Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[mrhender]

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Poels trained with Froome in SA this winter marginally improving the marginal gains achieved by just putting on the Sky shirt.

And all the other teams suffer from marginal pains.........

 

[Franklin]

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Poels trained with Froome in SA this winter marginally improving the marginal gains achieved by just putting on the Sky shirt.

And all the other teams suffer from marginal pains.........

Except those with the help of mr. Taus who manage to keep up a decent fight. Sorry, that Quick Step can actually employ Taus makes my blood boil. WTF is wrong with the UCI and WADA????

They are simply not even trying to have a clean sport.

 

[mrhender]

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Poels trained with Froome in SA this winter marginally improving the marginal gains achieved by just putting on the Sky shirt.

And all the other teams suffer from marginal pains.........

Except those with the help of mr. Taus who manage to keep up a decent fight. Sorry, that Quick Step can actually employ Taus makes my blood boil. WTF is wrong with the UCI and WADA????

They are simply not even trying to have a clean sport.

Yes,

Right now in headquarters of SKY/Quickstep they are planning a new operation.

It's called: Operation Wipe The Smug Off Our Faces...

On second thought maybe not... They hardly care....

The joke's on everyone...

 

[Franklin]

Oh don't worry. Saxo will be fine. And if Astana survives the hooplah I'm sure they will be marginally improving as well.

I also have great faith in the capability of BMC to compete in this clean playing field.

And do not forget about Nairo who under the mentorship of esteemed colleague Piti will be finiding his good legs right in time.

FFS. This post of mine has more meat and bones than that whole CIRC farce.

 

[sniper]

good posts, Franklin.

As for South Africa, I seem to remember some (banned?) doping doctor (or simply a very dodgy doc) operating from there, but I can't put a name to the memory. Anybody? (mind, i could be mistaken)

 

[Mr.White]

If Poels beat Contador, Quintana, Uran, etc tomorrow, I rest my case. it's better to watch classics only then...

 

[alspacka]

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If Poels beat Contador, Quintana, Uran, etc tomorrow, I rest my case. it's better to watch classics only then...

Sure, and when Thomas podiums Roubaix/Ronde, after gifting the win to sir W, confirming himself as the best all rounder in the peloton, you'll have to quit all together.

 

[Mr.White]

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If Poels beat Contador, Quintana, Uran, etc tomorrow, I rest my case. it's better to watch classics only then...

Sure, and when Thomas podiums Roubaix/Ronde, after gifting the win to sir W, confirming himself as the best all rounder in the peloton, you'll have to quit all together.

If that happens I will..

 

[deeno1975]

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If Poels beat Contador, Quintana, Uran, etc tomorrow, I rest my case. it's better to watch classics only then...

Sure, and when Thomas podiums Roubaix/Ronde, after gifting the win to sir W, confirming himself as the best all rounder in the peloton, you'll have to quit all together.

If that happens I will..

If that happens Nutella will go out of business and pillow companies shares will rocket... Something seriously rotten going on, the gewiss team of 1994 are starting to look like weekend warriors beside this lot!!

The press room must be starting to look over their shoulders. Poor bike handling, poor tactics, but fire enough horse power into it and it'll be alright.

 

[zlev11]

it's pretty amusing how this thread has gone from anger and laughter at how ridiculous Sky is to just plain sadness and despair as they trounce every stage race they touch

 

[The Hitch]

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If Poels beat Contador, Quintana, Uran, etc tomorrow, I rest my case. it's better to watch classics only then...

Sure, and when Thomas podiums Roubaix/Ronde, after gifting the win to sir W, confirming himself as the best all rounder in the peloton, you'll have to quit all together.

If that happens I will..

You guya may laugh but the funny thing is that in early 2009 either bradley wiggins or chris froome so much as podiuming the tdf let alone both doing it together and both winning it, was far more ridiculous and unlikely to happen than any of the joke scenarios offered.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

Could somebody please remind me why they didn't have any success with EBH?????

 

[Ferminal]

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If Poels beat Contador, Quintana, Uran, etc tomorrow, I rest my case. it's better to watch classics only then...

Poels will win AGR.

 

[Netserk]

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If Poels beat Contador, Quintana, Uran, etc tomorrow, I rest my case. it's better to watch classics only then...

Poels will win AGR.

Flèche Wallonne more likely, no?

I don't think Poels is powerful enough for Cauberg. Not against Phil who is looking fine atm.

 

[sniper]

Uli Fluhme @ulif · Mar 12

caught myself swearing out loud while listening “@PaulKimmage: 40 min interview with Brailsford on CIRC.[...] Joke.

http://thecyclingpodcast.com/podcast/7-dave-brailsford-reacts-to-cyclings-doping-report

 

[Franklin]

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Could somebody please remind me why they didn't have any success with EBH?????

Take your pick of the following. Doping is not a 100% guaranteed fantastic season. A doped rider still gets ill and can be injured.

- Bad luck
- Illness
- Injury
- Motivation
- Personal issues
- Bad fit in the team
- Fill in other reason.

Lack of succes is not an indicator of not doping. It's not even an indicator of something dramatical. sometimes it simply won't click.

This is why I'm not surprised Froome simply did catch something when he droped out in the T-A. These things happen even to these chemical addled robot riders. If they wanted to hide something it's easier not to start at all and be replaced by another robot.

 

[the sceptic]

Well this looks like it's going to be an awful year of cycling. I guess the french police is the last hope.

 

[ebandit]

wot? wheelsuckers winning at liege again...........................or have the french police really entered the tour............roll on the real races such as roubaix

Mark L

 

[neineinei]

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2995151/New-expert-opinion-Servais-Knaven-s-0-7-EPO-level-Team-Sky-won-t-accept-known-causes-reading-damaged-kidneys-taking-EPO.html

Mail on Sunday wasn't done with the Knaven story

* EPO expert Robin Parisotto told the MoS: ‘The only known causes of such a low EPO level in blood [0.7] is either due to significant renal damage ... or the current and previous administration of recombinant [banned] EPO’

* Team Sky said the new medical opinion doesn't change their position on Knaven, who maintains his innocence and is a valued member of Team Sky

 

[the sceptic]

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http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2995151/New-expert-opinion-Servais-Knaven-s-0-7-EPO-level-Team-Sky-won-t-accept-known-causes-reading-damaged-kidneys-taking-EPO.html

Mail on Sunday wasn't done with the Knaven story

* EPO expert Robin Parisotto told the MoS: ‘The only known causes of such a low EPO level in blood [0.7] is either due to significant renal damage ... or the current and previous administration of recombinant [banned] EPO’

* Team Sky said the new medical opinion doesn't change their position on Knaven, who maintains his innocence and is a valued member of Team Sky

so he either had kidney failure or doped with EPO?

Shouldn't be too hard to prove his innocence then. Surely he must have visited a hospital at some point to treat his condition.

 

[sniper]

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http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2995151/New-expert-opinion-Servais-Knaven-s-0-7-EPO-level-Team-Sky-won-t-accept-known-causes-reading-damaged-kidneys-taking-EPO.html

Mail on Sunday wasn't done with the Knaven story

* EPO expert Robin Parisotto told the MoS: ‘The only known causes of such a low EPO level in blood [0.7] is either due to significant renal damage ... or the current and previous administration of recombinant [banned] EPO’

* Team Sky said the new medical opinion doesn't change their position on Knaven, who maintains his innocence and is a valued member of Team Sky

so he either had kidney failure or doped with EPO?

Shouldn't be too hard to prove his innocence then. Surely he must have visited a hospital at some point to treat his condition.

it's perhaps interesting that parisotto supports the accusations, as it puts a bit more heat on cookson/sky.

some urgent questions posed in the article:

Question 1

The world’s leading blood expert on EPO, Robin Parisotto, has examined the paperwork from Reims. Parisotto invented the first blood tests to detect EPO and sits on the biological passport panel of the UCI. He says the testing Francoise Bressolle did on Knaven’s blood remains credible, concluding: ‘The only known causes of such a low EPO level in blood is either due to significant renal damage where the kidneys cannot sustain normal production of natural/endogenous EPO and/or the current and previous administration of recombinant EPO.’

Did Servais Knaven have renal damage at the Tour de France in 1998? If not, what is his own explanation for that EPO reading, which he did not contest as accurate in a signed police statement in 1998?

Question 2

Servais Knaven’s urine from July 28 1998 showed irregular levels of a banned drug, cortisone. In signed contemporaneous statements he said he ‘did not contest’ the presence in his samples of numerous substances, cortisone included. His explanation was he didn’t know how they got there.

Would Team Sky today, with a zero-tolerance policy, accept the rider’s explanation ‘I don’t know how it got there’ as a valid defence?

Question 3

Who are the three ‘independent world-class’ experts cited in Team Sky’s statement of March 7 who say the court documents are no proof of doping?

Question 4

The evidence provided last week by the MoS, and studied by these experts, was accepted as valid in a criminal court case where three defendants were given prison sentences in verdicts, never appealed. On what specific, scientific basis did these three experts reject this evidence?

Question 5

Dave Brailsford said on The Telegraph’s cycling podcast last week that the experts, paid by Team Sky, did not know Servais Knaven’s name when analysing the papers. Is it true the experts didn’t know the papers related to Knaven? (His name appears across the papers) If so, why not?

Question 6

Knaven explicitly told police in 1998 he had no medical conditions requiring treatment with prescription drugs, yet admitted use of one prescription drug, Persantin — a blood thinner — and tested positive for another, Naftidrofuryl. The latter is used by heart patients. Knaven said in 1998 he’d never heard of it, but now admits he used it. Why the apparent contradictions?

Question 7

Team Sky say they were unaware until last week of the contents of the police statements relating to Servais Knaven from 1998 and of various findings during that Tour, including products in his room and system. You now know about the court documents in Reims. Will you go to review them?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2995151/New-expert-opinion-Servais-Knaven-s-0-7-EPO-level-Team-Sky-won-t-accept-known-causes-reading-damaged-kidneys-taking-EPO.html#ixzz3USImmjX0
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[Franklin]

No worries, Knaven will either be thrown under the bus. "New evidence forced us to part ways with our valued and esteemed colleague" or at the end of the year both parties will mutually decide that Knaven will be given "a chance to reorient himself and explore new career possibilities".

Seriously. Clean Sky or not, DB is a blight and should be tossed out of this sport post haste. A person in bis position with so many recorded lies and half-truths needs to be sanctioned. I know some idiots will try to defend him due to their invested fan-worship but even they know he's a liar.

 

[alspacka]

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Uli Fluhme @ulif · Mar 12

caught myself swearing out loud while listening “@PaulKimmage: 40 min interview with Brailsford on CIRC.[...] Joke.

http://thecyclingpodcast.com/podcast/7-dave-brailsford-reacts-to-cyclings-doping-report

Heard that interview. His messiah complex is getting more severe by the day I swear.

He also literally, verbatim, says they looked Knaven in the eyes. So it's fine. Move along now.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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Uli Fluhme @ulif · Mar 12

caught myself swearing out loud while listening “@PaulKimmage: 40 min interview with Brailsford on CIRC.[...] Joke.

http://thecyclingpodcast.com/podcast/7-dave-brailsford-reacts-to-cyclings-doping-report

Heard that interview. His messiah complex is getting more severe by the day I swear.

He also literally, verbatim, says they looked Knaven in the eyes. So it's fine. Move along now.

The optical test returns. Awesome. 2015 is going to get craaazy.

Now if only those Kazhaks would give up their license everything would be perfectly normal.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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No worries, Knaven will either be thrown under the bus. "New evidence forced us to part ways with our valued and esteemed colleague" or at the end of the year both parties will mutually decide that Knaven will be given "a chance to reorient himself and explore new career possibilities".

Seriously. Clean Sky or not, DB is a blight and should be tossed out of this sport post haste. A person in bis position with so many recorded lies and half-truths needs to be sanctioned. I know some idiots will try to defend him due to their invested fan-worship but even they know he's a liar.

If only it was at the Brailsford level. If only. Toss one more out in the name of cleans and replace him with someone exactly like him.

Let's not forget the management committee apparently had knowledge of test results. Was Cookson on the committee by then? I cannot keep track anymore.