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pastronef said:
BSkyB is unhappy about their Team Sky sponsorship and Brailsford and his management are for sure being questioned.
that's what Dim said a few pages ago.

that's the troubling thing. one of the biggest teams, whose future and budget seemed certain and assured for years, is now under huge pressure from its backers.
British Sky Broadcasting, and the British public and fans, did buy all the talk and "clean cycling"
the fans are still buying it. BskyB a little less.
I guess that's (the clean cycling fairy tale) the only way Team Sky can get the $$$ from BSkyB
after reading a few of the 25000 pages of this thread :D maybe someone from BSkyB asked a few questions to Brailford.

Team Sky was also looking for a new media officer...

People high up at BSkyB are very concerned. It doesn't take a genius to look at the last Tour and see who won it and how (a mid-pack mediocre rider of a few seasons ago dominated it) to work out that there is more in play than pineapple juice and special bedding. As soon as more board members work this out and stop believing the Bull$hit Brailsford lie machine, they'll soon be asking him the questions that he can't answer.
 
bobbins said:
People high up at BSkyB are very concerned. It doesn't take a genius to look at the last Tour and see who won it and how (a mid-pack mediocre rider of a few seasons ago dominated it) to work out that there is more in play than pineapple juice and special bedding. As soon as more board members work this out and stop believing the Bull$hit Brailsford lie machine, they'll soon be asking him the questions that he can't answer.

BSkyB couldn't care less if the rider is clean or not as long as the general perception of the team is positive. The sponsor wants good headlines about heroism, superior management and results.

The sponsor doesn't want all the negative headlines about dopers, dodgy team decisions etc.
 
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thehog said:
Always the dichotomy of team management.

The owners want results but not with the negative publicity.

But to get results you have to "prepare". And with that comes questions.

Sky get themselves into the trouble they do with this "ZTP" thing. They bring it all on themselves pretending to be monistic about their existence of cleanness.

Look at BMC and Ballan. Who gives a sh!t, that they have him and Och. Mainly by the fact they don't preach to everyone about being clean.

Hog, I disagree totally. Does that still make it any better for them than Sky?

It shouldn't matter if a team has a ZTP one or not. This is what I notice gets thrown at Sky because they declare their cleanliness a lot more than others where people think deserve the extra flak. I happen to disagree, if you have a doping doctor on your books it should be the same as anyone else. It's why everyone mentions Leinders because of their ZTP. That's grand but what about Alonso Gonzalez at OGE and all his ilk elsewhere. I still hear more mention of Leinders than this guy even though Leinders isn't involved in the sport. Should it matter that OGE don't go shouting from the roof tops about ZTP?

I see on twitter and on here the Contador and the Saxo fan brigade wanting Sky to be exposed. They really do have some brass necks on them especially when we still see the likes of Riis involved in the sport. Sky get hammered for De Jongh and rightly so but nowhere near the same criticism has been levelled at Saxo for his hiring all because they don't come out with the PR bluster that Sky do. This hiring of him was done when there was no co-operation with authorities when he left Sky.

It's like saying Sky's biggest mistake was they talked about transparency and ZTP when it may have been better if they were more like Astana, BMC and Saxo. Would they have got an easier ride that way or more appropriately should they still get an easier ride if this was the case? I think it's a ridiculous mindset.
 
gooner said:
Hog, I disagree totally. Does that still make it any better for them than Sky?

It shouldn't matter if a team has a ZTP one or not. This is what I notice gets thrown at Sky because they declare their cleanliness a lot more than others where people think deserve the extra flak. I happen to disagree, if you have a doping doctor on your books it should be the same as anyone else. It's why everyone mentions Leinders because of their ZTP. That's grand but what about Alonso Gonzalez at OGE and all his ilk elsewhere. I still hear more mention of Leinders than this guy even though Leinders isn't involved in the sport. Should it matter that OGE don't go shouting from the roof tops about ZTP?

I see on twitter and on here the Contador and the Saxo fan brigade wanting Sky to be exposed. They really do have some brass necks on them especially when we still see the likes of Riis involved in the sport. Sky get hammered for De Jongh and rightly so but nowhere near the same criticism has been levelled at Saxo for his hiring all because they don't come out with the PR bluster that Sky do. This hiring of him was done when there was no co-operation with authorities when he left Sky.

It's like saying Sky's biggest mistake was they talked about transparency and ZTP when it may have been better if they were more like Astana, BMC and Saxo. Would they have got an easier ride that way or more appropriately should they still get an easier ride if this was the case? I think it's a ridiculous mindset.

very good post

I think there's the question. would BSkyB and the British fan back Sky IF they did not sell themselves as a clean team, ZTP and so on?
I'd really like them to shut up and behave like their other friends Astana Katusha and so on. but maybe they must talk the talk because their backers want them to.
and that's where they make mistakes.
 
Dear Wiggo said:
This guy reminds me of Anthony Tan.

And that's not a compliment.



ie trolling.

Who is that and why are you giving them a platform here:confused:

If that person wants to make a comment here let them be a man and make it not have messengers like yourself do it for them so they can't even be responded to:rolleyes:
 
pastronef said:
I think there's the question. would BSkyB and the British fan back Sky IF they did not sell themselves as a clean team, ZTP and so on?

Really, Brailsford set the team up for problems on day one. 'Marginal gains' was BS from the beginning. As big a pile as Lance beating up on 'lazy Europeans' with high cadence pedaling.

Marginal gains add up to marginal improvements. There is nothing marginal about Chris Froome, and there is no way to keep that much speculation quiet.

He could have had one believable fairy tale with Wiggins' Olympic year. But nope, he goes and doubles down with Froome and Porte. Just got greedy.
 
pastronef said:
that's why put the smiley. they don't read here, but the rumours and talks fly over the interwebs

They don't read this particular forum but the scepticism over team miracle is ubiquitous. Cn forum is just a drop in the ocean as far as scepticism goes, and everyone knows fully well that what sky do is widely doubted.
 
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Froome has not been in a lab over the winter! Sky really do push the BS about sports science and marginal gains to the max.

F*#k the hypocrisy ‏@Digger_forum 30m
So froome hasn't been in a Lab since July!

Fran Millar ‏@franmillar 28m
@Digger_forum why is this so crazy to you? We have spoken extensively across all media about how we monitor the performance of our athletes

F*#k the hypocrisy ‏@Digger_forum 26m
@franmillar because db said In July they Would. Next time in a Lab. It's not just us on twitter. People like vayer also.
 
gooner said:
Hog, I disagree totally. Does that still make it any better for them than Sky?

It shouldn't matter if a team has a ZTP one or not. This is what I notice gets thrown at Sky because they declare their cleanliness a lot more than others where people think deserve the extra flak. I happen to disagree, if you have a doping doctor on your books it should be the same as anyone else. It's why everyone mentions Leinders because of their ZTP. That's grand but what about Alonso Gonzalez at OGE and all his ilk elsewhere. I still hear more mention of Leinders than this guy even though Leinders isn't involved in the sport. Should it matter that OGE don't go shouting from the roof tops about ZTP?

I see on twitter and on here the Contador and the Saxo fan brigade wanting Sky to be exposed. They really do have some brass necks on them especially when we still see the likes of Riis involved in the sport. Sky get hammered for De Jongh and rightly so but nowhere near the same criticism has been levelled at Saxo for his hiring all because they don't come out with the PR bluster that Sky do. This hiring of him was done when there was no co-operation with authorities when he left Sky.

It's like saying Sky's biggest mistake was they talked about transparency and ZTP when it may have been better if they were more like Astana, BMC and Saxo. Would they have got an easier ride that way or more appropriately should they still get an easier ride if this was the case? I think it's a ridiculous mindset.

It was Sky biggest mistake to talk about ZTP/transparency or whatever they all it when reality suggests otherwise.

Sky with their money and resources, if truly clean, could lead the way here. Imagine if they put some action behind their words? Websites, apps, reports and demonstrate to a many times burnt public that what they do is indeed different.

Like Armstrong. He has a choice. He could have been the leader of change after his recovery from cancer. Imagine if he put all the anger and angst he had into changing the sport? Imagine.

Same goes for Sky. Show me your cards. Instead all I get is David 'butterfly' Walsh. That's it?

Please.
 
gooner said:
Hog, I disagree totally. Does that still make it any better for them than Sky?

It shouldn't matter if a team has a ZTP one or not. This is what I notice gets thrown at Sky because they declare their cleanliness a lot more than others where people think deserve the extra flak. I happen to disagree, if you have a doping doctor on your books it should be the same as anyone else. It's why everyone mentions Leinders because of their ZTP. That's grand but what about Alonso Gonzalez at OGE and all his ilk elsewhere. I still hear more mention of Leinders than this guy even though Leinders isn't involved in the sport. Should it matter that OGE don't go shouting from the roof tops about ZTP?

I see on twitter and on here the Contador and the Saxo fan brigade wanting Sky to be exposed. They really do have some brass necks on them especially when we still see the likes of Riis involved in the sport. Sky get hammered for De Jongh and rightly so but nowhere near the same criticism has been levelled at Saxo for his hiring all because they don't come out with the PR bluster that Sky do. This hiring of him was done when there was no co-operation with authorities when he left Sky.

It's like saying Sky's biggest mistake was they talked about transparency and ZTP when it may have been better if they were more like Astana, BMC and Saxo. Would they have got an easier ride that way or more appropriately should they still get an easier ride if this was the case? I think it's a ridiculous mindset.

The BMC one is weird though, as they have riders who are quite happy to spout the clean cycling stuff, criticise ohters for finnishing bottles with caffeine, but they have Testa, the Och and Rihs among others on staff.
 
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Benotti69 said:
Froome has not been in a lab over the winter! Sky really do push the BS about sports science and marginal gains to the max.

Its funny how Fran Millar gets all upset, even though digger is just an anonymous keyboard warrior and conspiracy theorist.
 
gooner said:
Hog, I disagree totally. Does that still make it any better for them than Sky?

It shouldn't matter if a team has a ZTP one or not. This is what I notice gets thrown at Sky because they declare their cleanliness a lot more than others where people think deserve the extra flak. I happen to disagree, if you have a doping doctor on your books it should be the same as anyone else. It's why everyone mentions Leinders because of their ZTP. That's grand but what about Alonso Gonzalez at OGE and all his ilk elsewhere. I still hear more mention of Leinders than this guy even though Leinders isn't involved in the sport. Should it matter that OGE don't go shouting from the roof tops about ZTP?

I see on twitter and on here the Contador and the Saxo fan brigade wanting Sky to be exposed. They really do have some brass necks on them especially when we still see the likes of Riis involved in the sport. Sky get hammered for De Jongh and rightly so but nowhere near the same criticism has been levelled at Saxo for his hiring all because they don't come out with the PR bluster that Sky do. This hiring of him was done when there was no co-operation with authorities when he left Sky.

It's like saying Sky's biggest mistake was they talked about transparency and ZTP when it may have been better if they were more like Astana, BMC and Saxo. Would they have got an easier ride that way or more appropriately should they still get an easier ride if this was the case? I think it's a ridiculous mindset.
The ZTP and the 'transparency' would be great if they were a clean team who didn't hire dodgy staff and dirty riders and actually was transparent. That would be truly great.

They don't get flack because of the ZTP alone. It's because they so hard try to appear clean while being the most dodgy/dirty team of all.

It'd ofc be completely different if they actually were clean...
 
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jens_attacks said:
hopefully he will be ok. i called it back after delfino's ban and riders reaction, that we won't have no more cases. riders have full acces to the passport and can prepare without having problems.it is just a pr move by brailsford this one imo.

any idea what was it anyway?retics, high, low hemoglobyne?

just had today my test results by the way. hemoglobin 17.1!!! all natural baby
and i'm not even colombian hehe

Do riders have access to their own passport data? I can't find the post now (maybe it was on twitter), but I'm sure I remember JV amongst others being strongly against riders/teams being able to view their own riders passport data and be able to tweak their prep as required.
 
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gooner said:
It's like saying Sky's biggest mistake was they talked about transparency and ZTP when it may have been better if they were more like Astana, BMC and Saxo. Would they have got an easier ride that way or more appropriately should they still get an easier ride if this was the case? I think it's a ridiculous mindset.

Would Sky have entered a cesspit sport like cycling if Brailsford didn't go the 'clean team' route? Probably not. They made a rod for their own backs.
 

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SundayRider said:
More opportunity to take EPO.

If it was a 'surprise' out of competition test would it be just blood or would it be urine as well? EPO is only detected in urine isn't it? And if so why don't they collect both?
 

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pastronef said:
BSkyB is unhappy about their Team Sky sponsorship and Brailsford and his management are for sure being questioned.
that's what Dim said a few pages ago.

that's the troubling thing. one of the biggest teams, whose future and budget seemed certain and assured for years, is now under huge pressure from its backers.
British Sky Broadcasting, and the British public and fans, did buy all the talk and "clean cycling"
the fans are still buying it. BskyB a little less.
I guess that's (the clean cycling fairy tale) the only way Team Sky can get the $$$ from BSkyB
after reading a few of the 25000 pages of this thread :D maybe someone from BSkyB asked a few questions to Brailford.

Team Sky was also looking for a new media officer...

And the proof / media coverage of that is from where exactly?
 

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IzzyStradlin said:
Really, Brailsford set the team up for problems on day one. 'Marginal gains' was BS from the beginning. As big a pile as Lance beating up on 'lazy Europeans' with high cadence pedaling.

Marginal gains add up to marginal improvements. There is nothing marginal about Chris Froome, and there is no way to keep that much speculation quiet.

He could have had one believable fairy tale with Wiggins' Olympic year. But nope, he goes and doubles down with Froome and Porte. Just got greedy.

Proof? This isn't USP again - there are no miracle recoveries from cancer, there are no soigneurs who heard things, there are no assistants who found things in apartments and were fired, there are no friends who heard things in hospital, there are no steroid positives. Pure pure conjecture by you and everyone else...
 

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Benotti69 said:
Would Sky have entered a cesspit sport like cycling if Brailsford didn't go the 'clean team' route? Probably not. They made a rod for their own backs.

Regardless of the truth of the matter, the GB public take a dim view of doping when they find out about it. It may be hypocritical or naive, but it's what it is. The Millar/Chambers BOA debacle showed as much.

I'm pretty sure BC/Brailsford would personally have preferred a ZTP forward policy if any at all- more Garmin-esque. But Sky wouldn't have that. In the sport as it currently is, that was a hopelessly stupid idea.
 
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Justinr said:
Proof? This isn't USP again - there are no miracle recoveries from cancer, there are no soigneurs who heard things, there are no assistants who found things in apartments and were fired, there are no friends who heard things in hospital, there are no steroid positives. Pure pure conjecture by you and everyone else...

What about miracle recoveries from badzilla?
 

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I think bSkyB issue is not tackled correctly

If by some miracle Sky stops the sponsoring i can bet there is a very long list of businesses that would love to put their name on this team. 30 mil / year (a div2 football club total wages/year) is peanuts, especially in GB.
 
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EnacheV said:
I think bSkyB issue is not tackled correctly

If by some miracle Sky stops the sponsoring i can bet there is a very long list of businesses that would love to put their name on this team. 30 mil / year (a div2 football club total wages/year) is peanuts, especially in GB.

yeah like what happened with htc :rolleyes:
 
will10 said:
Do riders have access to their own passport data? I can't find the post now (maybe it was on twitter), but I'm sure I remember JV amongst others being strongly against riders/teams being able to view their own riders passport data and be able to tweak their prep as required.

They can access all test results via ADAMS.

The raw data, no analysis or interpretations though.


If you recall Horner posted all his test sheets.