Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[thehog]

Re: Re:

prematurely excited..

Good post Bigcog, good to have you back, no case to answer, nothing just as long as we pretend there's no doping, there's no doping.

Brailsford will clean up cycling on his own

 

[thehog]

Re:

This isn't even a UCI 'case' yet, you're all getting prematurely excited. Until CADF experts get the data they need from Henao and Sky and all sit down again to review and agree his BP is still suspicious, it can't turn into a case for the UCI anti-doping panel to answer.
I think now CADF have reviewd the BP, they'll now know the name of the rider who's data they've just reviewed. Given what happened last time after Sky handed data to CADF, there won't be a case, unless the data this time is significantly different.

Hang on, isn't that "data" what Sky promised they'd release about 2 years ago? Why would it suddenly be available now? The specialized study into attitude natives?

Lol!

 

[bigcog]

Re: Re:

prematurely excited..

Good post Bigcog, good to have you back, no case to answer, nothing just as long as we pretend there's no doping, there's no doping.

Brailsford will clean up cycling on his own

Have you missed me ? I am touched

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

prematurely excited..

Good post Bigcog, good to have you back, no case to answer, nothing just as long as we pretend there's no doping, there's no doping.

Brailsford will clean up cycling on his own

Have you missed me ? I am touched

Good work, keep it up! We believe in Sky!

 

[gooner]

Sky - Believe in Better

 

[Catwhoorg]

Re: Re:

This isn't even a UCI 'case' yet, you're all getting prematurely excited. Until CADF experts get the data they need from Henao and Sky and all sit down again to review and agree his BP is still suspicious, it can't turn into a case for the UCI anti-doping panel to answer.
I think now CADF have reviewd the BP, they'll now know the name of the rider who's data they've just reviewed. Given what happened last time after Sky handed data to CADF, there won't be a case, unless the data this time is significantly different.

Hang on, isn't that "data" what Sky promised they'd release about 2 years ago? Why would it suddenly be available now? The specialized study into attitude natives?

Lol!

I am sure they their data available.

Publishing deadlines and academic paper acceptance can drag out, (assuming they even tried) but wouldn't be an issue for a release to CADF.

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

This isn't even a UCI 'case' yet, you're all getting prematurely excited. Until CADF experts get the data they need from Henao and Sky and all sit down again to review and agree his BP is still suspicious, it can't turn into a case for the UCI anti-doping panel to answer.
I think now CADF have reviewd the BP, they'll now know the name of the rider who's data they've just reviewed. Given what happened last time after Sky handed data to CADF, there won't be a case, unless the data this time is significantly different.

Hang on, isn't that "data" what Sky promised they'd release about 2 years ago? Why would it suddenly be available now? The specialized study into attitude natives?

Lol!

I am sure they their data available.

Publishing deadlines and academic paper acceptance can drag out, (assuming they even tried) but wouldn't be an issue for a release to CADF.

You're right, the data Sky normally release to the public is about washing hands and having Dawg at 5.6 not 5.9

I'm sure that have lots of data for these special occasions, just like Hayles

 

[bigcog]

Re: Re:

prematurely excited..

Good post Bigcog, good to have you back, no case to answer, nothing just as long as we pretend there's no doping, there's no doping.

Brailsford will clean up cycling on his own

Have you missed me ? I am touched

Good work, keep it up! We believe in Sky!

I think you are going to gutted when the dawgs physiological study is published in a scientific journal.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Re: Re:

I'm sure that have lots of data for these special occasions, just like Hayles

In the opinion of their experts, the data acquired with Henao at altitude will be strong enough to cast enough doubt to avoid a sanction.

Press release later along the lines of:
" the CADF has found no case to answer after receiving the necessary explanation for anomalies identified"


Says nothing about the cleanliness or otherwise, just that the case wouldn't hold up to a CAS appeal.

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

I think you are going to gutted when the dawgs physiological study is published in a scientific journal.

Yes, 'when', but it's ok, I read on BikeRadar forum that the "2007 data" closes the questions on Froome, lol!

I think they have made their minds already cleans.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Yes, 'when', but it's ok, I read on BikeRadar forum that the "2007 data" closes the questions on Froome, lol!

I think they have made their minds already cleans.

The biggest villain is not Brailsford or Henao but Ross Tucker with his huge ego.
Apparently

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

Yes, 'when', but it's ok, I read on BikeRadar forum that the "2007 data" closes the questions on Froome, lol!

I think they have made their minds already cleans.

The biggest villain is not Brailsford or Henao but Ross Tucker with his huge ego.
Apparently

And Vayer is a PE teacher, Walsh writes awesome books full of facts

 

[kwikki]

Sky announce another marginal gain. Team issue toilet paper...

 

[Gloin22]

I never had interest in cycling doping, but recently my interest piqued. Was just wondering, if Sky are doping what do people here suspect are the substances they use?

 

[Benotti69]

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I never had interest in cycling doping, but recently my interest piqued. Was just wondering, if Sky are doping what do people here suspect are the substances they use?

Well Henao's blood values are tripping the ABP, so there's ego involved, HGH, cortisone, steroids, aicar and similar.

Here's what Jesus Manzano(kelme) admitted too,

Marzano detailed the performance-enhancing drugs that he used which included several types of Erythropoietin (Eprex, Neorecormon, Epocrin (Russian EPO), Epomax), Human growth hormone, Cortisone, Geref (Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone), Neoferinon, Androgel (testosterone), nandrolone (for the winter), synthetic haemoglobin, Actovegin, as well as Oxyglobin.

There are now over 100 types of EPO and only tests for less than half of them.

 

[The Hitch]

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never

Here's what Jesus Manzano(kelme) admitted to

was this not during pre team sky era?.....for it's relevance ya could..

just as well detail what my mother uses to speed around the shops....

Mark L

Interesting.

Do you actually have any proof that these drugs are no longer in use? And any explanation for why cyclists would suddenly stop using them?

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

never

Here's what Jesus Manzano(kelme) admitted to

was this not during pre team sky era?.....for it's relevance ya could..

just as well detail what my mother uses to speed around the shops....

Mark L

EPO introduced in late 80s early 90s is still in use today. Do you think that might be pre Sky?

But hey don't that get in the way of obfuscation

Sorry to hear about your Mother, hope she gets the help she deserves.

 

[Benotti69]

Sky have always claimed they were about marginal gains while the rest didn't.

Well Fausto Coppi was doing it long before Master of Lies Brailsford.

http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=4805.msg130909#msg130909

 

[The Hitch]

According to google, the last EPO positive in sports was 3 days ago.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Sky

Poster asks what drugs are used. Bennoti makes a list of possible drugs. You suggest these drugs are out of date. Simple Google search as well as logic shows that these drugs are not out of date.

 

[Benotti69]

Cortisone - July 4, 2015

http://bikepure.org/cortisone-use-and-abuse-in-cycling/

Human growth hormone - Peyton Manning

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peyton-manning-human-growth-hormone_us_567f16e4e4b0b958f6599440

Steroids - Tyson Gay 2013

http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/23806237

not difficult.......... to find out.................if the list of drugs............... available to Manzano.......... are still in........... use in the Sky era....

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Cortisone - July 4, 2015

http://bikepure.org/cortisone-use-and-abuse-in-cycling/

Human growth hormone - Peyton Manning

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peyton-manning-human-growth-hormone_us_567f16e4e4b0b958f6599440

Steroids - Tyson Gay 2013

http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/23806237

not difficult.......... to find out.................if the list of drugs............... available to Manzano.......... are still in........... use in the Sky era....

Lol @ the last paragraph

 

[Kokoso]

Re: Re:

I never had interest in cycling doping, but recently my interest piqued. Was just wondering, if Sky are doping what do people here suspect are the substances they use?

Well Henao's blood values are tripping the ABP, so there's ego involved, HGH, cortisone, steroids, aicar and similar.

Here's what Jesus Manzano(kelme) admitted too,

Marzano detailed the performance-enhancing drugs that he used which included several types of Erythropoietin (Eprex, Neorecormon, Epocrin (Russian EPO), Epomax), Human growth hormone, Cortisone, Geref (Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone), Neoferinon, Androgel (testosterone), nandrolone (for the winter), synthetic haemoglobin, Actovegin, as well as Oxyglobin.

There are now over 100 types of EPO and only tests for less than half of them.

Synthetic haemoglobin? What?

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

I never had interest in cycling doping, but recently my interest piqued. Was just wondering, if Sky are doping what do people here suspect are the substances they use?

Well Henao's blood values are tripping the ABP, so there's ego involved, HGH, cortisone, steroids, aicar and similar.

Here's what Jesus Manzano(kelme) admitted too,

Marzano detailed the performance-enhancing drugs that he used which included several types of Erythropoietin (Eprex, Neorecormon, Epocrin (Russian EPO), Epomax), Human growth hormone, Cortisone, Geref (Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone), Neoferinon, Androgel (testosterone), nandrolone (for the winter), synthetic haemoglobin, Actovegin, as well as Oxyglobin.

There are now over 100 types of EPO and only tests for less than half of them.

Synthetic haemoglobin? What?

perfluorocarbons, see Museeuw almost loses his leg in a Roubaix crash in the 90s, and see Mauro Gianetti of Saunier Duval almost killed himself too,

and see: chicken Rasmussen's mtb shoes and shoe box that was flown over the Atlantic by an unsuspecting 'friend/colleague/associate/fellow cyclist' nee friend, now former friend. http://cyclocosm.com/2007/07/tour-de-france-07-the-rasmussen-doping-saga-to-date/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Rasmussen

# Hemopure
#bovinehemoglobin #FTW

it may be apocryphal, it prolly is, it may well be or it may well not be, apocyphal that is,
but my understanding of the perfluorocarbons is when you inject it into the vein you then need to breathe in pure O2. @raceradio may know, I may tweet him

this place is about as good as any to insert a Dennis Hopper Frank Booth amyl nitrate gif.
cant find it, but youtube has the full clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsIMXIMBpBw

 

[Forever The Best]

Are Tramadol and ketones banned?