Sky riders dropping out of races left right and centre.
Has a new test (aicar) come on stream and Cookson has tipped off Sky?
Has a new test (aicar) come on stream and Cookson has tipped off Sky?
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hfer07 said:...Now "G" and Eisel out of tomorrow's DDV .......
hmmmm....
sniper said:in december 2013 a german lab made a bit of a breakthrough in testing for AICAR.
perhaps a stretch, but could it be that they've just started testing for aicar?
sniper said:crackpot theory:
are sky being tipped off on when and where the new AICAR tests are being carried out?
edit: lol, great minds think alike
red_flanders said:It's well established that teams have been tipped off by testing agencies/UCI before, so I'd stop well short of calling it "crackpot".
"Unfounded" might be a lot more accurate. But I guess that's not insulting enough?
More Strides than Rides said:My teammate is 5'7". One week before a major championship, he (said) he lost 20 pounds from 160 to 140. He was pretty chubby before, and may have just been rounding off, but still, even 15 pounds is a significant drop.
Dear Wiggo said:Wiggo did not have 13 kg of fat to lose from an 82kg body. He lost muscle. You can't decide which part of your body loses muscle.
CycloAndy said:You are correct on both counts and I fear also potentially in your conclusion. However, in order to put both sides of the argument across, it is possible to lose a lot of weight across all body parts, then bulk up one area specifically. Thereby, making it theoretically possible to lose weight without losing leg power.
Dear Wiggo said:"bulk up one area specifically" whilst training for the Tour de France via endurance training (5-6 hours / day) clean? For a rider who has ridden on the road for a good number of years already?
I'd like to see the physiological process behind that.
CycloAndy said:It is also of course possible, and perhaps more sensible, to do it the other way round. Over-bulk one area (I.e the legs), then lose a lot of weight including on the legs. Which would still leave a high power to weight ratio.
CycloAndy said:It is also of course possible, and perhaps more sensible, to do it the other way round. Over-bulk one area (I.e the legs), then lose a lot of weight including on the legs. Which would still leave a high power to weight ratio.
King Boonen said:I'm fairly sure this is technically what every cyclist ever has done, maybe Forstermann will start challenging Froome next year?
CycloAndy said:Depends on the level they do it to though. Wiggo pre-2012 tour and Froome pre-2013 Tour were, by all accounts, visibly more anorexic in the upper body department than 99% of riders. Wiggo 2014 = visibly fatter and less capable. Probably because the dedication it takes to get that level of weight loss (with or without doping) is immense. Which is why Forstermann and even more plausible riders won't all be capable/willing to do it.
CycloAndy said:Depends on the level they do it to though. Wiggo pre-2012 tour and Froome pre-2013 Tour were, by all accounts, visibly more anorexic in the upper body department than 99% of riders.
DirtyWorks said:What year is this? We're back to "determination" being the deciding factor in a grand tour podium. Those other 10 guys behind Sky weren't determined.
Dear Wiggo said:200 riders at the Tour means they were the skinniest of all bar one?
"All accounts" seems rather nebulous? Do you have anything a little more concrete?
In the old days they used to photograph riders on medical type beds as they were given a pre-Tour medical, with their HR and weight etc noted. They all looked as upper body anorexic as each other. "Anorexic upper body" is not a trait I believe Sky can claim as their own, sorry.
CycloAndy said:... Which would still leave a high power to weight ratio.
DirtyWorks said:Updates on how/why ASO benefitted from Sky/BC winning the TdF.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/aso-set-to-sign-deal-for-new-yorkshire-race That's a 2HC classification for a race that's never been run.
27 million pound budget claimed for the 2014 TdF stages: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26679085
A year ago, the budget was claimed to be 21 million. http://road.cc/content/news/89262-g...contribution-2014-tour-de-france-grand-départ
Let's check on Corsica's grand depart:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/raci...sica-approves-2013-tour-de-france-start-55634
2 million euro budget to host the event. My wild guess was that number is more like 4 million. In the same article Corsica also pays to host Criterium International for a few years. And now? Criterium International may be the name of the Yorkshire event.
DirtyWorks said:Updates on how/why ASO benefitted from Sky/BC winning the TdF.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/aso-set-to-sign-deal-for-new-yorkshire-race That's a 2HC classification for a race that's never been run.
27 million pound budget claimed for the 2014 TdF stages: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26679085
A year ago, the budget was claimed to be 21 million. http://road.cc/content/news/89262-g...contribution-2014-tour-de-france-grand-départ
Let's check on Corsica's grand depart:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/raci...sica-approves-2013-tour-de-france-start-55634
2 million euro budget to host the event. My wild guess was that number is more like 4 million. In the same article Corsica also pays to host Criterium International for a few years. And now? Criterium International may be the name of the Yorkshire event.
DirtyWorks said:Updates on how/why ASO benefitted from Sky/BC winning the TdF.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/aso-set-to-sign-deal-for-new-yorkshire-race That's a 2HC classification for a race that's never been run.
27 million pound budget claimed for the 2014 TdF stages: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26679085
A year ago, the budget was claimed to be 21 million. http://road.cc/content/news/89262-g...contribution-2014-tour-de-france-grand-départ
Let's check on Corsica's grand depart:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/raci...sica-approves-2013-tour-de-france-start-55634
2 million euro budget to host the event. My wild guess was that number is more like 4 million. In the same article Corsica also pays to host Criterium International for a few years. And now? Criterium International may be the name of the Yorkshire event.