Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[PedalPusher]

didn't know if this was posted, but here are the training methods that have now proved to be quite successful:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/may/23/bradley-wiggins-tour-de-france

Complete bunk...

 

[hrotha]

Gentlemen, let's wait for Vuelta, it's quite possible that Marginal Vroom will be so horny that he'll forget to keep it at the credible level - if he kicks *** of Dirtie Bertie in a massive way, and not only Clentador but the whole bunch of climbers, there will be no questions necessary.

Nah thanks, we already waited for the Tour at the Dauphiné. Whatever comes next, what we saw already happened.

Although at this point I almost want Froome to destroy everybody at the Vuelta. If it's going to be ridiculous, make it as ridiculous as possible.

 

[thehog]

Complete bunk...

“The phrase "living like a monk" is often used to describe an athlete's total focus; here there is truly something monastic about Wiggins's reclusiveness”

This is what the Champions club investors were told about Armstrong.

 

[taiwan]

Complete bunk...

Would be interesting to hear from someone who knows exactly how innovative all this is, because I can't tell. Certainly more credible sources of marginal gains than just warm downs.

4 Cut back on racing: fewer races but tackled flat out. Stage races in the programme which minimise travelling and fatigue

Posted the GC top ten in race days. LL Sanchez has the most race days in the peloton this year.

SANCHEZ Luis Leon RAB 77

WIGGINS Bradley SKY 50
FROOME Chris SKY 40
NIBALI Vincenzo LIQ 63
VAN DEN BROECK LTB 51
VAN GARDEREN BMC 62
ZUBELDIA Haimar RNT 41
EVANS Cadel BMC 46
ROLLAND Pierre EUC 66
BRAJKOVIC AST 63
PINOT Thibaut FDJ 62

Ave. = 54

5 Within those races, aim to hold the race lead for as many days as possible so that being race leader is not a source of additional stress, for leader or team riders

Wiggins did take the lead after the second stages of PN, Romandie and the Dauphinee.

Could probably consider some of the other methods also...

 

[blackcat]

“The phrase "living like a monk" is often used to describe an athlete's total focus; here there is truly something monastic about Wiggins's reclusiveness”

This is what the Champions club investors were told about Armstrong.

what, whilst he was giving them a VIP service at Yellow Rose?

 

[blackcat]

When you say 'people' you are including me, when I already agree with you.

Looking at the full roster, and there is only one person I know that has been held up for years as being a non-doper in the doper's den. But, he wasn't on the Tour team.

Dave.

not sure Floyd and others agree with Michael Barry status neither.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I'm not sure this got posted: http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...aison-le-poison-agit-encore_1736926_3242.html

The bottom line is it's calling Wiggins, Froome, Nibali and Van den Broecke, performances doped.

A translation provided by Dekker Tifosi here: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=961192&postcount=978

 

[D-Queued]

Would be interesting to hear from someone who knows exactly how innovative all this is, because I can't tell. Certainly more credible sources of marginal gains than just warm downs.

4 Cut back on racing: fewer races but tackled flat out. Stage races in the programme which minimise travelling and fatigue

Posted the GC top ten in race days. LL Sanchez has the most race days in the peloton this year.

SANCHEZ Luis Leon RAB 77

WIGGINS Bradley SKY 50
FROOME Chris SKY 40
NIBALI Vincenzo LIQ 63
VAN DEN BROECK LTB 51
VAN GARDEREN BMC 62
ZUBELDIA Haimar RNT 41
EVANS Cadel BMC 46
ROLLAND Pierre EUC 66
BRAJKOVIC AST 63
PINOT Thibaut FDJ 62

Ave. = 54

Wiggins did take the lead after the second stages of PN, Romandie and the Dauphinee.

Could probably consider some of the other methods also...

Thanks for the research.

Yup, sure looks like Sky cut way back on race days compared to others.

Myth: Busted.

Dave.

 

[TheGeneral]

Bradley Wiggins You are a doper. I hope that You read this. Do You want to know my identity ???

If so You may sue me for a libelous accusation.

But I am 100 % confident that I would be vindicated.

Perhaps now is the time for You to retire. In case You test positive.

And if You do retire. I would advise You not to make a come back like Your friend Lance Armstrong. Whom You admire. You admire dopers now. When once You despised them. You had to join the club of dopers in order to achieve Your victory in the Tour De France. A feat that is beyond Your natural capabilities. A feat that is beyond the natural capabilities of most homo sapiens.

 

[Panda Claws]

This has probably been posted before, but anyway.


Dr. Ferrari:

"The Sky riders are pedaling uphill with very high cadences of pedaling (often over 100 RPM), which seem quite excessive in relation to the power outputs, around 420-440W: either these athletes are riding below their limit, or the asymmetrical chainrings used by most of them require higher cadences in order to get the best out of them."

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

I have to say, without any sarcasm meant, that that was a truly awesome sight.

And I laughed hard...

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Are any of you guys who won't be sending Wiggo / Sky a Christmas card this year employed by those religious cults that somehow persuade apparently rational people to give all their money, and in many cases their bodies, to the cult leader?

If not, I strongly suggest you have missed your true calling in life. You are so convincing. I'm an unashamed and unapologetic Wiggo Fanboy, but even so, The Hoggites - if I may refer to you as such, given the ID of your spiritual leader - have pretty much convinced me that something nefarious is afoot at Sky HQ, notwithstanding the appalling lack of knowledge displayed about the Searle brothers earlier on this thread. (Or maybe one of the other ten thousand that serve the same purpose.)

I salute you.

Life was much easier in the Armstrong/Pantani days. At least when they shot up Alpe D'Huez in 37 minutes you knew something was definitely amiss. These pesky Skyboys just do things that are individually OK(ish), just to confuse the issue. Except Mr Froome, who is definitely a wrong 'un.

You started your support strong, but fell flat in the end. Listen to your inner doubter, you know you love us!

DoubtStrong!

 

[thehog]

I'm not sure this got posted: http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...aison-le-poison-agit-encore_1736926_3242.html

The bottom line is it's calling Wiggins, Froome, Nibali and Van den Broecke, performances doped.

A translation provided by Dekker Tifosi here: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=961192&postcount=978

Thanks that was very interesting although the translation is muddled the points are well made. Thanks for posting.
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It's Schleck who is right, the poison still works
Fränk Schleck, the excluded doper, is right : le Tour is "poisoned". It has been for a long time, but the poison still works. To get convinced, comparing the power outputs of riders, in Watts, is enough. We noticed four of them that are particularly shocking this year. The first one kills more than it wounds. It's about the crowds' pet, Thomas Voeckler, who, as his clone, the Virenque of the greatest Festina years, holds the king of mountains polka dots jersey up, and the French hearts. Saint Thomas, in his own admittance, neglecting the will of his almost fleshless calves that seem so thin that they look like they're reduced to (the size of) his shin bones, is capable, like Richard once was, to perform mountain raids, maintaining over four mountains an engine power of "375-390" Watts, without weakening, accelerating whenever he wishes. He was first to cross the line atop Aubisque, Tourmalet, Aspin, Peyresourde, in 5 h 32 min 2 s, victorious concluding, fresh as a daisy, the 197 km at an average of 35,59 km/h.

This Pau - Bagnères-de-Luchon is a classical Tour de France stage (1980, 1983, 1998). In 1998 - always the Festina affair -, Marco Pantani let Massi win in 5 h 49 minutes 40 s on 196,5 km at 33,72 km/h : almost 2 km/h slower. Another reference got broken the next day by Thomas Voeckler : Menté, 9,3 km at 9,1 %. In 28'20", with an alien power of 442 Watts, he's carving his name on the tables, on the biggest chain ring in the last 300 m, on an 8 % slope. There, he is rather looking like the Rasmussen-Contador duo of the Great Years. It's the second important comparison : it knocks down more than it scares.

With an average of 430 W, the favourites swallowed, like during the great days, Peyresourde in 26 min 45 sec. From Saint-Aventin, they only conceded 34 seconds to the unreal time of Contador and Rasmussen in 2007 (23 minutes and 26 seconds), who were trying to drop each other with many sprints, just like as many injections. From there on, Froome and Wiggins then accelerated in the last climb, Peyragudes. They produced 470 Watts during 7'03" (2,95 km at 7,93 %). Froome waited for Wiggins, but was capable of getting near 500 Watts. If he doesn't restrict his engine any more to wait for his leader, he could enter the caste of world record owners, the best "performers" of all times : Pantani, Armstrong, Contador.

The third comparison, which makes smile more than it surprises, is to be credited to a suspended rider "Stronger Than Before", title of a book by Virenque. Alejandro Valverde won in Peyragudes, achieving a performance equal to Vinokourov's in 2007. The two riders, with a 5 years interval, climbed the Port de Balès and Peyresourde at the same level of power output, managing 285 then 405 Watts on both these ascents. Vinokourov, who had left the peloton with the morning break, won it solo in Loudenvielle. The Kazakhi was then excluded because of a blood transfusion.

The last comparison is more thrilling than bluffing. In 2011, after 16 years of scrambling for heavy doping products, we were at last cheering, in these columns, for the absence of riders performing above an average of 410 Watts on the last ascents of mountain stages : the detection threshold of poison. Alas ! There is again four of them, this year who crossed that bar : Wiggins, Froome, Nibali and Van den Broecke, with 415 Watts for the first three of the classification, and 410 Watts for the fourth one. We are now longing for 2013 and the return of Contador and his tainted meat ! Until then, it's doubtful a cure will have been found.

Former coach of Team Festina, Antoine Vayer is a performance specialist.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Thanks that was very interesting although the translation is muddled the points are well made. Thanks for posting.
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It's Schleck who is right, the poison still works
Fränk Schleck, the excluded doper, is right : le Tour is "poisoned". It has been for a long time, but the poison still works. To get convinced, comparing the power outputs of riders, in Watts, is enough. We noticed four of them that are particularly shocking this year. The first one kills more than it wounds. It's about the crowds' pet, Thomas Voeckler, who, as his clone, the Virenque of the greatest Festina years, holds the king of mountains polka dots jersey up, and the French hearts. Saint Thomas, in his own admittance, neglecting the will of his almost fleshless calves that seem so thin that they look like they're reduced to (the size of) his shin bones, is capable, like Richard once was, to perform mountain raids, maintaining over four mountains an engine power of "375-390" Watts, without weakening, accelerating whenever he wishes. He was first to cross the line atop Aubisque, Tourmalet, Aspin, Peyresourde, in 5 h 32 min 2 s, victorious concluding, fresh as a daisy, the 197 km at an average of 35,59 km/h.

This Pau - Bagnères-de-Luchon is a classical Tour de France stage (1980, 1983, 1998). In 1998 - always the Festina affair -, Marco Pantani let Massi win in 5 h 49 minutes 40 s on 196,5 km at 33,72 km/h : almost 2 km/h slower. Another reference got broken the next day by Thomas Voeckler : Menté, 9,3 km at 9,1 %. In 28'20", with an alien power of 442 Watts, he's carving his name on the tables, on the biggest chain ring in the last 300 m, on an 8 % slope. There, he is rather looking like the Rasmussen-Contador duo of the Great Years. It's the second important comparison : it knocks down more than it scares.

With an average of 430 W, the favourites swallowed, like during the great days, Peyresourde in 26 min 45 sec. From Saint-Aventin, they only conceded 34 seconds to the unreal time of Contador and Rasmussen in 2007 (23 minutes and 26 seconds), who were trying to drop each other with many sprints, just like as many injections. From there on, Froome and Wiggins then accelerated in the last climb, Peyragudes. They produced 470 Watts during 7'03" (2,95 km at 7,93 %). Froome waited for Wiggins, but was capable of getting near 500 Watts. If he doesn't restrict his engine any more to wait for his leader, he could enter the caste of world record owners, the best "performers" of all times : Pantani, Armstrong, Contador.

The third comparison, which makes smile more than it surprises, is to be credited to a suspended rider "Stronger Than Before", title of a book by Virenque. Alejandro Valverde won in Peyragudes, achieving a performance equal to Vinokourov's in 2007. The two riders, with a 5 years interval, climbed the Port de Balès and Peyresourde at the same level of power output, managing 285 then 405 Watts on both these ascents. Vinokourov, who had left the peloton with the morning break, won it solo in Loudenvielle. The Kazakhi was then excluded because of a blood transfusion.

The last comparison is more thrilling than bluffing. In 2011, after 16 years of scrambling for heavy doping products, we were at last cheering, in these columns, for the absence of riders performing above an average of 410 Watts on the last ascents of mountain stages : the detection threshold of poison. Alas ! There is again four of them, this year who crossed that bar : Wiggins, Froome, Nibali and Van den Broecke, with 415 Watts for the first three of the classification, and 410 Watts for the fourth one. We are now longing for 2013 and the return of Contador and his tainted meat ! Until then, it's doubtful a cure will have been found.

Former coach of Team Festina, Antoine Vayer is a performance specialist.

Great, poetic post.

 

[thehog]

Great, poetic post.

Yes it's absolutely telling.

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From there on, Froome and Wiggins then accelerated in the last climb, Peyragudes. They produced 470 Watts during 7'03" (2,95 km at 7,93 %). Froome waited for Wiggins, but was capable of getting near 500 Watts. If he doesn't restrict his engine any more to wait for his leader, he could enter the caste of world record owners, the best "performers" of all times : Pantani, Armstrong, Contador.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Vayer (ex-Festina, so he knows his ****), also names Voeckler significantly.

 

[Kender]

I have to say, without any sarcasm meant, that that was a truly awesome sight.

And I laughed hard...

you just know that player was aiming for that too

 

[Kender]

Vayer (ex-Festina, so he knows his ****), also names Voeckler significantly.

To be fair on Voeckler though, at least he has the decency to really look like he's being put through the wringer. He worked really really hard on 2 big days, then looked absolutely spent. That's not to say he's not juiced, but it's far more believable than some other performances by other riders

 

[131313]

not sure Floyd and others agree with Michael Barry status neither.

pretty sure he's referring to Pate, who is conspicuously absent from the tour team, IMO.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

To be fair on Voeckler though, at least he has the decency to really look like he's being put through the wringer. He worked really really hard on 2 big days, then looked absolutely spent. That's not to say he's not juiced, but it's far more believable than some other performances by other riders

Juiced or not, at least he and the other Frenchmen gave the Tour some exciting (or at least interesting) racing...

If you're gonna do it, make it good...

 

[TubularBills]

Don't forget Rob Hayles being thrown out of the '09 track worlds because of a HCT reading of over 50%. At the time Brailsford said he could tell he wasn't doping "because he looked him in the eye and could see he was telling the truth"
I never really heard why Brailsford was arrested along with David Millar in Biarritz in 2004 either.

The Times (London)

March 27, 2008, Thursday

Hayles suspension is threat to team's clean-cut image

BYLINE: Jeremy Whittle

* Blow to medal hopes after failed blood test
* Brailsford adamant Team GB is drugs free

Great Britain's best-laid plans for a golden World Track Championships were dealt a blow yesterday when an irregular result taken from Rob Hayles in a routine International Cycling Union (UCI) blood test resulted in him being suspended for 14 days pending further testing. Hayles, an Olympic, World and Commonwealth Games medal-winner, was due to compete in yesterday's individual pursuit.

The 50 per cent haematocrit limit was introduced by the UCI over a decade ago in response to growing fears over the use of erythropoietin (EPO), the banned blood booster, in cycling. Hayles's haematocrit - or red blood-cell count - was yesterday measured by the UCI at 50.3 per cent.

"We have not got a systematic doping programme," David Brailsford, British Cycling's performance director, said. "Anybody is welcome to come and see us, be with us, live with us, 24/7 and they will soon figure it out for themselves. This is not about internal change, but about making sure that perception is managed correctly. I am as sure as sure can be that there isn't an issue with Rob."

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

The Times (London)

March 27, 2008, Thursday

Hayles suspension is threat to team's clean-cut image

BYLINE: Jeremy Whittle

* Blow to medal hopes after failed blood test
* Brailsford adamant Team GB is drugs free

Great Britain's best-laid plans for a golden World Track Championships were dealt a blow yesterday when an irregular result taken from Rob Hayles in a routine International Cycling Union (UCI) blood test resulted in him being suspended for 14 days pending further testing. Hayles, an Olympic, World and Commonwealth Games medal-winner, was due to compete in yesterday's individual pursuit.

The 50 per cent haematocrit limit was introduced by the UCI over a decade ago in response to growing fears over the use of erythropoietin (EPO), the banned blood booster, in cycling. Hayles's haematocrit - or red blood-cell count - was yesterday measured by the UCI at 50.3 per cent.

"We have not got a systematic doping programme," David Brailsford, British Cycling's performance director, said. "Anybody is welcome to come and see us, be with us, live with us, 24/7 and they will soon figure it out for themselves. This is not about internal change, but about making sure that perception is managed correctly. I am as sure as sure can be that there isn't an issue with Rob."

The underlined. Whoa!

 

[Ferminal]

"We have not got a systematic doping programme," David Brailsford, British Cycling's performance director, said. "Anybody is welcome to come and see us, be with us, live with us, 24/7 and they will soon figure it out for themselves.

Sounds familiar.

 

[Brian Butterfield]

"Anybody is welcome to come and see us, be with us, live with us, 24/7 and they will soon figure it out for themselves.[/B] This is not about internal change, but about making sure that perception is managed correctly. I am as sure as sure can be that there isn't an issue with Rob."

Except Kimmage.

 

[Cobblestones]

To be fair on Voeckler though, at least he has the decency to really look like he's being put through the wringer.

Kohl always looked like that, too.