Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[rick james]

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Lol, sky have magic pillows.....truth, everyone travels with own pillows. Not really debunking things is it, good try all the same

Who are you replying to as you failed to quote anyone in particular? I'm more inclined to believe someone that has been a vital part of both systems, the Sky team and British cycling, than anything you might have to say.

Creeping on me still I see

 

[Angliru]

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Lol, sky have magic pillows.....truth, everyone travels with own pillows. Not really debunking things is it, good try all the same

Who are you replying to as you failed to quote anyone in particular? I'm more inclined to believe someone that has been a vital part of both systems, the Sky team and British cycling, than anything you might have to say.

Creeping on me still I see

What is creepy is you thinking that a reply to any of your posts is interpreted by you as such. It appears someone isn't getting enough attention at home and has created a false reality.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Lol, sky have magic pillows.....truth, everyone travels with own pillows. Not really debunking things is it, good try all the same

Who are you replying to as you failed to quote anyone in particular? I'm more inclined to believe someone that has been a vital part of both systems, the Sky team and British cycling, than anything you might have to say.

Creeping on me still I see

What is creepy is you thinking that a reply to any of your posts is interpreted by you as such. It appears someone isn't getting enough attention at home and has created a false reality.

So now when 1 poster replies to another more than a handful of times it is considered "creeping"? Cripes!

 

[42x16ss]

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Lol, sky have magic pillows.....truth, everyone travels with own pillows. Not really debunking things is it, good try all the same

Who are you replying to as you failed to quote anyone in particular? I'm more inclined to believe someone that has been a vital part of both systems, the Sky team and British cycling, than anything you might have to say.

Creeping on me still I see

 

[Benotti69]

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Well to simply ommit/miss a £1 Million a year department from Sky's marginal gains and NDA's as marginal gains, suggests nobody actually knows what they are talking about and simply look at press releases tp plagiarise and use as 'evidence'. It's deluded.

Well JV made a statement that Don Caitlin was going to do internal testing of Slipstream riders to keep them clean at a cost of $1million a year. Myth.

That Sky allegedly spend Stg1million on marginal gains, sure they do, another myth amongst the many many many many myths from Sky.

 

[Craigee]

I would like to know what Sam thinks of the secret package fiasco. Why would Sky go to the trouble to have a British Cycling employee transport an item in a package from Manchester all the way to France via Switzerland that you can get at the closest local pharmacy? Now that really is taking marginal gains to a different level.

 

[Angliru]

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I would like to know what Sam thinks of the secret package fiasco. Why would Sky go to the trouble to have a British Cycling employee transport an item in a package from Manchester all the way to France via Switzerland that you can get at the closest local pharmacy? Now that really is taking marginal gains to a different level.

...or the shipment of EPO (or whatever it was) that they claim was delivered to British cycling by mistake.

 

[GraftPunk]

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I would like to know what Sam thinks of the secret package fiasco. Why would Sky go to the trouble to have a British Cycling employee transport an item in a package from Manchester all the way to France via Switzerland that you can get at the closest local pharmacy? Now that really is taking marginal gains to a different level.

...or the shipment of EPO (or whatever it was) that they claim was delivered to British cycling by mistake.

That was Test I believe.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Well JV made a state the Don Caitlin was going tod o internal testing of Slipstream riders to keep them clean at a cost of $1million a year. Myth.

Not sure of the source of a million dollars a year, but you're right about the link with the teflon Don:

Catlin said he was still running the antidoping programs for two professional cycling teams, Team Columbia and Garmin-Slipstream. He said those programs were going well and were easier to handle because they were not the comprehensive doping program of a single athlete.

 

[Benotti69]

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Well JV made a state the Don Caitlin was going tod o internal testing of Slipstream riders to keep them clean at a cost of $1million a year. Myth.

Not sure of the source of a million dollars a year, but you're right about the link with the teflon Don:

Catlin said he was still running the antidoping programs for two professional cycling teams, Team Columbia and Garmin-Slipstream. He said those programs were going well and were easier to handle because they were not the comprehensive doping program of a single athlete.

JV was the source.

 

[Angliru]

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I would like to know what Sam thinks of the secret package fiasco. Why would Sky go to the trouble to have a British Cycling employee transport an item in a package from Manchester all the way to France via Switzerland that you can get at the closest local pharmacy? Now that really is taking marginal gains to a different level.

...or the shipment of EPO (or whatever it was) that they claim was delivered to British cycling by mistake.

That was Test I believe.

I stand corrected.

 

[The Hitch]

Was reading something about Froome and remembered this passage from Dylan. Of course it doesn't just apply to Sky defenders, but also to Contador fans, Bolt fans, Radcliffe fans, tennis fans, football fans, in the past Armstrong fans etc, but weve seen the worst of it from Sky defenders in recent years

While them that defend what they cannot see
With a killer's pride, security
It blows the minds most bitterly
For them that think death's honesty
Won't fall upon 'em naturally
Life sometimes
Must get lonely


"Defending what you cant see" is obvious here. Fans defending athletes they never even met, like it was their own children.

But the passage also is about adding meaning to life through identities, and its clear that some of those who react most "bitterly" to the idea that some of their heroes could dope, identify their favourite athletes, with a deeper meaning to their life. "Deaths honesty" reminds me of the concept of "immortality projects" in Ernest Beckers "the denial of death". People desperate to add meaning to their lives. The way some people defend their favourite athletes it is clear it means so much to them. Like the martinvickers fellow who used to post on here, or the guy (may have been a vickers sockpuppet) who started pming threats to several Sky doubters on here. Ive seen evern worse examples on twitter, especially from this @davidwalshst account.

And life being lonely? I mean there must be some lonelyness surely to attach so much of your emotion to an athlete you never met who never heard of you? no?

 

[veganrob]

Excellent

 

[sniper]

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Excellent

Quite

 

[Craigee]

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Was reading something about Froome and remembered this passage from Dylan. Of course it doesn't just apply to Sky defenders, but also to Contador fans, Bolt fans, Radcliffe fans, tennis fans, football fans, in the past Armstrong fans etc, but weve seen the worst of it from Sky defenders in recent years

While them that defend what they cannot see
With a killer's pride, security
It blows the minds most bitterly
For them that think death's honesty
Won't fall upon 'em naturally
Life sometimes
Must get lonely


"Defending what you cant see" is obvious here. Fans defending athletes they never even met, like it was their own children.

But the passage also is about adding meaning to life through identities, and its clear that some of those who react most "bitterly" to the idea that some of their heroes could dope, identify their favourite athletes, with a deeper meaning to their life. "Deaths honesty" reminds me of the concept of "immortality projects" in Ernest Beckers "the denial of death". People desperate to add meaning to their lives. The way some people defend their favourite athletes it is clear it means so much to them. Like the martinvickers fellow who used to post on here, or the guy (may have been a vickers sockpuppet) who started pming threats to several Sky doubters on here. Ive seen evern worse examples on twitter, especially from this @davidwalshst account.

And life being lonely? I mean there must be some lonelyness surely to attach so much of your emotion to an athlete you never met who never heard of you? no?

Well said

 

[bigcog]

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Was reading something about Froome and remembered this passage from Dylan. Of course it doesn't just apply to Sky defenders, but also to Contador fans, Bolt fans, Radcliffe fans, tennis fans, football fans, in the past Armstrong fans etc, but weve seen the worst of it from Sky defenders in recent years

While them that defend what they cannot see
With a killer's pride, security
It blows the minds most bitterly
For them that think death's honesty
Won't fall upon 'em naturally
Life sometimes
Must get lonely


"Defending what you cant see" is obvious here. Fans defending athletes they never even met, like it was their own children.

But the passage also is about adding meaning to life through identities, and its clear that some of those who react most "bitterly" to the idea that some of their heroes could dope, identify their favourite athletes, with a deeper meaning to their life. "Deaths honesty" reminds me of the concept of "immortality projects" in Ernest Beckers "the denial of death". People desperate to add meaning to their lives. The way some people defend their favourite athletes it is clear it means so much to them. Like the martinvickers fellow who used to post on here, or the guy (may have been a vickers sockpuppet) who started pming threats to several Sky doubters on here. Ive seen evern worse examples on twitter, especially from this @davidwalshst account.

And life being lonely? I mean there must be some lonelyness surely to attach so much of your emotion to an athlete you never met who never heard of you? no?

Are you discussing your own doping obsession ?

 

[brownbobby]

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Was reading something about Froome and remembered this passage from Dylan. Of course it doesn't just apply to Sky defenders, but also to Contador fans, Bolt fans, Radcliffe fans, tennis fans, football fans, in the past Armstrong fans etc, but weve seen the worst of it from Sky defenders in recent years

While them that defend what they cannot see
With a killer's pride, security
It blows the minds most bitterly
For them that think death's honesty
Won't fall upon 'em naturally
Life sometimes
Must get lonely


"Defending what you cant see" is obvious here. Fans defending athletes they never even met, like it was their own children.

But the passage also is about adding meaning to life through identities, and its clear that some of those who react most "bitterly" to the idea that some of their heroes could dope, identify their favourite athletes, with a deeper meaning to their life. "Deaths honesty" reminds me of the concept of "immortality projects" in Ernest Beckers "the denial of death". People desperate to add meaning to their lives. The way some people defend their favourite athletes it is clear it means so much to them. Like the martinvickers fellow who used to post on here, or the guy (may have been a vickers sockpuppet) who started pming threats to several Sky doubters on here. Ive seen evern worse examples on twitter, especially from this @davidwalshst account.

And life being lonely? I mean there must be some lonelyness surely to attach so much of your emotion to an athlete you never met who never heard of you? no?

Are you discussing your own doping obsession ?

Oh the irony.... :lol:

 

[bigcog]

Re: Re:

Was reading something about Froome and remembered this passage from Dylan. Of course it doesn't just apply to Sky defenders, but also to Contador fans, Bolt fans, Radcliffe fans, tennis fans, football fans, in the past Armstrong fans etc, but weve seen the worst of it from Sky defenders in recent years

While them that defend what they cannot see
With a killer's pride, security
It blows the minds most bitterly
For them that think death's honesty
Won't fall upon 'em naturally
Life sometimes
Must get lonely


"Defending what you cant see" is obvious here. Fans defending athletes they never even met, like it was their own children.

But the passage also is about adding meaning to life through identities, and its clear that some of those who react most "bitterly" to the idea that some of their heroes could dope, identify their favourite athletes, with a deeper meaning to their life. "Deaths honesty" reminds me of the concept of "immortality projects" in Ernest Beckers "the denial of death". People desperate to add meaning to their lives. The way some people defend their favourite athletes it is clear it means so much to them. Like the martinvickers fellow who used to post on here, or the guy (may have been a vickers sockpuppet) who started pming threats to several Sky doubters on here. Ive seen evern worse examples on twitter, especially from this @davidwalshst account.

And life being lonely? I mean there must be some lonelyness surely to attach so much of your emotion to an athlete you never met who never heard of you? no?

Are you discussing your own doping obsession ?

Oh the irony.... :lol:

Oh don't be mistaken, I come on here for some light entertainment, particularly entertaining when you can see pseudo-intellectual statements like this. Most amusing :lol:

 

[The Hitch]

Sky haven't been caught yet and my life is fine. Can you say the same for yourself if they ever do? I'd seen plenty on the internet so weak they would go into ptsd if it was ever revealed Wiggins was anything but the archyttipical hero. The way you had to coordinate this "discussion" above doesn't say much for you either.

 

[Craigee]

The Hitch makes a great point here. I am in the racehorse industry which is well known for doping and a guy I know was a huge fan of this one horse trainer who on retirement admitted in the news papers to doping his horses for years. Well this fan of his still said the trainer didn't dope in a debate argument I had with him. Now that is called living in denial and there are plenty of cycling fans just like him. Some posting here too.

 

[zalacain]

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Sky haven't been caught yet

Only a matter of time. They are getting more like a Harry Potter story every day https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...ling-doctor-jiffy-bag-scandal-richard-freeman

 

[telencefalus]

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Sky haven't been caught yet

Only a matter of time. They are getting more like a Harry Potter story every day https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...ling-doctor-jiffy-bag-scandal-richard-freeman

Please how could you believe them , IT'S IMPOSSIBLE and make comments in the road section is really impossible too , that's why now i make joke of froome and sky in that section

 

[B_Ugli]

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The Hitch makes a great point here. I am in the racehorse industry which is well known for doping and a guy I know was a huge fan of this one horse trainer who on retirement admitted in the news papers to doping his horses for years. Well this fan of his still said the trainer didn't dope in a debate argument I had with him. Now that is called living in denial and there are plenty of cycling fans just like him. Some posting here too.

I think the kool aid drinking by Team Sky fans has been perpetuated in the UK by the sheer popularity of cycling which some quarters have described as the new Golf. Middle aged men and women discovering cycling are jumping onto a bandwagon woven into a fabric of 10k pinarellos, 1.5 k of clothing from Rapha, power-meters, oakleys and sportives, and a sport which has become hipster and trendy. Go out on the roads of Britain and this new breed of 'cyclist' spend most of their time posing outside your local Costa or 'pretending' to race sportives.

You can spot them a mile away.......they are wearing shorts when its 4 degrees c in December.

It has become 'lifestyle' and people buy into that lifestyle warts and all. Do they really care if Sky are clean? Probably not but its all about the lifestyle............aint it mate.

Nowadays 40 year old men are talking about Froomes ride on Ventoux or their strava segments in a typical UK pub rather than who will be Real Madrids next signing.

When you start to debunk the myth behind sky with such types, they will move quickly onto whether their wives should get a Range Rover Sport or Audi Q7.

 

[70kmph]

Huge covering up, nobody held responsible....

 

[samhocking]

Have you seen the report then?