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deeno1975 said:
Contador was more interested with messing with Froome's head than winning overall. He soft pedaled with Froome and tried to get the Sky train to ride for him. I don't think loosing the Daupine will overly worry Contador.

Note to Froome, don't give your competitors more ammo to dislike you by mocking them in your book.
Given that they neutralised after Froome's crash, and I would guess that would come principally from Contador, I think you're making a big assumption. Contador had no doms, he probably thought Froome was in better shape and was waiting for him to attack, which he never did.
 

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GuyIncognito said:
Hinault always said. 'When feeling weak, attack'
I can't recall a single time it worked for him :D
Hinault never felt weak.

He either felt strong enough to kill you, or strong enough to butcher you whole village, and then kill you.
 
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Catwhoorg said:
So they actually got the team tactics right on the day.

I thought Sky was bad at that :D
Shows that they may finally be learning. That said their tactics was pretty poor right up until yesterday's stage, but without that crash Froome would have probably still won.
 
the sceptic said:
The thought crossed my mind that Froome actually believes himself to be clean. Either that or he is the most arrogant person I have ever seen.
Nah, froome's denials are really nothing special in their passion. Im clean, i cant see how I can be cleaner. Im not lance. Lance cheated, I don't.

Pretty much what any run of the mill liar doper says.
 

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red_flanders said:
Yeah, no question. I think Froome was feeling it. And it's the Dauphine, not the Tour. He'll be back full force for the Tour.
Tend to agree to a point. Still think Berti's stronger.

But Froome who was dropped, and then REALLY dropped in the last two stage, also won the TT by a clear margin, and pulled Berti all the way to stage 2 and still won. Not close to the same rider - something happened. Obvious, though not certain, answer is the crash.
 
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Either that crash or very poor pacing. The latter seems unlikely, unless he went far too into the red trying to break Bertie on stage 2. It looked like stupid racing then, although it was one hell of a spectacle, watching the pair of them, and their contrasting styles, go toe to toe.

The weak link in Sky looks like Porte. He looks a long way behind last season's form.
 
The Hitch said:
Yesterday was very good tactics from Sky.

First time Ive ever seen it. Up to now they have been the most tactically inept team in all sport by a wide margin, but yesterday was different.
If they wanted a stage win, why did Sky chase so much behind, and why did Porte drop back? What did they tactically win from that?
 
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Netserk said:
If they wanted a stage win, why did Sky chase so much behind, and why did Porte drop back? What did they tactically win from that?
Think its more that they had a Plan B. Clearly they tried at least with Froome, but did so without burning up their doms, instead sending them up the road, possibly with a view to Froome bridging to them, but then when he couldn't Porte went back and Nieve for the win.

Or it could have been dumb luck.
 
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Pack Fodder said:
Hinault never felt weak.

He either felt strong enough to kill you, or strong enough to butcher you whole village, and then kill you.
Except when he did feel weak.

Example, 1984 Tour. Recovering from a knee injury, far from his best, against a top form Fignon, he kept attacking, cracking, losing minutes, stage after stage.

And every time he justified it like that. 'When I feel weak, I attack'
It's a bit like Pickett's charge, noble but incredibly stupid.
 
Jul 21, 2012
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2012 and 2013: 6 month peak without anyone getting sick or fatigued ever, while looking like skeletons.

2014: everyone dropping like flies with all kinds of diseases.

Most strange.
 
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the sceptic said:
2012 and 2013: 6 month peak without anyone getting sick or fatigued ever, while looking like skeletons.

2014: everyone dropping like flies with all kinds of diseases.

Most strange.
Wonder does the program have a limited life span? 1 or 2 years max before riders health starts to suffer.

Although with Wiggins, i think he is done with the sport pretty much and DNGAF.
 
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Benotti69 said:
Wonder does the program have a limited life span? 1 or 2 years max before riders health starts to suffer.

Although with Wiggins, i think he is done with the sport pretty much and DNGAF.
Could be. It certainly doesnt look healthy.

Should be interesting to see how long the Dawg will last. Maybe he is starting to break down too.
 
Benotti69 said:
Wonder does the program have a limited life span? 1 or 2 years max before riders health starts to suffer.

Although with Wiggins, i think he is done with the sport pretty much and DNGAF.
It seems clear that whatever the program, Wiggins wasn't interested in doing it anymore after 2012, at least for a while, spawning the new finding that "you have to put weight on to TT". You may be on to something.
 
Benotti69 said:
Wonder does the program have a limited life span? 1 or 2 years max before riders health starts to suffer.
Trolling body building forums, there are modern PED's that will have a permanent negative impact in exchange for a temporary gain. I'm definitely not confident the explanation as easy as that. I agree with red_flanders.

Only Sir Brad knows the story.
 
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Benotti69 said:
Wonder does the program have a limited life span? 1 or 2 years max before riders health starts to suffer.
Catabolic steroids depress the immune response. That's their whole point, reduce the inflammation, hence their use in inflamed muscle tissue injuries, or asthma (inflamed bronchial smooth muscle).

You depress the immune response too often, for too long, and presumably you start screwing up the body's natural defense mechanisms. Ie the speed and intensity of the body fighting infections by itself, naturally, will decrease.

So no wonder after a good year or two of an intensive catabolic steroid regime these guys are getting sick a lot of the time. Even more so with their low body weights and cold rainy races early in the season.
 
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red_flanders said:
It seems clear that whatever the program, Wiggins wasn't interested in doing it anymore after 2012, at least for a while, spawning the new finding that "you have to put weight on to TT". You may be on to something.
my guess is wiggo's ol lady told him to take it easy and gain some friggin weight so that she can rest her head on his shoulder again, rather than on his shoulder bone.
 
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red_flanders said:
It seems clear that whatever the program, Wiggins wasn't interested in doing it anymore after 2012, at least for a while, spawning the new finding that "you have to put weight on to TT". You may be on to something.
If this is the case it will mean they will be churning through riders every few years or they will become a team with riders that target 1 maybe 2 races a season! Where have we seen that before.........
 
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Transparency

The transparency that they claim to hold so dearly is the joke of the century..

What does transparency means if the still wear black armour behind it....?

Nothing...


Now THIS is transparency ;)

 
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Benotti69 said:
Although with Wiggins, i think he is done with the sport pretty much and DNGAF.
I think he still has his eye on the World ITT and another tilt at the Olympics, but it certainly looks like he's not really up for further long campaigns away from home on the road.
 
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Team Sky ‏@TeamSky · 2m
Sergio Henao was involved in a training accident and will not compete in today’s TT. He is being assessed by team doctor. Details to follow.



WHAT DOES THIS MEAN????
 
Jul 21, 2012
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TailWindHome said:
Team Sky ‏@TeamSky · 2m
Sergio Henao was involved in a training accident and will not compete in today’s TT. He is being assessed by team doctor. Details to follow.



WHAT DOES THIS MEAN????
He clearly faked the crash to avoid getting tested.
 

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TailWindHome said:
Team Sky ‏@TeamSky · 2m
Sergio Henao was involved in a training accident and will not compete in today’s TT. He is being assessed by team doctor. Details to follow.



WHAT DOES THIS MEAN????
It means he was involved in an accident, is hurt and wont compete.
 

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