Team Ineos Discussion thread

[SafeBet]

Is it Froome?

He generally prefers to be on the receiving end of monetary transactions.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

He generally prefers to be on the receiving end of monetary transactions.

So does NetCompany when it comes to making deals with the public sector in Denmark, to be fair.

 

[Tim Cahill]

So does NetCompany when it comes to making deals with the public sector in Denmark, to be fair.

Of the 20 million, 35% will go into advertising, 25% into admin fees. 20% into staffing costs and 15% lost to fraud, leaving just enough to sign clement champoussin on a 2 year deal.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Of the 20 million, 35% will go into advertising, 25% into admin fees. 20% into staffing costs and 15% lost to fraud, leaving just enough to sign clement champoussin on a 2 year deal.

I've heard you have to sign their younger brother to attract the rider you really want, so I'm thinking they should go all in on Bryan Alaphilippe.

 

[Unchained]

Funny how Tadej Pogacar is such a benchmark, everyone, everything is compared to him. Today Richard Carapaz, asleep again, bad result.. Roglic showing form, Tiberi showed he is ready, Del Toro getting pretty average report card when he is time trialing against the best.. Guy under the radar is Thymen Arensman who beat Pogacar not once but twice at TDF, he turned in a good time against quality like Ganna.
Ineos has some tools and are pretty quiet so far.
Arensman is really talented..

 

[YavorD]

I've heard you have to sign their younger brother to attract the rider you really want, so I'm thinking they should go all in on Bryan Alaphilippe.

Does that mean they will offer Tadej in hope they snatch Tilen, who, of course, would be their primary target?


Edit; Just imagine the publicity. "Ineos sign T. Pogacar in a breaking deal".

 

[awavey]

Surely if their new sponsor is a Danish software co...the surname begins with a V 🤔

 

[Rob5091]

Ineos have one eye on the Tour's TTT - Onley says the work paid off at P-N -
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...elin-and-oscar-onley-into-paris-nice-gc-fight

Yet despite the pressure of the moment, the team’s preparation proved decisive. “A team time trial is really different from an individual one,” he said. “It’s something the team has focused on a lot this year. It’s an important factor in a lot of the big races this season, so we’ve put a big emphasis on it.”
Behind the scenes, that focus has extended well beyond the riders themselves. “There’s a lot going on behind the scenes that people don’t see. So it’s really nice to be able to finish it off for them as well.”

 

[JRanton]

What a mess today in Paris-Nice. They’ve blown probably their only real chance of winning a major stage race this season.

 

[Alexandre B.]

Vauquelin will have a word this evening…

 

[Devil's Elbow]

What a mess today in Paris-Nice. They’ve blown probably their only real chance of winning a major stage race this season.

They had a chance of beating Vingegaard?

And even had they pivoted to Vauquelin earlier, they were never bringing his group back.

 

[pastronef]

Jim Ratcliffe gives up Ineos Grenadiers naming rights in €100m rebrand deal

The Danish IT supplier Netcompany will be the new title sponsor by the time of the Tour de France with the team to be renamed and have a new kit

www.theguardian.com

Net Company, says The Guardian

 

[ChasingPotatoes]

They had a chance of beating Vingegaard?

And even had they pivoted to Vauquelin earlier, they were never bringing his group back.

I think Vauqelin would have finished within 10-20 seconds of Vingegaard if in the same group at the bottom of the climb. With this weather, who knows the natural difference in level (Vingegaard always the better rider) would have been neutralised / reversed...

If they pivoted to Vauquelin earlier, they'd at least still have a chance for the win, either through a coup (unlikely), Vauquelin dropping Vingegaard (unlikely) or Vingegaard dropping out due to a crash / illness (not wishing for that, not very likely but has happened before).

The most important issue now for Ineos / Vauquelin is that Paris-Nice was probably the best race to support Vauqelin as it's a French guy in a French race, but they let him down.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

I think Vauqelin would have finished within 10-20 seconds of Vingegaard if in the same group at the bottom of the climb. With this weather, who knows the natural difference in level (Vingegaard always the better rider) would have been neutralised / reversed...

If they pivoted to Vauquelin earlier, they'd at least still have a chance for the win, either through a coup (unlikely), Vauquelin dropping Vingegaard (unlikely) or Vingegaard dropping out due to a crash / illness (not wishing for that, not very likely but has happened before).

The most important issue now for Ineos / Vauquelin is that Paris-Nice was probably the best race to support Vauqelin as it's a French guy in a French race, but they let him down.

Once again, how do you suggest Vauquelin was meant to start the final climb with Vingegaard once he’d missed out in the echelons? Teleportation?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Once again, how do you suggest Vauquelin was meant to start the final climb with Vingegaard once he’d missed out in the echelons? Teleportation?

Well, they could have dropped Tarling back early, but the risk of isolating Onley and having more issues kept them from doing that. I‘d only change the tactic once Onley started dying at the foot of the penultimate climb, but Vauquelin would only maybe finish 20 seconds closer with that help.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Well, they could have dropped Tarling back early, but the risk of isolating Onley and having more issues kept them from doing that. I‘d only change the tactic once Onley started dying at the foot of the penultimate climb, but Vauquelin would only maybe finish 20 seconds closer with that help.

As good as Tarling is, he was not turning a gap that had ballooned to 1.5 minutes by the first climb into a catch all by himself.

 

[ChasingPotatoes]

Once again, how do you suggest Vauquelin was meant to start the final climb with Vingegaard once he’d missed out in the echelons? Teleportation?

I didn’t claim Vauquelin would have reeled in Vingegaard with the help of his team (mainly or even only Tarling), but I’m saying they should have at least tried to do so.

Now they abandoned Vauquelin, their best man and a French man for that sake, in a French race that suits him very well.

 

[YavorD]

I didn’t claim Vauquelin would have reeled in Vingegaard with the help of his team (mainly or even only Tarling), but I’m saying they should have at least tried to do so.

Now they abandoned Vauquelin, their best man and a French man for that sake, in a French race that suits him very well.

Hindsight is 20/20, isn't it?
What if they isolated Onley and he turned out to be better that Vauquelin?
Obviously now that you've seen the results it's easy to claim "they abandoned their best man", but Onley is the better stage racer (at least until now) and he was in a better position in the stage, so normally they went all in for him.

 

[Netserk]

it was weird already before the broadcast started

they were the biggest losers from the splits yet they didnt ride as if the situation was bad for them

 

[ChasingPotatoes]

Hindsight is 20/20, isn't it?
What if they isolated Onley and he turned out to be better that Vauquelin?
Obviously now that you've seen the results it's easy to claim "they abandoned their best man", but Onley is the better stage racer (at least until now) and he was in a better position in the stage, so normally they went all in for him.

Why do you think this is hindsight from my side?
I saw the race developing and wouldn’t have sacrificed the Vauquelin group being Ineos.

 

[YavorD]

Why do you think this is hindsight from my side?
I saw the race developing and wouldn’t have sacrificed the Vauquelin group being Ineos.

So why would you risk Onley's position?

 

[ChasingPotatoes]

So why would you risk Onley's position?

Ineos were actively working in that front group while Vauquelin was in the chasing group. They weren’t risking anything by not working, which is the least they could have done.

 

[YavorD]

Ineos were actively working in that front group while Vauquelin was in the chasing group. They weren’t risking anything by not working, which is the least they could have done.

Oh, okay, maybe I misunderstood you.
If it's about not working, I agree. But sending someone back to help, I don't think it would be right at the heat of the stage.
Besides, 1 person wouldn't move the needle.