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Re: Sky

macbindle said:
thehog said:
MartinGT said:
He's gonna go full Lance and sue them
At least Lance put his money where his mouth was. Wiggins is a poor mans Lance and a lot weaker, he’d never sue. To busy setting up faux charities and entering into tax avoidance schemes.
Yes because Armstrong didn't set up Livestrong did he :rolleyes:

Seems a bizarre move to compliment a sociopath purely to enable you to think up yet another post about your personal hobby horse.

Wiggins won't sue because he can't sue. The critics have been careful to keep their statements fact-based. Nothing to do with weakness, Lance or anything else.
Very true and I agree with you. I still think Wiggins is a wannabe Lance he just doesn’t have the gusto of Armstrong.
 
Like him or not, Armstrong was a phenomenon. Much stronger, much smarter, much more driven than Wiggins. Wiggins was a one-shot wonder. My personal guess is that he wasn't willing, let alone capable, to keep on living the lie that entails being a multi tour winner. Didn't have the legs either
 
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macbindle said:
Like him or not, Armstrong was a phenomenon. Much stronger, much smarter, much more driven than Wiggins. Wiggins was a one-shot wonder. My personal guess is that he wasn't willing, let alone capable, to keep on living the lie that entails being a multi tour winner. Didn't have the legs either
True. To think with the drugs that Wiggins took and a flattened out course with a load of TT miles he still wasn’t the best rider in race. That has to mess with your mind.
 
Dunno. It's a job. He had an opportunity and he took it. Did what he had to do. Made some money. Retired.

His mind is messed now, but probably because he's not getting away with what Tour winners usually get away with. Same with Armstrong x7.
 
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macbindle said:
Dunno. It's a job. He had an opportunity and he took it. Did what he had to do. Made some money. Retired.

His mind is messed now, but probably because he's not getting away with what Tour winners usually get away with. Same with Armstrong x7.
Hmmmmm. Dunno. He never appeared comfortable with his victory from the day after the 2012 Tour. The fact that Sky/Brailsford backed Froome the following year showed that they all knew Wiggins could never win a GT again. He knew it was completely staged for him 2012. He appeared much more at home winning TTs because he knew that’s what he was naturally capable of doing well in.
 
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thehog said:
macbindle said:
Dunno. It's a job. He had an opportunity and he took it. Did what he had to do. Made some money. Retired.

His mind is messed now, but probably because he's not getting away with what Tour winners usually get away with. Same with Armstrong x7.
Hmmmmm. Dunno. He never appeared comfortable with his victory from the day after the 2012 Tour. The fact that Sky/Brailsford backed Froome the following year showed that they all knew Wiggins could never win a GT again. He knew it was completely staged for him 2012. He appeared much more at home winning TTs because he knew that’s what he was naturally capable of doing well in.
That, I think, is it in a nutshell...whatever you say about Wiggins, he's always been about the glory, if he does something he's generally playing to win.

Nothing to do with doping, I just can't imagine having put his name in the record books in 2012 he'd fancy having his limitations exposed on a more traditional TDF route in 2013....even if Sky had been willing to back him again.
 
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brownbobby said:
thehog said:
macbindle said:
Dunno. It's a job. He had an opportunity and he took it. Did what he had to do. Made some money. Retired.

His mind is messed now, but probably because he's not getting away with what Tour winners usually get away with. Same with Armstrong x7.
Hmmmmm. Dunno. He never appeared comfortable with his victory from the day after the 2012 Tour. The fact that Sky/Brailsford backed Froome the following year showed that they all knew Wiggins could never win a GT again. He knew it was completely staged for him 2012. He appeared much more at home winning TTs because he knew that’s what he was naturally capable of doing well in.
That, I think, is it in a nutshell...whatever you say about Wiggins, he's always been about the glory, if he does something he's generally playing to win.

Nothing to do with doping, I just can't imagine having put his name in the record books in 2012 he'd fancy having his limitations exposed on a more traditional TDF route in 2013....even if Sky had been willing to back him again.
I'm not sure that's accurate. He was a pretty dull domestique for a long time. And throughout the first half of 2013 he was bullish about the Tour, even talking of the double.

That he did not enjoy 2012: he talks about that in a Graham Norton interview. The process was no fun, the victory was sweet. We can turn to doping and blame that, call it a case of the tell-tale heart, but there are other explanations. He obviously saw Froome as a rival after the Kenyan 'transformed' at the Vuelta but his position in the team was already undermined: Brailsford had lit a rocket under his arse at the end of 2010 over the way he worked within the team, wasn't stepping up as a leader. It was, it has been said by some, a step up or *** off moment. (Some of this is alluded to in My Time.) Call it disillusionment (Wiggins got disillusioned with every team he rode with) similar to Cav's disillusionment. I doubt any of them realised what a soulless machine Sky would be.
 
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fmk_RoI said:
brownbobby said:
thehog said:
macbindle said:
Dunno. It's a job. He had an opportunity and he took it. Did what he had to do. Made some money. Retired.

His mind is messed now, but probably because he's not getting away with what Tour winners usually get away with. Same with Armstrong x7.
Hmmmmm. Dunno. He never appeared comfortable with his victory from the day after the 2012 Tour. The fact that Sky/Brailsford backed Froome the following year showed that they all knew Wiggins could never win a GT again. He knew it was completely staged for him 2012. He appeared much more at home winning TTs because he knew that’s what he was naturally capable of doing well in.
That, I think, is it in a nutshell...whatever you say about Wiggins, he's always been about the glory, if he does something he's generally playing to win.

Nothing to do with doping, I just can't imagine having put his name in the record books in 2012 he'd fancy having his limitations exposed on a more traditional TDF route in 2013....even if Sky had been willing to back him again.
I'm not sure that's accurate. He was a pretty dull domestique for a long time. And throughout the first half of 2013 he was bullish about the Tour, even talking of the double.

That he did not enjoy 2012: he talks about that in a Graham Norton interview. The process was no fun, the victory was sweet. We can turn to doping and blame that, call it a case of the tell-tale heart, but there are other explanations. He obviously saw Froome as a rival after the Kenyan 'transformed' at the Vuelta but his position in the team was already undermined: Brailsford had lit a rocket under his **** at the end of 2010 over the way he worked within the team, wasn't stepping up as a leader. It was, it has been said by some, a step up or **** off moment. (Some of this is alluded to in My Time.) Call it disillusionment (Wiggins got disillusioned with every team he rode with) similar to Cav's disillusionment. I doubt any of them realised what a soulless machine Sky would be.
Don't disagree with most of that....but the bit about 2013, I'm not so sure that was in his head and what was coming out of his mouth were necessarily the same things....
 
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brownbobby said:
thehog said:
macbindle said:
Dunno. It's a job. He had an opportunity and he took it. Did what he had to do. Made some money. Retired.

His mind is messed now, but probably because he's not getting away with what Tour winners usually get away with. Same with Armstrong x7.
Hmmmmm. Dunno. He never appeared comfortable with his victory from the day after the 2012 Tour. The fact that Sky/Brailsford backed Froome the following year showed that they all knew Wiggins could never win a GT again. He knew it was completely staged for him 2012. He appeared much more at home winning TTs because he knew that’s what he was naturally capable of doing well in.
That, I think, is it in a nutshell...whatever you say about Wiggins, he's always been about the glory, if he does something he's generally playing to win.

Nothing to do with doping, I just can't imagine having put his name in the record books in 2012 he'd fancy having his limitations exposed on a more traditional TDF route in 2013....even if Sky had been willing to back him again.
That and a juiced Contador was coming back in 2013. Sad that we never got to see Wiggins and Dawg on Ventoux in 2013, would have been a sight to behold! :surprised:
 
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thehog said:
brownbobby said:
thehog said:
macbindle said:
Dunno. It's a job. He had an opportunity and he took it. Did what he had to do. Made some money. Retired.

His mind is messed now, but probably because he's not getting away with what Tour winners usually get away with. Same with Armstrong x7.
Hmmmmm. Dunno. He never appeared comfortable with his victory from the day after the 2012 Tour. The fact that Sky/Brailsford backed Froome the following year showed that they all knew Wiggins could never win a GT again. He knew it was completely staged for him 2012. He appeared much more at home winning TTs because he knew that’s what he was naturally capable of doing well in.
That, I think, is it in a nutshell...whatever you say about Wiggins, he's always been about the glory, if he does something he's generally playing to win.

Nothing to do with doping, I just can't imagine having put his name in the record books in 2012 he'd fancy having his limitations exposed on a more traditional TDF route in 2013....even if Sky had been willing to back him again.
That and a juiced Contador was coming back in 2013. Sad that we never got to see Wiggins and Dawg on Ventoux in 2013, would have been a sight to behold! :surprised:
Wasn't Bert complete rubbish in 2013, his bike battery flat or something? Did he add anything to his palmarès or was it a complete waste of time and Oleg's money?
 
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MartinGT said:
I just can see the Dawg getting off and sky carrying on as per with SDB walking around smug
I can see Froome dragging this out and then perhaps taking his ban after the Tour. He really doesn’t care for the rules.

Also President Lappy is meant to have new motor doping iPad app ready soon so perhaps the Dawg won’t be as potent as he has been on the past :cool:
 
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aphronesis said:
macbindle said:
Short term, for them, yes. For the sport, no.
I posed this question obliquely a few days ago: in what universe would anyone see change coming to the sport? If and when Sky go down, then what? More Astana/Gulf State versions?
* My comments are NOT directed at you ... I'm just cueing of your most relevant question. *

Obliquely ... in question and response ... is the only way to roll on this. The Western Canon ... makes great promises on right, wrong and tiidy Solutions ... but rarely keeps its promises.

What do you mean by 'change', Aphronesis? What does your vision/version of 'right' Professional Cycling look like? What is wrong with it now? After the eye roll ... what's your response?

I could be mis-reading you ... my sincere apologies, if I am ... but what's your point on Astana ... Gulf State Teams? Do they not fit into the 'neat, tidy, traditional" team type that you've come to know, love and hate? Western Canon got room for these evil dudes?

Outside of the Clinic, outside of the cynic-laden social media and scandal-fetished print/video media .... millions upon millios are enjoying professional cycling. Because of it ... they buy bikes, they ride bikes, race bikes ... create millions of cycling tourism dollars.

Maybe pro cycling is doing a 'decent' job of keeping the sport alive while balancing some inherent tricky issues of any institution where money and competition plays a major role.

Maybe we should heed the cautionary by line of the former CEO of The Clinic ... sausage 'n all. Maybe this is good as it gets.

Enjoy the Giro, man!
 
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MartinGT said:
I just can see the Dawg getting off and sky carrying on as per with SDB walking around smug
So glum, MGT. :sad:

Our dear Dawgie may well get only litely sanctioned ... but that doesn't mean that the Clinic has to stop kicking the shyte outa him all summer long, now does it? :)
 
Re: Sky

Bronstein said:
samhocking said:
I don't think anything has changed other than UKAD couldn't link the testosterone to any riders and now GMC have followed on from were UKAD ended. The story was originally Freeman accidentally ordered Testosterone iirc because he couldn't do it online, so would telephone his order through and a similar sounding product got misheard as Testosterone. That story rapidly turned into the testosterone was received in error, rather than ordered in error. Now GMC are saying Freeman did order testosterone, which is in effect what Freeman originally said happened by accident over the phone order.
It all depends on if the testosterone was an ordering error or Freeman really ordered it and the covering letter was to cover his traces as the order was opened by other staff I believe.
Who said that?
samhocking? Any source for this supposed 'story'?
 
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Re: Sky

Bronstein said:
Bronstein said:
samhocking said:
I don't think anything has changed other than UKAD couldn't link the testosterone to any riders and now GMC have followed on from were UKAD ended. The story was originally Freeman accidentally ordered Testosterone iirc because he couldn't do it online, so would telephone his order through and a similar sounding product got misheard as Testosterone. That story rapidly turned into the testosterone was received in error, rather than ordered in error. Now GMC are saying Freeman did order testosterone, which is in effect what Freeman originally said happened by accident over the phone order.
It all depends on if the testosterone was an ordering error or Freeman really ordered it and the covering letter was to cover his traces as the order was opened by other staff I believe.
Who said that?
samhocking? Any source for this supposed 'story'?
Ahh, the Toblerone cover story

A thing of joy and wonder every time that gets rolled out :lol: :lol:
 

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