Netserk said:I think it's fair to say that it's very much possible for him to be doped back then.
edit: Got post #25,000 lol.
Then this must be reply # 25.000
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Netserk said:I think it's fair to say that it's very much possible for him to be doped back then.
edit: Got post #25,000 lol.
barmaher said:This whole affair stinks. Nobody looking good out of this.
Although everyone is quick to point fingers at Sky and UCI, it is the rider I am most concerned about. I liked Henao. In spite of his team, I thought he might be clean. Now it is hard to trust his results.
not sure if you've heard. henao is riding for sky, not for colombia.Ryo Hazuki said:duarte had a similar problem and was acquitted of all, same wiht hoogerland after long term testing their testosterone levels. if would've bene bad if he was cuagh on a doping product. but he hasn't. colombia is not exaclty on the forefront of doping. riders there use epo. easy to trace
Ryo Hazuki said:duarte had a similar problem and was acquitted of all, same wiht hoogerland after long term testing their testosterone levels. if would've bene bad if he was cuagh on a doping product. but he hasn't. colombia is not exaclty on the forefront of doping. riders there use epo. easy to trace
barmaher said:So you think it's all a big mistake?
Hearing the cycling forum poo flingers have added several layers of tinfoil to their hats after the Henao news. Stick to missing jets chaps
https://twitter.com/Philip_Gomes/status/446435620827963392
Benotti69 said:Haemo/red blood cell data/norms thrown into chaos when altitude involved. No norms. Chaos could mean opportunity.
sniper said:not sure if you've heard. henao is riding for sky, not for colombia.
barmaher said:So you think it's all a big mistake?
Arnout said:It's a weird story. It's not out of the question Henao doped. In that case October blood values might've been lower than normal because it was the off-season. Even though I fully understand all Colombians wanting to train back in their country (who wouldn't want that), but the lack of testing there is an issue and it's no surprise that questions arise when their level is high after they return to Europe. I'm not saying that they're doping when they go back, but it is a possibility and we can't know without reliable testing. That needs to be fixed as soon as possible, as to not get into a situation where riders can't go back to their country and family anymore without fans asking questions.
On the other hand, this situation is seriously weird. Perhaps weirdest of all is the reaction of the UCI. They react in the "whatever floats your boat" way, giving the impression that they couldn't care less what happens with Henao. This is puzzling, one would expect a harsher reaction if there is reason to belief he violated their rules and if he didn't, I would've wanted a condemnation of Sky's policy of banning him without reason.
The decision of Sky to only release a statement now is understandable, if a bit naive. If this is solely an internal investigation and they expect doubts to clear up in a couple of weeks, it's normal that they don't want negative attention on a rider in today's toxic environment: negative attention on said rider could jeopardize his career without reason. There's no doubt that, with all their history, this is not good PR for Sky whatever way you look at it. Or maybe it is, as they apparently take riders having questionable values seriously. However, without more transparancy on their part it's hard to judge their actions.
Then there is the decision of Henao's manager (I assume with authorization from Sergio himself) bringing out this news himself, via a somewhat credible news outlet. What does this mean: do they think Sky's action are based on nothing, do they want to break contract before the investigation brings up facts they want to hide or is it simply a misunderstanding?
Overall, it's really hard to figure out what's going on and all the people here jumping unto conclusions (whatever these are) are too fast with that, although it is understandable when you take into account the recent history of the sport.
I just hope this gets all resolved soon, more rigorous testing is put in place in Colombia and I also hope that we, the fans, get more explanation than a simple "nothing happened" or "he doped" message in a few weeks.
pastronef said:BSkyB is unhappy about their Team Sky sponsorship and Brailsford and his management are for sure being questioned.
that's what Dim said a few pages ago.
that's the troubling thing. one of the biggest teams, whose future and budget seemed certain and assured for years, is now under huge pressure from its backers.
British Sky Broadcasting, and the British public and fans, did buy all the talk and "clean cycling"
the fans are still buying it. BskyB a little less.
I guess that's (the clean cycling fairy tale) the only way Team Sky can get the $$$ from BSkyB
after reading a few of the 25000 pages of this threadmaybe someone from BSkyB asked a few questions to Brailford.
Team Sky was also looking for a new media officer...
Arnout said:It's a weird story. It's not out of the question Henao doped. In that case October blood values might've been lower than normal because it was the off-season. Even though I fully understand all Colombians wanting to train back in their country (who wouldn't want that), but the lack of testing there is an issue and it's no surprise that questions arise when their level is high after they return to Europe. I'm not saying that they're doping when they go back, but it is a possibility and we can't know without reliable testing. That needs to be fixed as soon as possible, as to not get into a situation where riders can't go back to their country and family anymore without fans asking questions.
On the other hand, this situation is seriously weird. Perhaps weirdest of all is the reaction of the UCI. They react in the "whatever floats your boat" way, giving the impression that they couldn't care less what happens with Henao. This is puzzling, one would expect a harsher reaction if there is reason to belief he violated their rules and if he didn't, I would've wanted a condemnation of Sky's policy of banning him without reason.
The decision of Sky to only release a statement now is understandable, if a bit naive. If this is solely an internal investigation and they expect doubts to clear up in a couple of weeks, it's normal that they don't want negative attention on a rider in today's toxic environment: negative attention on said rider could jeopardize his career without reason. There's no doubt that, with all their history, this is not good PR for Sky whatever way you look at it. Or maybe it is, as they apparently take riders having questionable values seriously. However, without more transparancy on their part it's hard to judge their actions.
Then there is the decision of Henao's manager (I assume with authorization from Sergio himself) bringing out this news himself, via a somewhat credible news outlet. What does this mean: do they think Sky's action are based on nothing, do they want to break contract before the investigation brings up facts they want to hide or is it simply a misunderstanding?
Overall, it's really hard to figure out what's going on and all the people here jumping unto conclusions (whatever these are) are too fast with that, although it is understandable when you take into account the recent history of the sport.
I just hope this gets all resolved soon, more rigorous testing is put in place in Colombia and I also hope that we, the fans, get more explanation than a simple "nothing happened" or "he doped" message in a few weeks.
Ryo Hazuki said:lol if you think anyone isnide cycling even reads this blubber
pastronef said:that's why put the smiley. they don't read here, but the rumours and talks fly over the interwebs
pastronef said:BSkyB is unhappy about their Team Sky sponsorship and Brailsford and his management are for sure being questioned.
that's what Dim said a few pages ago.
that's the troubling thing. one of the biggest teams, whose future and budget seemed certain and assured for years, is now under huge pressure from its backers.
British Sky Broadcasting, and the British public and fans, did buy all the talk and "clean cycling"
the fans are still buying it. BskyB a little less.
I guess that's (the clean cycling fairy tale) the only way Team Sky can get the $$$ from BSkyB
after reading a few of the 25000 pages of this threadmaybe someone from BSkyB asked a few questions to Brailford.
Team Sky was also looking for a new media officer...
Benotti69 said:2013, 5th fastest tour ever. Within 1km/hr of the fastest ever. Doesn't take much imagination to understand why.
Arnout said:.... we can't know without reliable testing.
Arnout said:. Perhaps weirdest of all is the reaction of the UCI. They react in the "whatever floats your boat" way, giving the impression that they couldn't care less what happens with Henao.
Arnout said:.Then there is the decision of Henao's manager (I assume with authorization from Sergio himself) bringing out this news himself, via a somewhat credible news outlet. .
Arnout said:also hope that we, the fans, get more explanation than a simple "nothing happened" or "he doped" message in a few weeks.
ralphbert said:If I get quoted in the clinic, does that mean I am part of "the clinic 13": exciting.
The Hitch said:I wouldn't put the Vuelta a Colombia down like that. It was more impressive than Tour of Colorador or Utah. He was only 23 when he won it. A number of us saw he was going to be very good when he won it at that age.