This is the same team that wasn't prepared for people looking at their 2012 Tour performance, after annihilating everybody all season and justifying it by saying "others are peaking for the Tour", and doubting it. This is the same team that flat out said they would use US Postal as an example to aspire to, and wasn't prepared for people to take that to doping innuendo. This is the same team that toasted all its puncheurs trying to lead out a sprint because they failed to spot a 1km @ 9% climb in the roadbook that is supposedly their Bible. This is the same team that honestly thought they could spin a story so blatantly false as Cope meeting Pooley clandestinely in a completely different country from where Emma was racing in a major race, that could be disproven in under 30 seconds. They've got a track record of being taken by surprise by things they really shouldn't be caught on the hop by.Dan2016 said:I'm actually a bit surprised, given the amount of preparation time they've all had, that they haven't all had a more consistent unified story. They sound like they just make the stories up with very little thought. Not a chess players amongst them I imagine.
well, it´s not easy. actually I hope no official sanction will be issued nor cash shortage from Sky. but it´s just a wish. I know they are in biiiig shyt, I am holding steady on the boards while the ship sinks, but I wish it all stays in the Clinic and on Twitter, where we know what the awful truth is. I just dont want to hear the people officially say "we told you" when-if wins and knighthoods will be stripped and Ukad, Wada and the committee will issue official news and confirmations.Irondan said:Where are all the Sky defenders?
It's a serious question, I haven't seen much of them on this thread in the past six months or so.
I'm just curious if they left the forum because of the fallout of the TUE saga or other reasons....
the problem with all of this, is that out there, there are clean riders, who don't want to dope, & when they look at the Pro ranks, & what it takes to win, they just shrug their shoulders, & say; 'fuck it, I don't want to dope, why would I even try & make it as a Pro ?'pastronef said:well, it´s not easy. actually I hope no official sanction will be issued nor cash shortage from Sky. but it´s just a wish. I know they are in biiiig shyt, I am holding steady on the boards while the ship sinks, but I wish it all stays in the Clinic and on Twitter, where we know what the awful truth is. I just dont want to hear the people officially say "we told you" when-if wins and knighthoods will be stripped and Ukad, Wada and the committee will issue official news and confirmations.Irondan said:Where are all the Sky defenders?
It's a serious question, I haven't seen much of them on this thread in the past six months or so.
I'm just curious if they left the forum because of the fallout of the TUE saga or other reasons....
it´s like Cancellara motor or Miguel EPO. we know it happened but not officially, no stripped wins etc
it´s childish I know, it´s a game, I am Italian, not even driven by national bias, neither having the Sky-love shoved down my throat every day like in UK (that´s what some UK twitter friends explained me)
one day I will understand what it took for Digger and co, the drive, the time, the energy it took for all these years to keep digging. one day I´ll open my eyes maybe.
but the level of vitriol from Digger, Hog and a few others I will never understand though, maybe that´s why I cheer Sky, for people blaming Froome on how he holds a coffee cup, for blaming him for training in S.A. where he grew up and raced and trained (while not caring about Dumoulin there) for moking Owain Doull when he was sick in January, for asking for Henao´s hospital pick saying he faked his crash, and many many other anecdotes.
what I hope is this 2011 mess won´t affect the 2017-18 season. for spite, because I want Sky to keep ruining races as the anti-sky and alberto-fans say
what would we want? katusha-astana-movi-bahrain to rule the races?
those clean teams? after the most evil and dangerous thing ever happened to cycling disappeared? naaaaaa!
I want Sky to keep racing, everyone has his own favourite doper and doped team!
I understand. so ERASE THEM ALL. katusha astana movi sky bahrain etc. tabula rasa! away with them all.keeponrollin said:the problem with all of this, is that out there, there are clean riders, who don't want to dope, & when they look at the Pro ranks, & what it takes to win, they just shrug their shoulders, & say; 'fuck it, I don't want to dope, why would I even try & make it as a Pro ?'pastronef said:well, it´s not easy. actually I hope no official sanction will be issued nor cash shortage from Sky. but it´s just a wish. I know they are in biiiig shyt, I am holding steady on the boards while the ship sinks, but I wish it all stays in the Clinic and on Twitter, where we know what the awful truth is. I just dont want to hear the people officially say "we told you" when-if wins and knighthoods will be stripped and Ukad, Wada and the committee will issue official news and confirmations.Irondan said:Where are all the Sky defenders?
It's a serious question, I haven't seen much of them on this thread in the past six months or so.
I'm just curious if they left the forum because of the fallout of the TUE saga or other reasons....
it´s like Cancellara motor or Miguel EPO. we know it happened but not officially, no stripped wins etc
it´s childish I know, it´s a game, I am Italian, not even driven by national bias, neither having the Sky-love shoved down my throat every day like in UK (that´s what some UK twitter friends explained me)
one day I will understand what it took for Digger and co, the drive, the time, the energy it took for all these years to keep digging. one day I´ll open my eyes maybe.
but the level of vitriol from Digger, Hog and a few others I will never understand though, maybe that´s why I cheer Sky, for people blaming Froome on how he holds a coffee cup, for blaming him for training in S.A. where he grew up and raced and trained (while not caring about Dumoulin there) for moking Owain Doull when he was sick in January, for asking for Henao´s hospital pick saying he faked his crash, and many many other anecdotes.
what I hope is this 2011 mess won´t affect the 2017-18 season. for spite, because I want Sky to keep ruining races as the anti-sky and alberto-fans say
what would we want? katusha-astana-movi-bahrain to rule the races?
those clean teams? after the most evil and dangerous thing ever happened to cycling disappeared? naaaaaa!
I want Sky to keep racing, everyone has his own favourite doper and doped team!
and cycling dies a little more ...
Same with Armstrong, they just disappeared. Even Bikeradar is having a hard time digesting the sludge they were feed today.Irondan said:Where are all the Sky defenders?
It's a serious question, I haven't seen much of them on this thread in the past six months or so.
I'm just curious if they left the forum because of the fallout of the TUE saga or other reasons....
She was. She finds a treasure trove of cortisone but decides against pursuing it because she didn't want to change the scope of the investigation. You could tell for years, she and Brailsford are chums. He only reason this got to where it did, was the non-Investgation of Bonor and handing over information to the GMC and the CMS Committee.sniper said:Totally.thehog said:UKAD had little to no interest in investigating, it's only once it got to the CMS level they were forced to pretend they were doing something. You can clearly see Brailsford & co. have been running rings around UKAD for years.Benotti69 said:Fully expect Freeman to claim he forgets what was in Jiffy bag and lost laptop to check his records.
Hope Freeman gets struck off, but i doubt it. Dr Bonar didn't.
But the investigation has been very weak, if at all. MPs have been the ones making ground. As usual outside forces are the ones doing the work of Anit-doping Authorities.
Sport is beyond fixing.
It was fascinating to see how uncomfortable Sapstead seemed to be whilst having to suggest wrongdoing by Team Sky.
That UKAD still haven't checked whether Freeman went to the police when his laptop was stolen is hilarious.
Sapstead had to invoke Interpol to make it seem like they're actually doing something.
Everything in her body language suggested a deeply rooted "We shall not step on any toes" attitude at UKAD.
UKAD need a pitbull, not a lapdog, running things.
Irondan said:I genuinely feel bad for the fans of Team Sky, it's too bad they all have to go through this along with the characters involved.
The good thing is that they have some great riders that are not a part of this and the season is heating up!
Sky fans have a lot to cheer for, especially when the Tour rolls around.![]()
Reading Sky's statement, it's still game on! They have an entire warehouse of kenalog to get throughSaint Unix said:What are the chances that the whole operation will come crumbling down because of this? I haven't been able to follow the case as much as I'd liked and am a bit fuzzy on the details and the severity of it all.
Nothing would please me more than a US Postal-level meltdown. Is it possible?
It's not coming down. But the credibility of Sky and BC cycling is/has been seriously damaged. The Omerta is strong. BUT, having said that, the next logical step is for Freeman and Wiggins to be put on the hot chair. It seems they are the only two who know what was in the Jiffy and how it was administered. Of course they aren't, but it seems there has been a hell of a lot of amnesia/lying going on so far. It's obvious what the Jiffy contained given, the now proven, Dr Freeman's drug repository in Manchester.Escarabajo said:I don't understand any of this. I read cyclingnews and this forum and it sounds like it is all coming down. Like the whole operation is crumbling and I turn the TV on and the next thing I see is the Sky train. So what is it?
I thought it was the same team structure, therefore is the same thing isn't it??
There is still a lot more to come, this is just the beginning. The press has already turned on Wiggins, they can see as well as we all did, that there is a massive cover up. No one liked seeing Cope hung out to dry by Wiggins, it was awful to watch. Freeman apparently is very sick, his mental health is in question. Appears Brailsford had expected him to delete the records & not tell the truth.ferryman said:It's not coming down. But the credibility of Sky and BC cycling is/has been seriously damaged. The Omerta is strong. BUT, having said that, the next logical step is for Freeman and Wiggins to be put on the hot chair. It seems they are the only two who know what was in the Jiffy and how it was administered. Of course they aren't, but it seems there has been a hell of a lot of amnesia/lying going on so far. It's obvious what the Jiffy contained given, the now proven, Dr Freeman's drug repository in Manchester.Escarabajo said:I don't understand any of this. I read cyclingnews and this forum and it sounds like it is all coming down. Like the whole operation is crumbling and I turn the TV on and the next thing I see is the Sky train. So what is it?
I thought it was the same team structure, therefore is the same thing isn't it??
Touche.DingoGuesdon said:You are expected to believe that the setup which allowed utter anihilation of opponents on the road and on track thanks to an accumulation of marginal gains was not rigorous enough to keep files on their athletes' health.Random Direction said:We are expected to believe that (a) Sky / BC did not have any copies of Dr. Freeman's records; (b) Dr. Freeman never, not even once, synced or backed up his core medical records between June 2011 and 2014; (c) Same laptop was used in 2011 as in 2014. What a joke.
Indeed.thehog said:She was. She finds a treasure trove of cortisone but decides against pursuing it because she didn't want to change the scope of the investigation. You could tell for years, she and Brailsford are chums. He only reason this got to where it did, was the non-Investgation of Bonor and handing over information to the GMC and the CMS Committee.sniper said:Totally.thehog said:UKAD had little to no interest in investigating, it's only once it got to the CMS level they were forced to pretend they were doing something. You can clearly see Brailsford & co. have been running rings around UKAD for years.Benotti69 said:Fully expect Freeman to claim he forgets what was in Jiffy bag and lost laptop to check his records.
Hope Freeman gets struck off, but i doubt it. Dr Bonar didn't.
But the investigation has been very weak, if at all. MPs have been the ones making ground. As usual outside forces are the ones doing the work of Anit-doping Authorities.
Sport is beyond fixing.
It was fascinating to see how uncomfortable Sapstead seemed to be whilst having to suggest wrongdoing by Team Sky.
That UKAD still haven't checked whether Freeman went to the police when his laptop was stolen is hilarious.
Sapstead had to invoke Interpol to make it seem like they're actually doing something.
Everything in her body language suggested a deeply rooted "We shall not step on any toes" attitude at UKAD.
UKAD need a pitbull, not a lapdog, running things.
I think there's a good chance of it melting down. They are by far the best funded pro team, and that was/is with the explicit purpose of having GB winners of the TDF, which = maximum PR exposure for Sky.Saint Unix said:What are the chances that the whole operation will come crumbling down because of this? I haven't been able to follow the case as much as I'd liked and am a bit fuzzy on the details and the severity of it all.
Nothing would please me more than a US Postal-level meltdown. Is it possible?
I agree on your sentiment towards the fans who have genuinely backed Team Sky.Irondan said:I genuinely feel bad for the fans of Team Sky, it's too bad they all have to go through this along with the characters involved.
The good thing is that they have some great riders that are not a part of this and the season is heating up!
Sky fans have a lot to cheer for, especially when the Tour rolls around.![]()
Bet FancyBears get there firstpastronef said:I won´t surrender until Digger Benotti Hog book a Ryanair flight to Athens and ask the Greek Police for the stolen laptop records
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Meh these non english speaking teams are old news. BMC and Orica are going to take Sky's spot and fly away.pastronef said:I understand. so ERASE THEM ALL. katusha astana movi sky bahrain etc. tabula rasa! away with them all.keeponrollin said:the problem with all of this, is that out there, there are clean riders, who don't want to dope, & when they look at the Pro ranks, & what it takes to win, they just shrug their shoulders, & say; 'fuck it, I don't want to dope, why would I even try & make it as a Pro ?'pastronef said:well, it´s not easy. actually I hope no official sanction will be issued nor cash shortage from Sky. but it´s just a wish. I know they are in biiiig shyt, I am holding steady on the boards while the ship sinks, but I wish it all stays in the Clinic and on Twitter, where we know what the awful truth is. I just dont want to hear the people officially say "we told you" when-if wins and knighthoods will be stripped and Ukad, Wada and the committee will issue official news and confirmations.Irondan said:Where are all the Sky defenders?
It's a serious question, I haven't seen much of them on this thread in the past six months or so.
I'm just curious if they left the forum because of the fallout of the TUE saga or other reasons....
it´s like Cancellara motor or Miguel EPO. we know it happened but not officially, no stripped wins etc
it´s childish I know, it´s a game, I am Italian, not even driven by national bias, neither having the Sky-love shoved down my throat every day like in UK (that´s what some UK twitter friends explained me)
one day I will understand what it took for Digger and co, the drive, the time, the energy it took for all these years to keep digging. one day I´ll open my eyes maybe.
but the level of vitriol from Digger, Hog and a few others I will never understand though, maybe that´s why I cheer Sky, for people blaming Froome on how he holds a coffee cup, for blaming him for training in S.A. where he grew up and raced and trained (while not caring about Dumoulin there) for moking Owain Doull when he was sick in January, for asking for Henao´s hospital pick saying he faked his crash, and many many other anecdotes.
what I hope is this 2011 mess won´t affect the 2017-18 season. for spite, because I want Sky to keep ruining races as the anti-sky and alberto-fans say
what would we want? katusha-astana-movi-bahrain to rule the races?
those clean teams? after the most evil and dangerous thing ever happened to cycling disappeared? naaaaaa!
I want Sky to keep racing, everyone has his own favourite doper and doped team!
and cycling dies a little more ...
I´m in, when does it begin?