plans are after that.

 

[TomLPC]

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Brailsford appears to think Froome has 1 or 2 seasons left at the top, hence the 2 year extension I guess, and thinks he can get 5 or maybe even more. Wonder what Sky's plans are after that.

With landa going to Movistar, Nairo perhaps

 

[RedheadDane]

Look who claimed the Iron Throne.

 

[wouterkaas]

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Look who claimed the Iron Throne.

Michael Snow

 

[YavorD]

Do you know guys what happens with Inxausti ? Is there any chance to see him in any race?

 

[oldcrank]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

It's still 50 weeks away, but I'd bet Tim and Sir Dave and other
members of the Team SKY brain trust have already had some
discussions about the 35km TTT next July 9th in Cholet.

The talk of Jonathan Castroviejo moving to Team SKY makes
sense with a TTT in the 2018 Tour and Team SKY's apparent
focus on the TTT at the 2019 Yorkshire World Champs.

 

[Taxus4a]

GB needs another team, that team just with british riderw has a high potential: Froome,Thomas, Kennaugh,..

But I hope with Landa out that potential could be lower.
Team SKy was good for cycling in some ways, but now is a problem.

 

[hazaran]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

It's still 50 weeks away, but I'd bet Tim and Sir Dave and other
members of the Team SKY brain trust have already had some
discussions about the 35km TTT next July 9th in Cholet.

The talk of Jonathan Castroviejo moving to Team SKY makes
sense with a TTT in the 2018 Tour and Team SKY's apparent
focus on the TTT at the 2019 Yorkshire World Champs.

Wonder if they could use Dowsett.. seems like low budget British Watts

 

[oldcrank]

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GB needs another team, that team just with british riderw has a high potential: Froome,Thomas, Kennaugh,..

But I hope with Landa out that potential could be lower.
Team SKy was good for cycling in some ways, but now is a problem.

Have you heard anything about Castroviejo's plans for the future?

 

[oldcrank]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

It's still 50 weeks away, but I'd bet Tim and Sir Dave and other
members of the Team SKY brain trust have already had some
discussions about the 35km TTT next July 9th in Cholet.

The talk of Jonathan Castroviejo moving to Team SKY makes
sense with a TTT in the 2018 Tour and Team SKY's apparent
focus on the TTT at the 2019 Yorkshire World Champs.

Wonder if they could use Dowsett.. seems like low budget British Watts

If Alex wants to defend his Commonwealth Games ITT title next April
on the Gold Coast, I think Team SKY might one of the few teams that
would try to accommodate such a program. But I'm thinking there will
be a number of Aussies targeting that Gold Medal, too.