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This whole affair stinks. Nobody looking good out of this.

Although everyone is quick to point fingers at Sky and UCI, it is the rider I am most concerned about. I liked Henao. In spite of his team, I thought he might be clean. Now it is hard to trust his results.
 
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This whole affair stinks. Nobody looking good out of this.

Although everyone is quick to point fingers at Sky and UCI, it is the rider I am most concerned about. I liked Henao. In spite of his team, I thought he might be clean. Now it is hard to trust his results.

duarte had a similar problem and was acquitted of all, same wiht hoogerland after long term testing their testosterone levels. if would've bene bad if he was cuagh on a doping product. but he hasn't. colombia is not exaclty on the forefront of doping. riders there use epo. easy to trace
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
duarte had a similar problem and was acquitted of all, same wiht hoogerland after long term testing their testosterone levels. if would've bene bad if he was cuagh on a doping product. but he hasn't. colombia is not exaclty on the forefront of doping. riders there use epo. easy to trace
not sure if you've heard. henao is riding for sky, not for colombia.
 
Ryo Hazuki said:
duarte had a similar problem and was acquitted of all, same wiht hoogerland after long term testing their testosterone levels. if would've bene bad if he was cuagh on a doping product. but he hasn't. colombia is not exaclty on the forefront of doping. riders there use epo. easy to trace

So you think it's all a big mistake?
 
hopefully he will be ok. i called it back after delfino's ban and riders reaction, that we won't have no more cases. riders have full acces to the passport and can prepare without having problems.it is just a pr move by brailsford this one imo.

any idea what was it anyway?retics, high, low hemoglobyne?

just had today my test results by the way. hemoglobin 17.1!!! all natural baby
and i'm not even colombian hehe
 
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Haemo/red blood cell data/norms thrown into chaos when altitude involved. No norms. Chaos could mean opportunity.
 
It's a weird story. It's not out of the question Henao doped. In that case October blood values might've been lower than normal because it was the off-season. Even though I fully understand all Colombians wanting to train back in their country (who wouldn't want that), but the lack of testing there is an issue and it's no surprise that questions arise when their level is high after they return to Europe. I'm not saying that they're doping when they go back, but it is a possibility and we can't know without reliable testing. That needs to be fixed as soon as possible, as to not get into a situation where riders can't go back to their country and family anymore without fans asking questions.

On the other hand, this situation is seriously weird. Perhaps weirdest of all is the reaction of the UCI. They react in the "whatever floats your boat" way, giving the impression that they couldn't care less what happens with Henao. This is puzzling, one would expect a harsher reaction if there is reason to belief he violated their rules and if he didn't, I would've wanted a condemnation of Sky's policy of banning him without reason.

The decision of Sky to only release a statement now is understandable, if a bit naive. If this is solely an internal investigation and they expect doubts to clear up in a couple of weeks, it's normal that they don't want negative attention on a rider in today's toxic environment: negative attention on said rider could jeopardize his career without reason. There's no doubt that, with all their history, this is not good PR for Sky whatever way you look at it. Or maybe it is, as they apparently take riders having questionable values seriously. However, without more transparancy on their part it's hard to judge their actions.

Then there is the decision of Henao's manager (I assume with authorization from Sergio himself) bringing out this news himself, via a somewhat credible news outlet. What does this mean: do they think Sky's action are based on nothing, do they want to break contract before the investigation brings up facts they want to hide or is it simply a misunderstanding?

Overall, it's really hard to figure out what's going on and all the people here jumping unto conclusions (whatever these are) are too fast with that, although it is understandable when you take into account the recent history of the sport.

I just hope this gets all resolved soon, more rigorous testing is put in place in Colombia and I also hope that we, the fans, get more explanation than a simple "nothing happened" or "he doped" message in a few weeks.
 
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Arnout said:
It's a weird story. It's not out of the question Henao doped. In that case October blood values might've been lower than normal because it was the off-season. Even though I fully understand all Colombians wanting to train back in their country (who wouldn't want that), but the lack of testing there is an issue and it's no surprise that questions arise when their level is high after they return to Europe. I'm not saying that they're doping when they go back, but it is a possibility and we can't know without reliable testing. That needs to be fixed as soon as possible, as to not get into a situation where riders can't go back to their country and family anymore without fans asking questions.

On the other hand, this situation is seriously weird. Perhaps weirdest of all is the reaction of the UCI. They react in the "whatever floats your boat" way, giving the impression that they couldn't care less what happens with Henao. This is puzzling, one would expect a harsher reaction if there is reason to belief he violated their rules and if he didn't, I would've wanted a condemnation of Sky's policy of banning him without reason.

The decision of Sky to only release a statement now is understandable, if a bit naive. If this is solely an internal investigation and they expect doubts to clear up in a couple of weeks, it's normal that they don't want negative attention on a rider in today's toxic environment: negative attention on said rider could jeopardize his career without reason. There's no doubt that, with all their history, this is not good PR for Sky whatever way you look at it. Or maybe it is, as they apparently take riders having questionable values seriously. However, without more transparancy on their part it's hard to judge their actions.

Then there is the decision of Henao's manager (I assume with authorization from Sergio himself) bringing out this news himself, via a somewhat credible news outlet. What does this mean: do they think Sky's action are based on nothing, do they want to break contract before the investigation brings up facts they want to hide or is it simply a misunderstanding?

Overall, it's really hard to figure out what's going on and all the people here jumping unto conclusions (whatever these are) are too fast with that, although it is understandable when you take into account the recent history of the sport.

I just hope this gets all resolved soon, more rigorous testing is put in place in Colombia and I also hope that we, the fans, get more explanation than a simple "nothing happened" or "he doped" message in a few weeks.

it's not an issue at all. I guess you don't know how the bio passport works. there si almost no testing anyway wherever you train because the bloodvalues are always in check and need testing only when abnormalities are in place, which happened with henao (internally)
 
BSkyB is unhappy about their Team Sky sponsorship and Brailsford and his management are for sure being questioned.
that's what Dim said a few pages ago.

that's the troubling thing. one of the biggest teams, whose future and budget seemed certain and assured for years, is now under huge pressure from its backers.
British Sky Broadcasting, and the British public and fans, did buy all the talk and "clean cycling"
the fans are still buying it. BskyB a little less.
I guess that's (the clean cycling fairy tale) the only way Team Sky can get the $$$ from BSkyB
after reading a few of the 25000 pages of this thread :D maybe someone from BSkyB asked a few questions to Brailford.

Team Sky was also looking for a new media officer...
 
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pastronef said:
BSkyB is unhappy about their Team Sky sponsorship and Brailsford and his management are for sure being questioned.
that's what Dim said a few pages ago.

that's the troubling thing. one of the biggest teams, whose future and budget seemed certain and assured for years, is now under huge pressure from its backers.
British Sky Broadcasting, and the British public and fans, did buy all the talk and "clean cycling"
the fans are still buying it. BskyB a little less.
I guess that's (the clean cycling fairy tale) the only way Team Sky can get the $$$ from BSkyB
after reading a few of the 25000 pages of this thread :D maybe someone from BSkyB asked a few questions to Brailford.

Team Sky was also looking for a new media officer...

lol if you think anyone isnide cycling even reads this blubber
 
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Arnout said:
It's a weird story. It's not out of the question Henao doped. In that case October blood values might've been lower than normal because it was the off-season. Even though I fully understand all Colombians wanting to train back in their country (who wouldn't want that), but the lack of testing there is an issue and it's no surprise that questions arise when their level is high after they return to Europe. I'm not saying that they're doping when they go back, but it is a possibility and we can't know without reliable testing. That needs to be fixed as soon as possible, as to not get into a situation where riders can't go back to their country and family anymore without fans asking questions.

On the other hand, this situation is seriously weird. Perhaps weirdest of all is the reaction of the UCI. They react in the "whatever floats your boat" way, giving the impression that they couldn't care less what happens with Henao. This is puzzling, one would expect a harsher reaction if there is reason to belief he violated their rules and if he didn't, I would've wanted a condemnation of Sky's policy of banning him without reason.

The decision of Sky to only release a statement now is understandable, if a bit naive. If this is solely an internal investigation and they expect doubts to clear up in a couple of weeks, it's normal that they don't want negative attention on a rider in today's toxic environment: negative attention on said rider could jeopardize his career without reason. There's no doubt that, with all their history, this is not good PR for Sky whatever way you look at it. Or maybe it is, as they apparently take riders having questionable values seriously. However, without more transparancy on their part it's hard to judge their actions.

Then there is the decision of Henao's manager (I assume with authorization from Sergio himself) bringing out this news himself, via a somewhat credible news outlet. What does this mean: do they think Sky's action are based on nothing, do they want to break contract before the investigation brings up facts they want to hide or is it simply a misunderstanding?

Overall, it's really hard to figure out what's going on and all the people here jumping unto conclusions (whatever these are) are too fast with that, although it is understandable when you take into account the recent history of the sport.

I just hope this gets all resolved soon, more rigorous testing is put in place in Colombia and I also hope that we, the fans, get more explanation than a simple "nothing happened" or "he doped" message in a few weeks.

Excellent post.
 
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that's why put the smiley. they don't read here, but the rumours and talks fly over the interwebs

They do read here, hence Wiggin's statement about "boneidle w@#ker$" and "c@#ts".

What was it Armstrong called the Clinic, an "echo chamber"? Same "12 people posting"...

2013, 5th fastest tour ever. Within 1km/hr of the fastest ever. Doesn't take much imagination to understand why.
 
pastronef said:
BSkyB is unhappy about their Team Sky sponsorship and Brailsford and his management are for sure being questioned.
that's what Dim said a few pages ago.

that's the troubling thing. one of the biggest teams, whose future and budget seemed certain and assured for years, is now under huge pressure from its backers.
British Sky Broadcasting, and the British public and fans, did buy all the talk and "clean cycling"
the fans are still buying it. BskyB a little less.
I guess that's (the clean cycling fairy tale) the only way Team Sky can get the $$$ from BSkyB
after reading a few of the 25000 pages of this thread :D maybe someone from BSkyB asked a few questions to Brailford.

Team Sky was also looking for a new media officer...

Always the dichotomy of team management.

The owners want results but not with the negative publicity.

But to get results you have to "prepare". And with that comes questions.

Sky get themselves into the trouble they do with this "ZTP" thing. They bring it all on themselves pretending to be monistic about their existence of cleanness.

Look at BMC and Ballan. Who gives a sh!t, that they have him and Och. Mainly by the fact they don't preach to everyone about being clean.
 
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2013, 5th fastest tour ever. Within 1km/hr of the fastest ever. Doesn't take much imagination to understand why.


If I get quoted in the clinic, does that mean I am part of "the clinic 13": exciting.
 
Arnout said:
.... we can't know without reliable testing.

The IOC sports like the UCI sell the bio-passport as the most sophisticated anti-doping system ever. And it is. Except when the UCI won't process a positive. Except when the UCI won't touch longitudinal positives in grand tours. The anti-steroid passport is coming online soon too.

This notion that ** testing itself ** isn't reliable is wrong. It's the anti-doping authorities hiding positives. No more money needed. Process some positives, we know they are just sitting in the APMU.

Arnout said:
. Perhaps weirdest of all is the reaction of the UCI. They react in the "whatever floats your boat" way, giving the impression that they couldn't care less what happens with Henao.

As long as there is no doping controversy, they don't care. The UCI is bending over backwards to keep the Sky/BC program going.

Arnout said:
.Then there is the decision of Henao's manager (I assume with authorization from Sergio himself) bringing out this news himself, via a somewhat credible news outlet. .

JTL got forcibly ejected by Braislford as soon as doping controversy arose. Henao handled this very well. The questions are about Sky and the UCI this time, not so much about Henao.


Arnout said:
also hope that we, the fans, get more explanation than a simple "nothing happened" or "he doped" message in a few weeks.

Probably not. Nothing happened. There is no positive.