and of course with the firepower team sky has they don't need to be worried about their chances for the gc with Froome
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Really, just edit your own post if you want to add something, instead of quadruple posting.telencefalus said:in the end what i want to say is that team sky could not sacrifice their talent in order to help Froome for two reasons
1) Froome don't need too much assistence
2) Their talents are waisted wasted and it's a pity Moscon could have won Yesterday tt if not for Froome
Try to use breaks or consider writing less, because else it might come across as spamming and I am confident that's not your intention given your enthusiasm on the boards in the past days.telencefalus said:but then it's a too long post and it's not even easy to read it
telencefalus said:Are you kidding it's very important for the legacy of a cycling teamspalco said:telencefalus said:and btw i don't know why they don't go for team classification at la vuelta , they are second at the moment behind astana , but they have the potential to win the team classification , so why don't go for it and leave it to astana?
Nobody gives a **** about the team classification.
this is your opinion , but have to say that Dave B slams movistar in 2015 saying that they care more of team classification that bring quintana in yellow in Parisfantomas said:telencefalus said:Are you kidding it's very important for the legacy of a cycling teamspalco said:telencefalus said:and btw i don't know why they don't go for team classification at la vuelta , they are second at the moment behind astana , but they have the potential to win the team classification , so why don't go for it and leave it to astana?
Nobody gives a **** about the team classification.
No, it's not. Not in the slightest.
Poursuivant said:I reckon Froome's Vuelta team was stronger that his Tour team, at least in the mountains.
huge said:It's almost unfair...
Poursuivant said:I reckon Froome's Vuelta team was stronger that his Tour team, at least in the mountains.
TMP402 said:Poursuivant said:I reckon Froome's Vuelta team was stronger that his Tour team, at least in the mountains.
It's funny, yes, Froome's team is strong and often the strongest on paper at the Tour at this Vuelta, but he rarely has everything go to plan. Thomas inevitably crashes or gets attempted-murdered by Barguil, and at least one of their team goes AWOL for an entire GT (Koenig and Kennaugh 2015 Tour, Henao 2017 Tour).
This Vuelta, you rarely saw Moscon do a long pull, then Lopez, then Rosa, then Nieve, then Poels, then Froome attack, which is the classic Skytrain tactic. Instead Moscon was, like Kwiatkowski at the Tour, performing better in the mountains than he was probably supposed to, Nieve and Poels essentially swapped their level after the second rest day (as you would expect when one did the Tour and the other hadn't), and they never had all of Nieve, Lopez, Rosa and Poels with Froome at the same time - which meant Moscon needed to be better than expected at climbing and maybe the Vuelta would have gone differently if he hadn't been. Two of the true climbers were always dropped when it mattered.
I suppose I'm trying to say, Sky throw 8 great helpers at their teams. The 2-3 flat/rouleur guys rarely put a foot wrong, but the 5-6 climbers are rarely all good at the same time.
1. you'd think Sky with all their alleged sports science would work out to have Poels AND Nieve AND Rosa AND Lopez being at their best level during the same three weeks.
2. if they do ever crack that formula imagine how scary they'll be.
movingtarget said:Poursuivant said:I reckon Froome's Vuelta team was stronger that his Tour team, at least in the mountains.
Yes that's probably right. Landa was the standout in the Tour while in the Vuelta, Sky was more consistent in the mountains.
TMP402 said:Poursuivant said:I reckon Froome's Vuelta team was stronger that his Tour team, at least in the mountains.
It's funny, yes, Froome's team is strong and often the strongest on paper at the Tour at this Vuelta, but he rarely has everything go to plan. Thomas inevitably crashes or gets attempted-murdered by Barguil, and at least one of their team goes AWOL for an entire GT (Koenig and Kennaugh 2015 Tour, Henao 2017 Tour).
This Vuelta, you rarely saw Moscon do a long pull, then Lopez, then Rosa, then Nieve, then Poels, then Froome attack, which is the classic Skytrain tactic. Instead Moscon was, like Kwiatkowski at the Tour, performing better in the mountains than he was probably supposed to, Nieve and Poels essentially swapped their level after the second rest day (as you would expect when one did the Tour and the other hadn't), and they never had all of Nieve, Lopez, Rosa and Poels with Froome at the same time - which meant Moscon needed to be better than expected at climbing and maybe the Vuelta would have gone differently if he hadn't been. Two of the true climbers were always dropped when it mattered.
I suppose I'm trying to say, Sky throw 8 great helpers at their teams. The 2-3 flat/rouleur guys rarely put a foot wrong, but the 5-6 climbers are rarely all good at the same time.
1. you'd think Sky with all their alleged sports science would work out to have Poels AND Nieve AND Rosa AND Lopez being at their best level during the same three weeks.
2. if they do ever crack that formula imagine how scary they'll be.
Inquitus said:TMP402 said:Poursuivant said:I reckon Froome's Vuelta team was stronger that his Tour team, at least in the mountains.
It's funny, yes, Froome's team is strong and often the strongest on paper at the Tour at this Vuelta, but he rarely has everything go to plan. Thomas inevitably crashes or gets attempted-murdered by Barguil, and at least one of their team goes AWOL for an entire GT (Koenig and Kennaugh 2015 Tour, Henao 2017 Tour).
This Vuelta, you rarely saw Moscon do a long pull, then Lopez, then Rosa, then Nieve, then Poels, then Froome attack, which is the classic Skytrain tactic. Instead Moscon was, like Kwiatkowski at the Tour, performing better in the mountains than he was probably supposed to, Nieve and Poels essentially swapped their level after the second rest day (as you would expect when one did the Tour and the other hadn't), and they never had all of Nieve, Lopez, Rosa and Poels with Froome at the same time - which meant Moscon needed to be better than expected at climbing and maybe the Vuelta would have gone differently if he hadn't been. Two of the true climbers were always dropped when it mattered.
I suppose I'm trying to say, Sky throw 8 great helpers at their teams. The 2-3 flat/rouleur guys rarely put a foot wrong, but the 5-6 climbers are rarely all good at the same time.
1. you'd think Sky with all their alleged sports science would work out to have Poels AND Nieve AND Rosa AND Lopez being at their best level during the same three weeks.
2. if they do ever crack that formula imagine how scary they'll be.
Poels must have been there all day everyday given his 6th on the GC, no?
b.broadhurst said:They had Froome, Poels, Nieve, Moscon, Rosa and Lopez all together today in a group of 13 so I'm pretty sure they are all good here. Only Pellizzotti, Nibali, Zakarin, Kelderman, Woods, Kruijswijk and Carapaz were left. That is incredible strength if you ask me.
When has he not been a good climber?Nirvana said:Moscon 13th today in the hardest MTF of the race.
Are you still convinced that he's not suddenly turned in a climber?
Before this summer he has never showed climbing skills in the mountains.Squire said:When has he not been a good climber?Nirvana said:Moscon 13th today in the hardest MTF of the race.
Are you still convinced that he's not suddenly turned in a climber?