Welcome back. I still laugh out loud when I think of parakeets. :lol:blackcat said:this gif better work.
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That's one of the funnier gif's that I've seen lately...blackcat said:this gif better work.
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Ha ha, like a mad intellectual's stream of consciousness post. I like it.blackcat said:no one see the perverse irony about the MPs grilling Sky factotums in parliament and inquiries?
so... lets get this straight, they revel in the BoJo 2012 London Olympics and content to fly the flag of nationalism and usher in all the gold medals?
So they cheer and applaud(the politicians get their faces on podiums and rostrums like Bojo), and constituents vote them back in. And these are MPs, politicians, they have done the hard graft and gladhanding of numbers politiking and getting pre-selected then getting elected. They. Know. Where. The. Bodies. Are. Buried.
Now, when they see the tide shifting, they choose to switch sides. manifest hypocrisy.
The devil's advocate in me, actually sees the validity to support Froome, to support Wiggins, to support Brailsford, to support Bruyneel. to support Lance. Why?
Am I being hypocritical when I have potted them? Or have I just brought some Wildean drollery to some absurd imbroglio.
here is the problem, we are drilled into us, thru pedagogy and youth in the west, personal freedoms. Our autonomy, our personal property rights. When in fact, most of us have zero autonomy as Milgram demonstrated.
The entire system is predicated on suspension of disbelief. So, I may be contradicting myself here, (wrt system v personal) but, if there was this agency, you have willing sublimated your agency to believe in Lance, to believe in Nike, to believe in Sky, to believe in Froome, to believe in marginal gains, to believe in Walsh. But Walsh may be another hypocrite, or you are just too willing to believe he took down Lance and he ghosts Froome's autobiography, and Froome wrestles anacondas, and feeds them rabbits from the local kindergarten across the road.
or was it guinea pigs. heck, I aint my own New Yorker fact checking dep't am I.
ofcourse 'we' enable them. I mentioned in this post following viewtopic.php?p=2069216#p2069216, about the suspension of disbelief, and ofcourse it follows, we enable them buying 7k GBP Pinarellos kitted out with Dura-ace automatic shiftingDan2016 said:I wonder if Sky, with their vast media empire resources, have been using Artificial Intelligence via Facebook, Google, Twitter etc., to target their PR and gather their fan base. The technology is there (see Trump election, Brexit etc). Even if Sky only use it in a fairly minimal way it's possible in a relatively short time their current problems will be forgotten and they will carry on regardless with the same number of Sky-clad fanboys filling the UK roads (see Bikeradar!!).
My guess is that a number of key domestiques were also dosing kenalogue to drop those last few kilos before major stage races. It's all about power to weight ratio and watts per kilo after all.pastronef said:Kwiatkowskiyaco said:My guess is that 2 or 3 Sky riders who come off contract in 2017 ( riders Sky want to retain ) will move onto greener pastures.
G.Thomas
Kennaugh
Stannard
Landa
Kiryenka
it is lipotropin.B_Ugli said:My guess is that a number of key domestiques were also dosing kenalogue to drop those last few kilos before major stage races. It's all about power to weight ratio and watts per kilo after all.pastronef said:Kwiatkowskiyaco said:My guess is that 2 or 3 Sky riders who come off contract in 2017 ( riders Sky want to retain ) will move onto greener pastures.
G.Thomas
Kennaugh
Stannard
Landa
Kiryenka
Everyone has assumed that there was one dose of whatever it was in that Jiffy bag.
Surely with a cupboard full in Manchester the whole team didn't have extreme hayfever.....
yes but for now this kind of proof could make Sky and UK sport stop the £££ founding, but until there is no official proof, no knighthoods nor Tour wins can be taken away.blackcat said:everyone is still suppressing disbelief.
The kenakort is not the key. It is just a smoking gun for you gumshoes. This is not the key input in their doping program. The need the O2 vector techniques. They will have quite an advanced logistical enterprise. P'raps in 2012 Wiggins, Michelle Cound was running Edita Rumsas for Froome. perhaps.
So, this search for some inconsequential detail to prove 'I told you so' is but fool's errand.
And when the rest of the gc competitors, are on the same gear, but we cannot find their missing prescription for kenacort. This is almost as stupid as the PBS podcast investigation of a murder a dozen years ago with Serial. The most ridiculous thing ever. It is like an inverted New Yorker fact checking dep't in gestalt with Donald Trump's handle on the truth.
Zizek said, the wife will tolerate the husband dicking his secretary, until she sees him in flagrante with her. again, the suppression of disbelief action of self-protection.
so i invite the question: what is the difference, fluimecil no fluimecil, prescription, TUE, or not, kenacort w/o a TUE, or with a TUE, Fancy Bears or Albino Bears,
what proof do you require, do you want proof of the techniques of how they make this sausage? Aint the proof just looking at the history of cycling and using your own brain. turn on your brain peeps.
I'll have to listen back; but I don't think he mentioned Brailsford when he was dishing out the blame ?Dan2016 said:BBC Radio 5...Ex British Cycling president Tony Doyle ripping shreds out of everyone right now. Not mincing words. Brailsford, Brian Cookson, Wiggins, Freeman etc. ''Wiggins needs to stop hiding and be honest with everyone''. ''Freeman needs to not cry off sick''. ''Cookson has a lot of questions to answer''.
Full of support for good old Shane Sutton though. He's been made a fall-guy apparently. I can't work that one out but anyway...
How can 'The Mastermind' not be called to account for this?keeponrollin said:I'll have to listen back; but I don't think he mentioned Brailsford when he was dishing out the blame ?Dan2016 said:BBC Radio 5...Ex British Cycling president Tony Doyle ripping shreds out of everyone right now. Not mincing words. Brailsford, Brian Cookson, Wiggins, Freeman etc. ''Wiggins needs to stop hiding and be honest with everyone''. ''Freeman needs to not cry off sick''. ''Cookson has a lot of questions to answer''.
Full of support for good old Shane Sutton though. He's been made a fall-guy apparently. I can't work that one out but anyway...
pastronef said:yes but for now this kind of proof could make Sky and UK sport stop the £££ founding, but until there is no official proof, no knighthoods nor Tour wins can be taken away.
that´s what I am curious about. the investigation still needs to go on, and the contents of the jiffy bag made clear before Wada or Ukad can do something.
no?
the doctor would know. nice diplomatic response. nice to know that doctors are regular people who lie.ferryman said:If only I could post a hammer noise, hammering a nail inl:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bradley-wiggins-former-doctor-remains-sceptical-over-fluimucil-story
this post pastronef I filed it away in the Brits Don't Dope thread. because, as we know, what a silly question, ofcourse they don't dope. They have also left the forum and cannot now report my posts to the moderators as racist and full of profanitypastronef said:yes but for now this kind of proof could make Sky and UK sport stop the £££ founding, but until there is no official proof, no knighthoods nor Tour wins can be taken away.
blackcat said:this is the only way a doctor can operate on a full-service cycling operation.
If you have the blood-work and urine assay tests, or a gas chromatography mass spectrometer urine result, it is simple for an experienced person in this field, to work out if this is NOT NORMAL. Control sample is all the thousands of other examples they have seen.
The doctor can only work with a shield of plausible deniability. (I jokingly refer to it as implausible undeniability[sic] )
It is a Damocles sword, so when he is found out, inevitably those at the pinnacle will take the proportion and toughest scrutiny, i) he only has his implausible undeniability[sic] and ii) he may have a semblance of cover, whilst also being thrown under the bus, but those above him, as scapegoat. so those above him will seek to at once, protect, whilst also being expedient, and get him to take the proportion of the blame. We call this the bad apples maxim. There are a few bad apples. This will apply to professional equivalents and those in the respectable professional and guilds with the hippocratic oaths like medicine. He will not be prosecuted or taken before any medical guild and have a hearing to see his medical practising licence revoked. wont happen. like no banker took any heat or prosecuted by the SEC for the banking crisis. This is not how those institutions operate.
A doctor cannot keep records of something that will be self-incriminating and incriminate the team. It is a paradox.
So we should stop seeking such professional ethichs, and recalibrate the lens and realise this is a different sphere of operation. You must seek to see the indirect and circumstantial pieces of evidence, of which the greatest one is a polymath's view on the history and behaviour in the sport. If you seek to hold the doctor of a sporting team to the same context and professional expectation of the local GP or specialist doctor working in the private sector, well then... in the words of Jan Ullrich, I can't help you. You have the assessment incorrectly calibrated from the start, and no chance you can ever find the most accurate analysis at the final stage.
The suppression of disbelief goes deeper than that, does it not? It is a necessary condition for having any investment in the sport at all (or any sport), above and beyond some dialectic of doping/clean.blackcat said:everyone is still suppressing disbelief.
The kenakort is not the key. It is just a smoking gun for you gumshoes. This is not the key input in their doping program. The need the O2 vector techniques. They will have quite an advanced logistical enterprise. P'raps in 2012 Wiggins, Michelle Cound was running Edita Rumsas for Froome. perhaps.
So, this search for some inconsequential detail to prove 'I told you so' is but fool's errand.
And when the rest of the gc competitors, are on the same gear, but we cannot find their missing prescription for kenacort. This is almost as stupid as the PBS podcast investigation of a murder a dozen years ago with Serial. The most ridiculous thing ever. It is like an inverted New Yorker fact checking dep't in gestalt with Donald Trump's handle on the truth.
Zizek said, the wife will tolerate the husband dicking his secretary, until she sees him in flagrante with her. again, the suppression of disbelief action of self-protection.
so i invite the question: what is the difference, fluimecil no fluimecil, prescription, TUE, or not, kenacort w/o a TUE, or with a TUE, Fancy Bears or Albino Bears,
what proof do you require, do you want proof of the techniques of how they make this sausage? Aint the proof just looking at the history of cycling and using your own brain. turn on your brain peeps.
this is why it is not sport. sport involves the self, and an opponent. sometimes it is merely oneself. Extrinsic motivators and rewards are in no part of an authentic sport.aphronesis said:Can't skip fantasy (fans under symbolic; team player aspirations) if you're bringing on Zizek's (Lacan).