Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[The Hitch]

Re: Sky

Poster asks what drugs are used. Bennoti makes a list of possible drugs. You suggest these drugs are out of date. Simple Google search as well as logic shows that these drugs are not out of date.

 

[ebandit]

.....read my posts.....don't jump in feet first

making accusations

Mark L

 

[Benotti69]

Cortisone - July 4, 2015

http://bikepure.org/cortisone-use-and-abuse-in-cycling/

Human growth hormone - Peyton Manning

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peyton-manning-human-growth-hormone_us_567f16e4e4b0b958f6599440

Steroids - Tyson Gay 2013

http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/23806237

not difficult.......... to find out.................if the list of drugs............... available to Manzano.......... are still in........... use in the Sky era....

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re:

Cortisone - July 4, 2015

http://bikepure.org/cortisone-use-and-abuse-in-cycling/

Human growth hormone - Peyton Manning

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peyton-manning-human-growth-hormone_us_567f16e4e4b0b958f6599440

Steroids - Tyson Gay 2013

http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/23806237

not difficult.......... to find out.................if the list of drugs............... available to Manzano.......... are still in........... use in the Sky era....

Lol @ the last paragraph

 

[Kokoso]

Re: Re:

I never had interest in cycling doping, but recently my interest piqued. Was just wondering, if Sky are doping what do people here suspect are the substances they use?

Well Henao's blood values are tripping the ABP, so there's ego involved, HGH, cortisone, steroids, aicar and similar.

Here's what Jesus Manzano(kelme) admitted too,

Marzano detailed the performance-enhancing drugs that he used which included several types of Erythropoietin (Eprex, Neorecormon, Epocrin (Russian EPO), Epomax), Human growth hormone, Cortisone, Geref (Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone), Neoferinon, Androgel (testosterone), nandrolone (for the winter), synthetic haemoglobin, Actovegin, as well as Oxyglobin.

There are now over 100 types of EPO and only tests for less than half of them.

Synthetic haemoglobin? What?

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

I never had interest in cycling doping, but recently my interest piqued. Was just wondering, if Sky are doping what do people here suspect are the substances they use?

Well Henao's blood values are tripping the ABP, so there's ego involved, HGH, cortisone, steroids, aicar and similar.

Here's what Jesus Manzano(kelme) admitted too,

Marzano detailed the performance-enhancing drugs that he used which included several types of Erythropoietin (Eprex, Neorecormon, Epocrin (Russian EPO), Epomax), Human growth hormone, Cortisone, Geref (Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone), Neoferinon, Androgel (testosterone), nandrolone (for the winter), synthetic haemoglobin, Actovegin, as well as Oxyglobin.

There are now over 100 types of EPO and only tests for less than half of them.

Synthetic haemoglobin? What?

perfluorocarbons, see Museeuw almost loses his leg in a Roubaix crash in the 90s, and see Mauro Gianetti of Saunier Duval almost killed himself too,

and see: chicken Rasmussen's mtb shoes and shoe box that was flown over the Atlantic by an unsuspecting 'friend/colleague/associate/fellow cyclist' nee friend, now former friend. http://cyclocosm.com/2007/07/tour-de-france-07-the-rasmussen-doping-saga-to-date/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Rasmussen

# Hemopure
#bovinehemoglobin #FTW

it may be apocryphal, it prolly is, it may well be or it may well not be, apocyphal that is,
but my understanding of the perfluorocarbons is when you inject it into the vein you then need to breathe in pure O2. @raceradio may know, I may tweet him

this place is about as good as any to insert a Dennis Hopper Frank Booth amyl nitrate gif.
cant find it, but youtube has the full clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsIMXIMBpBw

 

[Forever The Best]

Are Tramadol and ketones banned?

 

[blackcat]

Petacchi also accused of using the perfluorocarbons

 

[Catwhoorg]

Re:

Are Tramadol and ketones banned?

No, tramadol is on the watch list though.

 

[Maxiton]

Re: Re:

this place is about as good as any to insert a Dennis Hopper Frank Booth amyl nitrate gif.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Poels: The next true anointed?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/brailsford-praises-poels-after-liege-bastogne-liege-win-news-shorts/
"Wout has speed, a fantastic work ethic and showed that he is a winner,” Brailsford told de Telegraaf. “He had a great share in the Froome’s Tour victory last year. I even think that he has the qualities himself to ride for the general classification at the Tour in the future. We are therefore talking about his contract extension. ...”

 

[thehog]

Re:

Poels: The next true anointed?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/brailsford-praises-poels-after-liege-bastogne-liege-win-news-shorts/
"Wout has speed, a fantastic work ethic and showed that he is a winner,” Brailsford told de Telegraaf. “He had a great share in the Froome’s Tour victory last year. I even think that he has the qualities himself to ride for the general classification at the Tour in the future. We are therefore talking about his contract extension. ...”

I'm sure he does, along with Froome, Thomas, Wiggins, Heano, JTL and every other rider who can be a GT if they want to...

 

[Benotti69]

It is a wonder that Sky the masters of detail didn't pick up Mick Rogers heart problems............

 

[wrinklyvet]

Re:

It is a wonder that Sky the masters of detail didn't pick up Mick Rogers heart problems............

You think they did fail to "pick it up"?
What I have read on Cycling Weekly is:

The 36-year-old, who started his career with Mapei-Quickstep in 2001, was diagnosed with a malformation of the aortic valve at the start of his career.

But now, cardiac examinations identified heart arrhythmia, meaning he must bring an end to his 16-year career, ending his time at Tinkoff.

Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/michael-rogers-forced-retire-due-heart-problems-222449#rAuX3xotDHCXwTxh.99

 

[StryderHells]

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It is a wonder that Sky the masters of detail didn't pick up Mick Rogers heart problems............

They would of known about the congenital heart condition but the arrhythmia is a recent thing

"Recent cardiac examinations have identified occurrences of heart arrhythmia which have never been detected beforehand. This latest diagnosis, added to the congenital heart condition I was diagnosed with in 2001"

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

It is a wonder that Sky the masters of detail didn't pick up Mick Rogers heart problems............

You think they did fail to "pick it up"?
What I have read on Cycling Weekly is:

The 36-year-old, who started his career with Mapei-Quickstep in 2001, was diagnosed with a malformation of the aortic valve at the start of his career.

But now, cardiac examinations identified heart arrhythmia, meaning he must bring an end to his 16-year career, ending his time at Tinkoff.

Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/michael-rogers-forced-retire-due-heart-problems-222449#rAuX3xotDHCXwTxh.99

So cycling weekly confirmed Sky did not see his heart arrhythmia. Ta.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re: Re:

It is a wonder that Sky the masters of detail didn't pick up Mick Rogers heart problems............

You think they did fail to "pick it up"?
What I have read on Cycling Weekly is:

The 36-year-old, who started his career with Mapei-Quickstep in 2001, was diagnosed with a malformation of the aortic valve at the start of his career.

But now, cardiac examinations identified heart arrhythmia, meaning he must bring an end to his 16-year career, ending his time at Tinkoff.

Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/michael-rogers-forced-retire-due-heart-problems-222449#rAuX3xotDHCXwTxh.99

So cycling weekly confirmed Sky did not see his heart arrhythmia. Ta.

Maybe that arrhythmia is some type of side effect to all the "marginal gains"?

 

[StryderHells]

Re: Re:

It is a wonder that Sky the masters of detail didn't pick up Mick Rogers heart problems............

You think they did fail to "pick it up"?
What I have read on Cycling Weekly is:

The 36-year-old, who started his career with Mapei-Quickstep in 2001, was diagnosed with a malformation of the aortic valve at the start of his career.

But now, cardiac examinations identified heart arrhythmia, meaning he must bring an end to his 16-year career, ending his time at Tinkoff.

Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/michael-rogers-forced-retire-due-heart-problems-222449#rAuX3xotDHCXwTxh.99

So cycling weekly confirmed Sky did not see his heart arrhythmia. Ta.

Some Arrhythmia's can come on later in life so it's possible Rogers didn't have it while at Sky.

Or yeah they missed it

 

[samhocking]

As Rogers has stated: He has a congenital heart defect he's born with, and his condition began to deteriorate last year and was detected before the Tour Down Under, and he was pulled from the race by Tinkoff out of caution. He now has arrhythmia. Trying to blame lack of detection on a team is stupid, blaming it on doping even more stupid without any facts other than the condition itself.

 

[carolina]

Re: Re:

It is a wonder that Sky the masters of detail didn't pick up Mick Rogers heart problems............

You think they did fail to "pick it up"?
What I have read on Cycling Weekly is:

The 36-year-old, who started his career with Mapei-Quickstep in 2001, was diagnosed with a malformation of the aortic valve at the start of his career.

But now, cardiac examinations identified heart arrhythmia, meaning he must bring an end to his 16-year career, ending his time at Tinkoff.

Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/michael-rogers-forced-retire-due-heart-problems-222449#rAuX3xotDHCXwTxh.99

So cycling weekly confirmed Sky did not see his heart arrhythmia. Ta.

Some Arrhythmia's can come on later in life so it's possible Rogers didn't have it while at Sky.

Or yeah they missed it

and how many years did it take for tinkoff doctors to find it?

 

[samhocking]

Re: Re:

It is a wonder that Sky the masters of detail didn't pick up Mick Rogers heart problems............

You think they did fail to "pick it up"?
What I have read on Cycling Weekly is:

The 36-year-old, who started his career with Mapei-Quickstep in 2001, was diagnosed with a malformation of the aortic valve at the start of his career.

But now, cardiac examinations identified heart arrhythmia, meaning he must bring an end to his 16-year career, ending his time at Tinkoff.

Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/michael-rogers-forced-retire-due-heart-problems-222449#rAuX3xotDHCXwTxh.99

So cycling weekly confirmed Sky did not see his heart arrhythmia. Ta.

Some Arrhythmia's can come on later in life so it's possible Rogers didn't have it while at Sky.

Or yeah they missed it

and how many years did it take for tinkoff doctors to find it?

The congenital defect in his aorta was stable throughout his career and exists since birth. i.e. there was no Arrhythmia and so nothing anyone could detect, even if they wanted to detect it with an EKG. The congenital defect only manifested itself as Arrhythmia just before Tour down Under 2016 and was detected, you would assume pretty quickly by either Rogers or basic EKG.

 

[StryderHells]

Re: Re:

It is a wonder that Sky the masters of detail didn't pick up Mick Rogers heart problems............

You think they did fail to "pick it up"?
What I have read on Cycling Weekly is:

The 36-year-old, who started his career with Mapei-Quickstep in 2001, was diagnosed with a malformation of the aortic valve at the start of his career.

But now, cardiac examinations identified heart arrhythmia, meaning he must bring an end to his 16-year career, ending his time at Tinkoff.

Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/michael-rogers-forced-retire-due-heart-problems-222449#rAuX3xotDHCXwTxh.99

So cycling weekly confirmed Sky did not see his heart arrhythmia. Ta.

Some Arrhythmia's can come on later in life so it's possible Rogers didn't have it while at Sky.

Or yeah they missed it

and how many years did it take for tinkoff doctors to find it?

I have no idea do I? The point I was making that this one isn't on Sky as Rogers didn't have the problem whilst he rode for them

 

[samhocking]

It's congenital and often develops into something more serious later in life. 1 in 32 people have what Rogers now has. In a typical peloton you would therefore expect maybe 6 riders to later develop arrhythmia. My friend has it after cycling for 10 years and had to quit cycling. He's 48, so a little older than Rogers, but then his heart hasn't been trying to keep up with Armstrong for most of his career lol!

 

[veganrob]

What Rogers has is a bicuspid aorta. There should be a tricuspid. It is genetic. I have same but was no problem my entire life until 1.5 years ago. Prior to then was just some irregular heart beating and murmurs from blood leaking back into the heart. I raced up till 2years ago and really have no desire to do so anymore anyway. I am 62 years. There is a minimally invasive surgery now to repair valve by going in through the artery. My MD is doing it now but said I could just wait 5 more years when it is perfected and commonplace. I am running more than riding now but still do so at a pretty hard pace wheen I want with no worries.
I obviously never put the type of stress Rogers put on his heart. It probably is in his best interest to not race at pro level anymore.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

It is a wonder that Sky the masters of detail didn't pick up Mick Rogers heart problems............

You think they did fail to "pick it up"?
What I have read on Cycling Weekly is:

The 36-year-old, who started his career with Mapei-Quickstep in 2001, was diagnosed with a malformation of the aortic valve at the start of his career.

But now, cardiac examinations identified heart arrhythmia, meaning he must bring an end to his 16-year career, ending his time at Tinkoff.

Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/michael-rogers-forced-retire-due-heart-problems-222449#rAuX3xotDHCXwTxh.99

So cycling weekly confirmed Sky did not see his heart arrhythmia. Ta.

so who else, mick rogers, hayden roulsten, will walker... are there any other current peloton era riders who this?