Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[GJB123]

1. countless statements pointing at a higher internal police after jtl
2. "introduced by" <> "executed by". there are many entities that can carry testing
3. there was nothing on Gazzeta, it only appeared long after Sky release. Also Gazzeta is a tabloid who would say anything, what they say has no weight.

the only obscation and making up of thing is in your "After the leak Sky went in full damage control mode. I wonder why? ".

there is nothing to damage control as there is nothing to harm their reputation, in fact is just the opposite.

Beware I am going in full vortex mode.

1. So please show where to find these numerous statements outlining all the extra internal testing they are doing since JTL.
2. So true, but it is at best dubious to conclude from Sky's own statement that it was internal testing that tripped Henao. Quite the opposite really.
3. According to all news reports and Gazetta themselves there most definitely was something. The article on the website states quite clearly that the statement by Sky confirms the rumors published earlier today by Gazetta.
Your characterization of Gazetta is straight out of the Armstrong book of defense. Attack the messenger to avoid addressing the real issue.

There is something to harm Sky in that they have a pretty high-profile domestique and one of their bigger talents who returned dubious values during an OoC-test.

 

[RownhamHill]

2. So true, but is at best dubious to conclude from Sky's own statement that it was internal testing that tripped Henao. Quite the opposite really.

Not wanting to vortex back against a vortex, but why is it you conclude that? Sky's statement seems pretty clear it was an OOC test in October (not an internal test, don't know where that's coming from), that their internal process flagged up as anomalous, such that they pulled Henao from TA and informed the UCI they were investigating. And the UCI spokesperson in the Cycling News story seems pretty clearly to corroborate that story. So I'm wondering where you're getting the 'opposite' explanation from?

 

[BYOP88]

Latest Team Sky press release

http://youtu.be/-QNJdDbxdv4?t=1m39s

 

[doolols]

So it's a WADA-approved OOC test. Sky were given the results (is this normal?) Then Sky's own internal records showed something 'not right' about the results. Not that it breached WADA rules, or BP anomalies, or anything like that.

So, to me, it sounds like without Sky's own internal records and testing, this would have gone unnoticed - as it would on any other team without the internal systems designed to check for anomalies in strings of blood / urine results.

How does that theory sound? Not explosive enough for the clinic?

 

[frenchfry]

Another masterfull, if highly suspicious, PR job from Sky... really amazing how you turn what was clearly "suspicious values" into a "the interesting results of our latest tests call for more scientific work from our labs, all for the glory of science...".

PR rules the world. Transforming likely doping into a Sky marginal gains project - brilliant. Of course it doesn't fool the clinic, but that probably isn't the target audience.

 

[Lanark]

So it's a WADA-approved OOC test. Sky were given the results (is this normal?) Then Sky's own internal records showed something 'not right' about the results. Not that it breached WADA rules, or BP anomalies, or anything like that.

So, to me, it sounds like without Sky's own internal records and testing, this would have gone unnoticed - as it would on any other team without the internal systems designed to check for anomalies in strings of blood / urine results.

How does that theory sound? Not explosive enough for the clinic?

That's pure conjecture at this stage. Could be they want to be ahead of the inevitable.

 

[slosada]

THREE Lotto Belisol riders pulled out....OMG!....must be doping, this is fishy....three riders on the SAME TEAM withdraw...its doping i tell you!!!!

(see how ridiculous it sounds when the ramblings are applied to another team)

With regard to Porte pulling out, has nobody on this forum ever woken up with a cold?...never woken up feeling rough and gone to the bathroom to find you have an upset stomach?.....never woken up with a bad back, stiff neck etc etc?....forum of superhumans it would seem.

I take this as you didn't watch the race. There was a big crash in the last corner where Lotto train got involved.
If you were to pull a sarcasm, let me tell you it didn't work:
We are talking about one guy who had chances to win the race and/or collect WT points, apart from testing TT skills, and all of a sudden he was "sick"

 

[TailWindHome]

Hang on.

How do you know that is the case?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sergio-henao-taken-off-sky-roster-due-to-test-anomalies

 

[doolols]

That's pure conjecture at this stage. Could be they want to be ahead of the inevitable.

Sorry. I didn't know conjecture wasn't allowed on the Sky thread in the clinic

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Weird.

Backpain for Froome
Illness for Porte
Henao off their roster
Dombrowski hasn't raced yet still.
Hagen ill in PN

It almost looks suspicious

 

[the sceptic]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sergio-henao-taken-off-sky-roster-due-to-test-anomalies

Thanks for the link, most appreciated.

Hang on.

Do you have any evidence to back up your initial claim that it was sky that found his suspicious result and then "highlighted" it to the UCI?

 

[RownhamHill]

We are talking about one guy who had chances to win the race and/or collect WT points, apart from testing TT skills, and all of a sudden he was "sick"

Well some of us are trying to talk about the "sick" guy, and asking for people to explain possible/plausible nefarious reasons for him to pull out if he wasn't "sick", but other than just asserting it's 'dodgy' no one's actually coming up with anything coherent as far as I can see. . . Why do you think, if he wasn't "sick", he pulled out?

 

[doolols]

Do you have any evidence to back up your initial claim that it was sky that found his suspicious result and then "highlighted" it to the UCI?

“In our latest monthly review, our experts had questions about Sergio’s out-of-competition control tests at altitude - tests introduced this winter by the anti-doping authorities. We need to understand these readings better,”

This morning Team Sky confirmed to Cyclingnews that they drew the UCI’s attention to the matter after Henao’s competed in the Tour of Oman. This was his last race with the team.

“We contacted the relevant authorities - the UCI and CADF – pointed to these readings and asked whether they could give us any insights,”

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[martinvickers]

Yes, but quietly withdrawing someone who's overdoing it is not necessarily a sign of a team doing the right thing, which is the way some people are trying to spin this (including Walsh). It doesn't necessarily mean the opposite either, but still.

Absolutely true. But if UCI, WADA and CADA had shown no interest to date, and you just want to hide the guy, why inform them and offer data? UCI appear to have confirmed this happened.

Maybe it's all part of a masterful Sky plot to check their own doping, I don't know. Just doesn't seem to fit to me.

 

[Netserk]

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Sky said it. Must be true then.

 

[TailWindHome]

Thanks for the link, most appreciated.

Hang on.

Do you have any evidence to back up your initial claim that it was sky that found his suspicious result and then "highlighted" it to the UCI?

Clearly your interpretation of the article is entirely different than mine.

This morning Team Sky confirmed to Cyclingnews that they drew the UCI’s attention to the matter after Henao’s competed in the Tour of Oman

The UCI does not comment on individual cases but as a matter of principle we are supportive of teams pursuing a policy of closely monitoring their athletes,” a UCI spokesperson told Cyclingnews.

“This is something that has been monitored by the team,” they added.

"This is their own programme and that’s very important because that’s why we’re supportive of their programme and the approach to it and to suspend the rider. The monitoring and the programme is a matter for them.”

“If a team has any concerns, then the appropriate course of action may well be to withdraw him from its race schedule whilst it continues its investigations.”

When asked if the UCI would study Henao’s blood passport or hand over the data to the team, the UCI said, “If they request, then why not? The press release says clearly they will do further research on their own. We don’t exclude it but it depends on them and whether they request additional help.”

How do you see it?

 

[zlev11]

I gotta say, Sky are really good at knowing exactly what to say to make the Sky fanboys believe. Fantastic PR job, this thread is proof that it's working.

 

[martinvickers]

Thanks for the link, most appreciated.

Hang on.

Do you have any evidence to back up your initial claim that it was sky that found his suspicious result and then "highlighted" it to the UCI?

From Cyclingnews

Cyclingnews contacted the UCI for a response. The sport’s governing body confirmed that they had been notified of the situation in the last few days but would not give a specific date

“The UCI does not comment on individual cases but as a matter of principle we are supportive of teams pursuing a policy of closely monitoring their athletes,” a UCI spokesperson told Cyclingnews.

“This is something that has been monitored by the team,” they added.

 

[the sceptic]

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Does that mean sky "found" the result as in they performed the test, or does it mean someone alerted them to the result and they went into damage control mode?

 

[TailWindHome]

I gotta say, Sky are really good at knowing exactly what to say to make the Sky fanboys believe. Fantastic PR job, this thread is proof that it's working.

See all this 'fanboy' stuff. It's a poor substitute for reasonable discussion.

 

[EnacheV]

I gotta say, Sky are really good at knowing exactly what to say to make the Sky fanboys believe. Fantastic PR job, this thread is proof that it's working.

and what exactly they must believe ? Sky, UCI, the entire word vs few talibans here twisting things in something that isn't?

 

[martinvickers]

Sky said it. Must be true then.

UCI confirmed it.

Cyclingnews contacted the UCI for a response. The sport’s governing body confirmed that they had been notified of the situation in the last few days but would not give a specific date

“The UCI does not comment on individual cases but as a matter of principle we are supportive of teams pursuing a policy of closely monitoring their athletes,” a UCI spokesperson told Cyclingnews.

“This is something that has been monitored by the team,” they added.

Dear God. It's spreading!

How far must this conspiracy go? Will no-one think of the children?

 

[TailWindHome]

Does that mean sky "found" the result as in they performed the test, or does it mean someone alerted them to the result and they went into damage control mode?

Maybe neither.

 

[martinvickers]

Yes, let's get David Walsh to provide his view on the proceedings. I'm sure it will be just as impartial as his previous work

What are the Twitter updates from Daveyboy?

Sigh.

DW = Dear Wiggo.

 

[the sceptic]

Maybe neither.

Good. Now that we have gotten that twist out of the way, maybe we can get back to my initial post where I said it was bad that another sky rider was found to have suspicius values.

As a sky fan, how do you feel about it?