Team Ineos Discussion thread

[Dekker_Tifosi]

just what is going on here.. Kwiatkowski also looks really week. Suddenly nowhere in AGR. Henao also not convincing

edit: and Poels being Poels (always bad in classics except 1 LBL and 1 FW)

 

[Valv.Piti]

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just what is going on here.. Kwiatkowski also looks really week. Suddenly nowhere in AGR. Henao also not convincing

edit: and Poels being Poels (always bad in classics except 1 LBL and 1 FW)

Has been unlucky this year. Poels and Bernal has been flying, but crashed. And Kwito couldn't replicate his insane 2017 shape

They are super reliant on Poels in the Giro, I think. Do you know how good he is at this point?

 

[Red Rick]

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just what is going on here.. Kwiatkowski also looks really week. Suddenly nowhere in AGR. Henao also not convincing

edit: and Poels being Poels (always bad in classics except 1 LBL and 1 FW)

Has been unlucky this year. Poels and Bernal has been flying, but crashed. And Kwito couldn't replicate his insane 2017 shape

They are super reliant on Poels in the Giro, I think. Do you know how good he is at this point?

Schrödinger's Poels.

He's either ridiculously good or ridiculously bad. He's both at the same time until we decide to measure it.

I don't know. His base should be super small so I expect him to be terrible in the first week and then be amazeballs in the 3rd week.

 

[Breh]

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Kwiatkowski is just as inconsistent as ever. He was very good in Tirreno despite not being the designated leader.
For all we know he'll be the one to break Valverde's reign in Huy after being entirely anonymous in de Ronde and AGR.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Kwiatkowski is just as inconsistent as ever. He was very good in Tirreno despite not being the designated leader.
For all we know he'll be the one to break Valverde's reign in Huy after being entirely anonymous in de Ronde and AGR.

Nope, thats not gonna happen. Kwito isn't great at those type of climbs/races. Much better chances in Liege.

 

[rick james]

what the hell is up with Henao ?

 

[Angliru]

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what the hell is up with Henao ?

You're the Sky aficionado. You're supposed be hitting us up with all the inside info on their riders.

 

[CTQ]

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what the hell is up with Henao ?

he crashed

Sergio went down at the bottom of the Mur de Huy ahead of the penultimate climb. He didn't hurt himself but he came to a complete stop, so he had to expend some energy to get back which wasn't ideal and his brake was rubbing slightly afterwards because someone hit his bike.
Read more at https://www.teamsky.com/#oPOp05pQXz3jPwZF.99

 

[Bardamu]

No top 10 for Sky in:

-Strade Bianche
-Milan Sanremo
-Gent Wevelgem
-Tour of Flanders
-Paris Roubaix
-Amstel Gold Race
-Flèche Wallone

They have been quite shite lately.

 

[Jagartrott]

Their classics strategy (including preparation) seems to be terrible.
Such a waste of talent.

 

[CTQ]

Maybe it’s time to sign a new DS for the classics

 

[Krokro]

Sky has been indeed awful this classics season.

Despite Kwiatkowski (Algarve and T-A GC), De la Cruz (Andalucia and Paris-Nice), Thomas (1 victory at Algarve plus a good consistency on the few races he has entered) and pre-crash Poels (andalucia and Paris-Nice as well), they have barely shown nothing this year.

I'm of course not taking into consideration the minor victories < than HC.
Their first rider in the WT ranking is Kwiato at 18th spot and they are exactly at the middle of the pack in terms of WT team ranking. Of course, with the GTs coming, they will eventually climb the ladder. But, when you have a look at their classic campaign, it has been fairly weak.

It's like they gamble every winter to know if Kwiato is gonna be a classic specialist or a one-week stage racer. The only real hope I see in that team, besides Kwiato huge talent, is G. that I really like. He is often unfortunate but I like his skillset a lot.

Like Jagartrott said, this team is more often a waste of talents and that's one reason why I can't like Sky outside a very few riders.

Anyway, the dawg is gonna nuke them all at Giro and TDF. The sadest part is that until now, the Giro has been the best GT by far to me. This edition has a potential to be really great, I just hope skyborgs don't kill the only one GT really worth watching..

 

[Poursuivant]

It’s going to be interesting this Giro: first time I can remember that Froome goes into a GT to win, without being the best GC rider when it comes to TT. In other words, he will have to drop Dumoulin, and very likely more than once

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

Yes, indeed, they are defeated all the time in classics.
What I think, they sacrified the classics for Giro and TdF. That's their obvious goals in 2018.
None of them is in his best shape. GT/Moscon/ Poels preparing for Tour, Froome's targeting middle of May, the squad from Tour de Alps plus ie Sergio Henao/Rowe/Stannard with growing shape should be enough for Froome's win in Giro.
Kwiatek with some kind of carte blanche, but it wasn't enough to any palmares in classics. His role in TdF unfortunately will be the same as in 2017.

 

[rick james]

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It’s going to be interesting this Giro: first time I can remember that Froome goes into a GT to win, without being the best GC rider when it comes to TT. In other words, he will have to drop Dumoulin, and very likely more than once

Froome will do that

 

[Red Rick]

Nothing what I've seen from Froome since 2016 makes me think he'll definitely drop Dumoulin if the latter is as good as last year.

 

[Poursuivant]

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It’s going to be interesting this Giro: first time I can remember that Froome goes into a GT to win, without being the best GC rider when it comes to TT. In other words, he will have to drop Dumoulin, and very likely more than once

Froome will do that

If it’s Dumoulin from Giro 2017, and Froome from Tour 2017, there won’t be much in it, Froome was probably stronger in Vuelta, and you would think he is trying for exact same thing this year (to be stronger in second GT)

 

[Red Rick]

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It’s going to be interesting this Giro: first time I can remember that Froome goes into a GT to win, without being the best GC rider when it comes to TT. In other words, he will have to drop Dumoulin, and very likely more than once

Froome will do that

If it’s Dumoulin from Giro 2017, and Froome from Tour 2017, there won’t be much in it, Froome was probably stronger in Vuelta, and you would think he is trying for exact same thing this year (to be stronger in second GT)

Froome was pretty much the same in the Tour and Vuelta last year. Couldn't make the difference in the high mountains. And it's been proven time and time again that doing the Tour after the Giro is much harder than the Vuelta after the Tour.

 

[Tonton]

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Nothing what I've seen from Froome since 2016 makes me think he'll definitely drop Dumoulin if the latter is as good as last year.

I agree. And I would add that riding high-temp Sky style will actually help Dumoulin on the climbs. Last climb attack could still work to some extend, getting a few seconds here and there. Still,the '17 Dumourain was...that: Dumourain. And yes, Froome is declining. But it won't be easy.

 

[rick james]

we'll see

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

What is going on with Moscon?
He hasn't started since PR. And is not (so far) in the Romandie's squad..

 

[pastronef]

Re: Team Sky Discussion thread

https://www.twitter.com/TourDeJose/status/987312192763637765

"Dave Brailsford and the Team Sky medical staff, who stayed in the same hotel, immediately took action and resuscitated Richard Steege."

 

[CTQ]

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What is going on with Moscon?
He hasn't started since PR. And is not (so far) in the Romandie's squad..

Big birthday party :razz:

 

[Parker]

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What is going on with Moscon?
He hasn't started since PR. And is not (so far) in the Romandie's squad..

He's having a rest. He'd seem like a natural choice for the Tour of Yorkshire, which is an important race for Sky. Then on to the Giro maybe.

 

[EroicaStradeBianche]

Moscon has been stopped by the team. Now he's preparing the Tour where he'll be a domestique.
Until September he won't be seen contesting for victory in any race.
He's also the only Sky rider who's done a top ten in a classic this spring: Harelbeke