Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[andy1234]

Yup, if I had the capacity for the skullduggery , connivance and doing "whatever it takes" so prevalent at the very top your bang on. Genuine people at the top are rare as hens teeth. They do exist though but they get by by keeping there mouths firmly shut.

Nobody claims being at the top of a highly competitive field is a pleasant place to be.

The fact that you see a lack of "genuine people" and "skullduggery" where other people see ambition and desire, kind of proves my point about the importance of support, a programme like BC provides.

It's one of the reasons sports psychologists are as prevalent as mechanics these days.

 

[Darryl Webster]

I'd rather read those books than another load of embedded fanboy guff about marginal gains and lazer like focus.

Its in the planning stage. I intend a whole life story not a hatchet job. Been asked a few times but declined. I hope there's interest cus my story isn't one that gets done often..the one about the many 1000,s of athletes who don`t quite get there and the effects on there lives after.

 

[oldcrank]

Post #4047
I've always been very open about my subsequent issues with
depression which are mostly family related and have nothing
to do with my years in cycling.
Post #4053
my story isn't one that gets told often...the one about the
1000's of athletes who don't quite get there and the effects
on there lives after.

There are people on this forum finding contradictions in what
Wiggins said in two interviews that were several years apart.
Would they be able to find a contradiction in the two posts
above? I am NOT saying there is a contradiction in the two
posts, but if some of the anti-Wiggins/Sky posters are being
honest with themselves, they must see a contradiction in
the above posts as well. I am not trying to belittle the
accomplishments or subsequent problems of any athlete,
just pointing out that the amateur dissection of interviews,
internet posts and the written word is not scientific proof
of anything.

 

[Darryl Webster]

Post #4047
I've always been very open about my subsequent issues with
depression which are mostly family related and have nothing
to do with my years in cycling.
Post #4053
my story isn't one that gets told often...the one about the
1000's of athletes who don't quite get there and the effects
on there lives after.

There are people on this forum finding contradictions in what
Wiggins said in two interviews that were several years apart.
Would they be able to find a contradiction in the two posts
above? I am NOT saying there is a contradiction in the two
posts, but if some of the anti-Wiggins/Sky posters are being
honest with themselves, they must see a contradiction in
the above posts as well. I am not trying to belittle the
accomplishments or subsequent problems of any athlete,
just pointing out that the amateur dissection of interviews,
internet posts and the written word is not scientific proof
of anything.

Depression is a life long issue within my family.
There are many other effects on a person that can come about as a result of " failure" in a sport.
No contradiction at all.

On a lighter note :,"Wiggins became the first British winner of the world’s most famous bicycle race, and an instant hero to boys finally starting to sprout a tiny amount of facial hair.
Fourteen year-old Justin Williams told us, “Just look at him, all resplendent in yellow lycra with what appear to be two small animals aside his face. He’s simply magnificent!”
“The dedication that must have gone in to get him to where he is today. Those things don’t just grow overnight, trust me, I know.”
“And it doesn’t matter what the Internet says, brushing them with milk doesn’t help one bit.”


Read more: http://newsthump.com/2012/07/23/bra...deburns-becoming-popular-again/#ixzz21SGKszVF : http://newsthump.com/2012/07/23/bra...deburns-becoming-popular-again/#ixzz21SELmA6J

 

[UlleGigo]

Post #4047
I've always been very open about my subsequent issues with
depression which are mostly family related and have nothing
to do with my years in cycling.
Post #4053
my story isn't one that gets told often...the one about the
1000's of athletes who don't quite get there and the effects
on there lives after.

There are people on this forum finding contradictions in what
Wiggins said in two interviews that were several years apart.
Would they be able to find a contradiction in the two posts
above? I am NOT saying there is a contradiction in the two
posts, but if some of the anti-Wiggins/Sky posters are being
honest with themselves, they must see a contradiction in
the above posts as well. I am not trying to belittle the
accomplishments or subsequent problems of any athlete,
just pointing out that the amateur dissection of interviews,
internet posts and the written word is not scientific proof
of anything.

Sorry mate. You lost me. Not that should take away from the fact that your argument makes zero sense. That still holds. So I suppose in a way, that the two posts you have quoted are in fact not a contradiction supports the lack of any semblences of an argument that you have managed to contruct. I assume however this wasn't your intention. But my enthusiasm for self-parody demands that I congratulate you all the same. Well done sir, you are a giant boob.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Post #4047
I've always been very open about my subsequent issues with
depression which are mostly family related and have nothing
to do with my years in cycling.
Post #4053
my story isn't one that gets told often...the one about the
1000's of athletes who don't quite get there and the effects
on there lives after.

There are people on this forum finding contradictions in what
Wiggins said in two interviews that were several years apart.

If you say so.....

Would they be able to find a contradiction in the two posts
above?

In Darryls post? No.

I am NOT saying there is a contradiction in the two
posts, but if some of the anti-Wiggins/Sky posters are being
honest with themselves, they must see a contradiction in
the above posts as well. I am not trying to belittle the
accomplishments or subsequent problems of any athlete,
just pointing out that the amateur dissection of interviews,
internet posts and the written word is not scientific proof
of anything.

I am not anti Wiggins/Sky - but I do not think you have to be either a fan or otherwise to spot the only contradiction.

 

[Darryl Webster]

Quite amusing. Is the no needles policy still in force? http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-cannot-use-spot-checks-to-enforce-no-needles-policy

 

[Bala Verde]

didn't know if this was posted, but here are the training methods that have now proved to be quite successful:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/may/23/bradley-wiggins-tour-de-france

Five steps to a stellar season on the road

Bradley Wiggins has vowed to train for this year's Tour de France 'without compromise'

1 A large amount of low-intensity, high‑volume work in December and January to act as a foundation for the major training efforts to come

2 Two- to three‑week training camps in Mallorca and Tenerife to enable training on long climbs in intense heat, with no distractions so recovery is optimised

3 Specific power work to improve climbing, and work on other areas such as ability to recover from an effort while racing, and producing high power while already fatigued

4 Cut back on racing: fewer races but tackled flat out. Stage races in the programme which minimise travelling and fatigue

5 Within those races, aim to hold the race lead for as many days as possible so that being race leader is not a source of additional stress, for leader or team riders

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Past involvement w/ doping doesn't mean that person cannot change & contribute to clean sport. Lots of dopers/enablers work clean today

Problem w/ Leinders is he left Rabo in anger because he disagreed with new, clean, direction. Doesn't sound like a guy who embraces change

Don't know why you put any faith in Sky. They couldn't find a doctor that didn't resign from his former team because they wouldn't let him dope riders anymore?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Can we expect another book by Kimmage in the shops in
time for Christmas? Maybe Mr. Webster with all his inside
knowledge can get a book deal too.

Alright then, what evidence do you need to believe that Sky's running a doping program that may or may not implicate the British cycling federation? Because that's happened before. (See USA Cycling/Chris Carmichael/Armstrong and other doped juniors)

Every time I make this request, there is no reply. Maybe you can tell me why no one is able to specify the evidence they need?

 

[taiwan]

didn't know if this was posted, but here are the training methods that have now proved to be quite successful:

Five steps to a stellar season on the road

Bradley Wiggins has vowed to train for this year's Tour de France 'without compromise'

1 A large amount of low-intensity, high‑volume work in December and January to act as a foundation for the major training efforts to come

2 Two- to three‑week training camps in Mallorca and Tenerife to enable training on long climbs in intense heat, with no distractions so recovery is optimised

3 Specific power work to improve climbing, and work on other areas such as ability to recover from an effort while racing, and producing high power while already fatigued

4 Cut back on racing: fewer races but tackled flat out. Stage races in the programme which minimise travelling and fatigue

5 Within those races, aim to hold the race lead for as many days as possible so that being race leader is not a source of additional stress, for leader or team riders

Fair enough.

 

[Darryl Webster]

A liitle love song from Brad to Geert

Paul Weller : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM1rSTOs7Zs

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Are any of you guys who won't be sending Wiggo / Sky a Christmas card this year employed by those religious cults that somehow persuade apparently rational people to give all their money, and in many cases their bodies, to the cult leader?

If not, I strongly suggest you have missed your true calling in life. You are so convincing. I'm an unashamed and unapologetic Wiggo Fanboy, but even so, The Hoggites - if I may refer to you as such, given the ID of your spiritual leader - have pretty much convinced me that something nefarious is afoot at Sky HQ, notwithstanding the appalling lack of knowledge displayed about the Searle brothers earlier on this thread. (Or maybe one of the other ten thousand that serve the same purpose.)

I salute you.

Life was much easier in the Armstrong/Pantani days. At least when they shot up Alpe D'Huez in 37 minutes you knew something was definitely amiss. These pesky Skyboys just do things that are individually OK(ish), just to confuse the issue. Except Mr Froome, who is definitely a wrong 'un.

 

[DirtyWorks]

..The Hoggites - if I may refer to you as such, given the ID of your spiritual leader ...

We're not really a cult. More of a loose confederation. The best analogy is a herd of cats. The critics would have you believe there are 12 of us making it up as we go along.

Shame on you If you haven't seen Ardman Animation's Pirates movie.

 

[snackattack]

Shame on you If you haven't seen Ardman Animation's Pirates movie.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

We're not really a cult. More of a loose confederation. The best analogy is a herd of cats. The critics would have you believe there are 12 of us making it up as we go along.

Shame on you If you haven't seen Ardman Animation's Pirates movie.

Speak for yourself.
I prefer to be recognized as a "bone idle wa*nker" - in fact I have worked very very hard at being a "bone idle wa*nker". I warm down and everything.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Are any of you guys who won't be sending Wiggo / Sky a Christmas card this year employed by those religious cults that somehow persuade apparently rational people to give all their money, and in many cases their bodies, to the cult leader?

If not, I strongly suggest you have missed your true calling in life. You are so convincing. I'm an unashamed and unapologetic Wiggo Fanboy, but even so, The Hoggites - if I may refer to you as such, given the ID of your spiritual leader - have pretty much convinced me that something nefarious is afoot at Sky HQ, notwithstanding the appalling lack of knowledge displayed about the Searle brothers earlier on this thread. (Or maybe one of the other ten thousand that serve the same purpose.)

I salute you.

Life was much easier in the Armstrong/Pantani days. At least when they shot up Alpe D'Huez in 37 minutes you knew something was definitely amiss. These pesky Skyboys just do things that are individually OK(ish), just to confuse the issue. Except Mr Froome, who is definitely a wrong 'un.

Thank you for the love and welcome to the clinic.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Speak for yourself.
I prefer to be recognized as a "bone idle wa*nker" - in fact I have worked very very hard at being a "bone idle wa*nker". I warm down and everything.

Ok then, among the 12 is a bone idle ****er and shiftless layabout. No warm-down needed for me Too lazy to have a spiritual leader as that would mean expending energy in the act of following.

 

[Cobblestones]

Bravo Paul Kimmage, no doubt he will be derided by his once faithful followers who will decry him tarnishing the gold of Team Sky, but he has succinctly encapsulated thousands of posts on a dozen threads here over the Tour, and hundreds of thousands of tweets.

And without the slightest disparagement, tin foil hat theory or personal vilification. Merely the question - what happened to Wiggos 2007 speech and Brailsfords zero tolerance policy.

He could have sunk the boot and included Mick Rogers, and a few choice words like Freiburg and Ferrari (mind you he DID mention Sinkovitz hehe), but hey, he has restraint and clarity of vision, a "less is more" mentality.

Again, Bravo Paul Kimmage, still carrying on the good fight in the face of adversity after all these years

He didn't mention the leaked 'suspicion index' of some time ago either. Wigans himself was a 5 while others on team Ground were a 6, 7 and 8.

 

[Maxiton]

Are any of you guys who won't be sending Wiggo / Sky a Christmas card this year employed by those religious cults that somehow persuade apparently rational people to give all their money, and in many cases their bodies, to the cult leader?

If not, I strongly suggest you have missed your true calling in life. You are so convincing. I'm an unashamed and unapologetic Wiggo Fanboy, but even so, The Hoggites - if I may refer to you as such, given the ID of your spiritual leader - have pretty much convinced me that something nefarious is afoot at Sky HQ, notwithstanding the appalling lack of knowledge displayed about the Searle brothers earlier on this thread. (Or maybe one of the other ten thousand that serve the same purpose.)

I salute you.

Life was much easier in the Armstrong/Pantani days. At least when they shot up Alpe D'Huez in 37 minutes you knew something was definitely amiss. These pesky Skyboys just do things that are individually OK(ish), just to confuse the issue. Except Mr Froome, who is definitely a wrong 'un.

Since I've gotten a swimming coach my lap times are way down on the bike.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Since I've gotten a swimming coach my lap times are way down on the bike.

Since I've got a cycling coach my breaststroke has improved enormously.

 

[Benotti69]

i dont understand how people can call Rogers or Froome out as doping without pointing fingers at the rest of them. This TdF GT team has been together how long, training and racing, learning and preparing for July and each one of their roles in Winning the Maillot Juane? How would Rogers or Froome get outside (of Sky) doping done and not raise alarms bells in oh so clean Sky?

If 1 is doping all are doping.

The Sky musketeers, 1 dopes for all, all dopes for Wiggins

 

[D-Queued]

i dont understand how people can call Rogers or Froome out as doping without pointing fingers at the rest of them. This TdF GT team has been together how long, training and racing, learning and preparing for July and each one of their roles in Winning the Maillot Juane? How would Rogers or Froome get outside (of Sky) doping done and not raise alarms bells in oh so clean Sky?

If 1 is doping all are doping.

The Sky musketeers, 1 dopes for all, all dopes for Wiggins

When you say 'people' you are including me, when I already agree with you.

Looking at the full roster, and there is only one person I know that has been held up for years as being a non-doper in the doper's den. But, he wasn't on the Tour team.

Dave.

 

[Benotti69]

When you say 'people' you are including me, when I already agree with you.

Looking at the full roster, and there is only one person I know that has been held up for years as being a non-doper in the doper's den. But, he wasn't on the Tour team.

Dave.

Dave, i was using the term for those who have doubted Froome, Rogers or Porte and think that they are doping but it has nothing to do with Sky!

 

[doperhopper]

Gentlemen, let's wait for Vuelta, it's quite possible that Marginal Vroom will be so horny that he'll forget to keep it at the credible level - if he kicks *** of Dirtie Bertie in a massive way, and not only Clentador but the whole bunch of climbers, there will be no questions necessary.