Martinez just ridiculous.
Didn't managed to reel old git Caruso back though... Maybe Chris is right, time for the first disc brake TdF winner coming soon?
Martinez just ridiculous.
He got the 2020 Giro Rohan Dennis mountain-goat prep training.Martinez only dropped for optics. He could've easily have followed Bernal. The freak show goes on.
INB4 hE hAs aLwAyS bEEn a gOOd cLImBeR.
While I don’t deny that Bernal is a very talented cyclist, I just can’t take anyone from Ineos seriously, not with so many suspicious (sometimes very obviously dirty) performances since they burst on to the scene a decade ago. I don’t find them any less suspicious or downright dirty like any of the strong teams of yesteryear like US Postal, Telekom, Festina, Kelme, Once, Fassa Bortolo, Rabobank, etc.
Or the other way is if [criminal] law enforcement somehow becomes involved.I believe the only way we will see any rider caught in a big doping scandal is if they become super sloppy in their dosages and regiment while at the same time, a UCI tester is super pissed off and has a vendetta against a group of riders that he or she wants to make an example out of.
You are correct and should be suspicious. The Ineos train drilling it climbs at like 6.9 - 7.1 w/kg demonstrates that there is still systematic team doping in our sport. It will always be if you want to win , simple. Its just the drugs and the doses have been more cared for by more educated team doctors nowadays. Also , there is no one reporter like David Walsh reporting on the "not normal" rides anymore, so everything gets washed away.
I believe the only way we will see any rider caught in a big doping scandal is if they become super sloppy in their dosages and regiment while at the same time, a UCI tester is super pissed off and has a vendetta against a group of riders that he or she wants to make an example out of.
I think this is the key. Even if it doesn't go anywhere, like Arkea last year, it puts riders on notice. There are just too many ways to game the testing.Or the other way is if [criminal] law enforcement somehow becomes involved.
Micro dosing, masking agents, new techniques. I don't think the testing is systematically corrupt, per se, but more like insufficient and not screening for the latest drugs.I still don’t understand how the tests get passed though. If riders get tested immediately upon winning a stage or GT then how aren’t their values overboard or at least off from the passport? Even a quick IV in the team bus would be hard to fix the numbers to the right spot. Are the tests being handled corruptly in some way? Or is this really just micro dosing? Look at PDBF last year, shouldn’t that be an immediate pop?
Carapaz simply flying today
They are still decently strong but they can't compete with the Middle East powers. Dave probably knows what is happening right now but probably don't wanna risk it.What's going on with Ineos? Did management at Ineos tell the DS's to tone it down? Dave B not have the same sources for his "vitamins" as in previous years? Did the jiffy bag fiasco take its toll?
Ineos forgot to recruit Pog. That's their mistake.What's going on with Ineos? Did management at Ineos tell the DS's to tone it down? Dave B not have the same sources for his "vitamins" as in previous years? Did the jiffy bag fiasco take its toll?
Ok, lets not focus on Kuss than. But you could be sure that of an elite 10-15 group of climbers 5-6 were from Ineos in any GT between 2012 and 2019. When was that the case in the last 2 years? Never.Rogers and Kwiatkowski could never do what Kuss did today.
Ok, maybe other than the Foix stage in 2017 for Kwiatkowski, but that's about it.
Ok, lets not focus on Kuss than. But you could be sure that of an elite 10-15 group of climbers 5-6 were from Ineos in any GT between 2012 and 2019. When was that the case in the last 2 years? Never.
I don't think Ineos have targeted La Vuelta beyond Yates arriving in form. The team is performing at a much deeper level throughout the season now than they ever did in Wiggins days of all or nothing in Le Tour. Look at their ranking at the moment, over 2000 points ahead of Jumbo, 3000 ahead of UAE and even beating DQS to the top of the table.to me somewhere ineos are getting their tactics/preparation wrong......carapaz/bernal can
turn up as worldbeaters....at level better than old wiggo but so often falling far short with a team
that completely lacks cohesion
Mark L
You don't remember 2012 very well, do you.I don't think Ineos have targeted La Vuelta beyond Yates arriving in form. The team is performing at a much deeper level throughout the season now than they ever did in Wiggins days of all or nothing in Le Tour. Look at their ranking at the moment, over 2000 points ahead of Jumbo, 3000 ahead of UAE and even beating DQS to the top of the table.
Haven't we been complaining that you get too much points for GC placings compared to wins? Not to mention A LOT more points are given out for the races compared to before for UCI races. Also there are more races in the UCI World Tour. = more points to be gained then before.I don't think Ineos have targeted La Vuelta beyond Yates arriving in form. The team is performing at a much deeper level throughout the season now than they ever did in Wiggins days of all or nothing in Le Tour. Look at their ranking at the moment, over 2000 points ahead of Jumbo, 3000 ahead of UAE and even beating DQS to the top of the table.
# | Prev. | Diff. | Team | Class | Wins | 2nd | 3rd |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | 1 | - | Deceuninck - Quick Step | WT | 51 | 40 | 26 |
2 | 9 | ▲7 | INEOS Grenadiers | WT | 31 | 17 | 21 |
# | Prev. | Diff. | Team | Class | Points |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | 1 | - | Deceuninck - Quick Step | WT | 9980 |
2 | 4 | ▲2 | INEOS Grenadiers | WT | 9719 |
3 | 2 | ▼1 | Team Jumbo-Visma | WT | 9207 |
4 | 6 | ▲2 | UAE-Team Emirates | WT | 8015 |
5 | 11 | ▲6 | Bahrain - Victorious | WT | 7214 |
| INEOS GRENADIERS (IGD) | GBR | 11440 | ||
| DECEUNINCK - QUICK-STEP (DQT) | BEL | 10184.8 | ||
| JUMBO-VISMA (TJV) | NED | 8845 | ||
| UAE TEAM EMIRATES (UAD) | UAE | 8722.66 | ||
| BAHRAIN VICTORIOUS (TBV) | BRN | 7014 |
# | Prev. | Diff. | Team | Class | Points |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | 1 | - | Deceuninck - Quick Step | WT | 7243 |
2 | 2 | - | Team Jumbo-Visma | WT | 6170 |
3 | 6 | ▲3 | UAE-Team Emirates | WT | 6167 |
4 | 15 | ▲11 | Team Sunweb | WT | 5460 |
5 | 4 | ▼1 | INEOS Grenadiers | WT | 5403 |
| JUMBO - VISMA (TJV) | NED | 9919 | ||
| DECEUNINCK - QUICK - STEP (DQT) | BEL | 9776.16 | ||
| UAE TEAM EMIRATES (UAD) | UAE | 8503 | ||
| INEOS GRENADIERS (IGD) | GBR | 7628.33 | ||
| TEAM SUNWEB (SUN) | GER | 7582.71 |
# | Prev. | Diff. | Team | Class | Points |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | 1 | - | Deceuninck - Quick Step | WT | 9199 |
2 | 9 | ▲7 | Team Jumbo-Visma | WT | 8226 |
3 | 3 | - | BORA - hansgrohe | WT | 8097 |
4 | 2 | ▼2 | Team INEOS | WT | 7749 |
5 | 4 | ▼1 | Astana Pro Team | WT | 7557 |
| DECEUNINCK - QUICK - STEP (DQT) | BEL | 14835.15 | ||
| BORA - HANSGROHE (BOH) | GER | 14192.86 | ||
| TEAM JUMBO - VISMA (TJV) | NED | 13128.07 | ||
| UAE TEAM EMIRATES (UAD) | UAE | 11765.33 | ||
| ASTANA PRO TEAM (AST) | KAZ | 11474.5 | ||
| TEAM INEOS (INS) | GBR | 10547.08 |
# | Prev. | Diff. | Team | Class | Points |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | 1 | - | Sky Procycling | WT | 7767 |
2 | 5 | ▲3 | Movistar Team | WT | 7726 |
3 | 2 | ▼1 | Omega Pharma - Quick-Step | WT | 7202 |
4 | 3 | ▼1 | Team Katusha | WT | 7076 |
5 | 10 | ▲5 | Belkin-Pro Cycling Team | WT | 6105 |
Rank | Team | Points | Top 5 riders | WTTT |
---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Movistar Team | 1610 | Valverde (540), Quintana (366), Costa (352), Intxausti (196), J. Moreno (86) | 70 |
2 | Team Sky | 1561 | Froome (587), Porte (327), Henao (227), Urán (163), Thomas (117) | 140 |
3 | Team Katusha | 1340 | Rodríguez (607), D. Moreno (295), Špilak (199), Kristoff (161), Paolini (78) | 0 |
4 | RadioShack–Leopard | 1056 | Cancellara (384), Horner (257), Bakelants (127), Nizzolo (85), Gallopin (83) | 120 |
5 | Astana | 1045 | Nibali (474), Fuglsang (160), Kangert (116), Gasparotto (115), Hryvko (70) | 110 |
# | Prev. | Diff. | Team | Class | Points |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | 2 | ▲1 | Sky Procycling | WT | 10027 |
2 | 17 | ▲15 | Omega Pharma - Quick-Step | WT | 7824 |
3 | 12 | ▲9 | Team Katusha | WT | 7026 |
4 | 8 | ▲4 | Liquigas - Cannondale | WT | 6465 |
5 | 13 | ▲8 | Movistar Team | WT | 6457 |
Rank | Team | Points | Top 5 riders | WTTT |
---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Team Sky | 1767 | Wiggins (601), Froome (376), Boasson Hagen (317), Urán (199), Rogers (194) | 80 |
2 | Team Katusha | 1273 | Rodríguez (692), Freire (181), Kolobnev (110), D. Moreno (104), Špilak (86) | 100 |
3 | Liquigas–Cannondale | 1197 | Nibali (400), P. Sagan (351), Moser (175), Basso (88), Capecchi (53) | 130 |
4 | Omega Pharma–Quick-Step | 1162 | Boonen (410), T. Martin (171), Terpstra (160), Chavanel (113), Kwiatkowski (108) | 200 |
5 | Movistar Team | 952 | Valverde (394), Costa (320), Intxausti (47), Kiryienka (41), Castroviejo (40) | 110 |