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mastersracer

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I wonder if the slopes on the power meters were set lower to show lower power numbers than they were actually doing?

They would have to do so in a coordinated way across teams to retain consistency.

It would be apparent looking at the files unless you're suggesting they do some post-race manipulation of the raw file, and so the conspiracy would now involve SRM/trainingpeaks personnel, external coaches, etc.
 
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mastersracer said:
They would have to do so in a coordinated way across teams to retain consistency.

It would be apparent looking at the files unless you're suggesting they do some post-race manipulation of the raw file, and so the conspiracy would now involve SRM/trainingpeaks personnel, external coaches, etc.

Maybe at certain teams they have 2 settings, racing and training.

From what we know about the history of the sport this is entirely possible.

We know of a team that had been provided with team bikes knowing they were not going to riders but being sold to fund doping.
 

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The UCI brought in a rule this year for the Tour that power meters could not transmit.

I wonder why.
 
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jilbiker said:
What astounds people is that Sky could have done this in the face of everyone, in this day and age of better testing and better controls.

The current testing program is specifically designed so riders aren't killing themselves. Thatis entirely by IOC/UCI design. Just don't be stupid and you won't get caught.

IF WADA were given the authority to enforce AAF's, I think doping prevalence would be closer to the assumption. If they back tested 5 years with severe penalties today, then I definitely think the Pro Peloton would be much closer to clean. Athletics and the ITU (triathlon) would be cleaner too.
 
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Red Lobster said:
Yeah, funny that. Worked exactly the same for USPS/Discovery.

Just you wait. "This could be Geraint Thomas's year for the cobbled classics" might become the new "This could be George Hincapie's year for the cobbled classics"
 

mastersracer

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thehog said:
The UCI brought in a rule this year for the Tour that power meters could not transmit.

I wonder why.

Of course you do. I'm sure it had nothing to do with broadcast rights/payments, and that the teams all secretly agreed to manipulate their power data in a peloton-wide conspiracy. And they never worried that anyone would think of cross-validating their reported numbers with other methods.

They should do the same with their speedometer readings and officially slow down the Tour. Brilliant.
 
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thehog said:
The UCI brought in a rule this year for the Tour that power meters could not transmit.

I wonder why.

Incorrect - they could, but any transmission wasn't allowed to be outsourced to a non ASO affiliate, as this would encroach on the ASO's ownership of coverage.
 
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They change the slope on the meter to correlate with a more realistic rider weight. Now rider x is climbing better because he lost soooooooo much weight. "here are the power numbers to prove it."


mastersracer Quote:
I wonder why.

Of course you do. I'm sure it had nothing to do with broadcast rights/payments, and that the teams all secretly agreed to manipulate their power data in a peloton-wide conspiracy. And they never worried that anyone would think of cross-validating their reported numbers with other methods.

They should do the same with their speedometer readings and officially slow down the Tour. Brilliant.
 
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131313 said:
pretty sure he's referring to Pate, who is conspicuously absent from the tour team, IMO.
think Dave has a degree of separation in Canada, like your boulder cycling clique, the Canada network cant be too big

And Peter Mazur is selling his own kit in a second city in Poland. He had talent.
 
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Von Mises said:
It maybe poetic, but his numbers are definetly not correct. He overestimates signifcantly.


they're calculated for a theoretical rider weighing 70 kilograms plus 8 kilograms of bike, clothing, etc... it is the so-called "standard rider of 78 kilograms", which enables direct comparison between riders

to get the real values that Wiggins was outputting you would have to divide by 78 and multiply by the weight of Wiggins and his bike

but Wiggins himself talks about Rogers merrily doing 450 watts so this won't be too far off - seriously, though, this prediction method has been compared with live SRM measurements and was found to be accurate (if wind, air density etc have been correctly accounted for)
 
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Though not A team by any means, Michael Barry is a common factor between the USPS/RSNT and Sky teams. Didn't Floyd or Tyler call him out for something, but no specifics given? Seems to me that he is a road captain type - could there be a link to other duties as well?
 
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Why is it that if Sky have such an effective doping program, it doesn't work in the classics.Likewise OPQS program produces stellar performances in the classics but nothing in the GT's?

OPQS bought out the UCI to dope in the classics slots, and Sky paid for doping privileges at TdF? It makes sense.. selling an advantage at certain races to the highest bidder perhaps. Paddy McQuaid should be locked up, what a dirtbag.
 
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simo1733 said:
Why is it that if Sky have such an effective doping program, it doesn't work in the classics.Likewise OPQS program produces stellar performances in the classics but nothing in the GT's?

I don't think many, if any teams, have teamwide programs anymore. Probably individual riders or small subgroups in a team get external help, perhaps with the willful blindness of management. Even seven years ago Riis was not running his own team program.

The TdF crew could all be juicing while the classics guys have nothing to do with it, maybe not even knowledge what is going on. Just because Friggins, Porte, and Rogers look totally jacked, does not mean EBH and Cav are on the same program.

The time when riders freely told each other what they were doing is over.
 
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This is actually really easy to answer. With or without doping program, it's easy to see that the GT quality of Sky is higher than their classic team (Flecha? ^^). On the other hand OPQS have no believable GT threat, no matter the amount of juice you pour into them.

Just like USPS... even the best program wouldn't help them if they only sent out George. Keep in mind that Lance himself did a few solid impressions in the Gold Race and LBL. Just not a team for that kind of work.
 
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From an article posted by Adamastor in the Voeckler thread.
http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...aison-le-poison-agit-encore_1736926_3242.html

pffff.....amazing. MUST READ.
Is it being discussed somewhere already?

En 2011, après seize années de curée aux produits lourds, nous nous réjouissions enfin, dans ces colonnes, de l'absence de coureurs à plus de 410 watts de moyenne sur les derniers cols des étapes de haute montagne : le seuil de détection du poison. Las ! Ils sont à nouveau quatre cette année à avoir franchi cette barre : Wiggins, Froome, Nibali et Van den Broecke, avec 415 watts pour les trois premiers du classement et 410 watts pour le quatrième.

about Froome:
S'il ne bride plus son moteur pour attendre son leader, il peut rentrer dans la caste des recordmen du monde des meilleurs "performers" de tous les temps : Pantani, Armstrong, Contador.



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and the guy is funny too. full of irony that article.
La troisième comparaison, qui fait plus sourire qu'elle ne surprend
La dernière comparaison qui nous excite plus qu'elle ne nous bluffe.
Vivement 2013 et le come-back de Contador et sa viande contaminée !
 
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Google Translation of that article.

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...aison-le-poison-agit-encore_1736926_3242.html

Frank Schleck, the doped excluded, is right: the Tour is "poisoned" . He has long, but always makes the poison effect. To be convincing , it is sufficient to observe the comparisons of power runners in watts. We have identified four particularly striking this year. The first kills more than it hurts. It is about the pet, Thomas Voeckler who, like his clone, Virenque of Festina great years, turns the polka dot jersey of best climber and the heart of the French. St. Thomas, voluntarily, without the knowledge of her calves almost emaciated to the point where they merge with his shins, is capable, like Richard once, to make raids on four mountain passes maintaining an engine speed " 375-390 " watts, without fail , accelerating when he wants. He crossed the top Aubisque, Tourmalet, Aspin, Peyresoudre in 5 h 32 min 2 s, concluding triumphantly, fresh as a roach, the 197 km to 35.59 km / h average.
This step Pau - Luchon Bagneres-de-is a classic of the Tour (1980, 1983, 1998). In 1998 - still the Festina affair - Marco Pantani had left win Massi in 5 h 49 min 40 s to 196.5 km to 33.72 km / h: almost two km / h slower! Another reference to Thomas fought the next day: the Col de Mente, 9.3 km to 9.1%. In 28 min 20 s, with a power of 442 watts mutant, he engraved his name on the shelves, the large plateau in the last 300 meters, on a slope to 8%. There he is more like Contador, Rasmussen duo of great years. This is the second significant comparison: it knocks out more than it is scary.

With 430 watts of average, the favorites have swallowed, as in the heyday, the Peyresourde Pass in 26 min 45 s. Since St. Aventine, they conceded only 34 s in unreal time directed by Contador and Rasmussen in 2007 (23 min 26 s) who tried to release with great bursts of sprints as many injections. The momentum, Froome and Wiggins were then accelerated in the last climb of Peyragudes. They developed 470 watts for 7 min 3 sec (2.95 km to 7.93%). Froome waited Wiggins, he had the means of s' approach of 500 watts. If there's more engine flange to expect its leader, he can go into the caste of the world record holder of the best "performers" of all time: Pantani, Armstrong, Contador.

The third comparison, which is more smile than it surprises, is to put the assets of a suspended "stronger than before" , title of a book by Virenque. AlejandroValverde Peyragudes won by achieving aperfidentical to that of Vinokourov in 2007. Both riders, five years apart, have climbed the Port de Bales and Peyresourde the same power level, with 385 watts and 405 watts for two passes. Vinokourov, party in the early break, as Valverde, had won the solo in Loudenvielle. The Kazakh was then excluded on the grounds of a blood transfusion.

The final comparison that excites us more than it is bluffing us. In 2011, after sixteen years of heavy quarry products, we rejoiced at last, in these columns, the lack of runners to over 410 watts of average over the last passes of the mountain stages: the detection threshold of the poison . Las! They are four again this year to have crossed the bar: Wiggins, Froome, Nibali and Van den Broecke, with 415 watts for the three top finishers and 410 watts for the fourth. Strongly in 2013 and the comeback of Contador and contaminated meat! By then, not sure we will have found the antidote.

Former Festina team coach, Antoine Vayer is expert performance.
 
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Pat McQuaid and British TDF win

'Bradley Wiggins and Mark Cavendish, both riding for the Sky team and representing Great Britain will be race’s centre of attention as Cavendish seeks to add an Olympic title to his impressive palmares.
"It would be great if it happened because it's another edition to this fairy-tale story," McQuaid told The Associated Press. "It would be great for cycling and great for the Olympic Games."
According to Pat McQuaid, crowds are set to flood the streets of London for the 250km race. This is in part due to the favourable circumstances that have led into the London Games. Cavendish also won the Olympic test event in London last year and McQuaid believes the popularity of cycling in Great Britain will be evident come race day.
"There will probably be the biggest crowd ever seen at an Olympic Games . I’m predicting something close to a million people could be on the roadside," he said in an official UCI release.'

Well at least Pat McQuaid has made it easy for us - summing up exactly why SKY were given the Tour de France. Lots of publicity = more viewing public = more television £££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££
 
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Grand Tourist said:
Robert Millar got popped for high levels of testosterone & served a short ban. Of course he says he's innocent.

He was on Le Groupement when Obree wouldn't chip in for the medical programme.
 
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"Bradley Wiggins's season moved into a new phase today, as the Tour of Murcia got under way with a first road stage won by the South African sprinter Robbie Hunter. Wiggins enjoyed a trouble-free ride to finish in the bunch alongside Lance Armstrong, who is likely to be one of his main rivals at the Tour de France in July.

Armstrong is also in Murcia as part of his build-up and, within minutes of the stage finish, the seven-times Tour winner offered his take on Wiggins's form via his Twitter feed: "Brad Wiggins looks strong. For my money he's the favourite here." https://apps.facebook.com/theguardian/sport/2010/mar/03/bradley-wiggins-lance-armstrong-murcia
 
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Darryl Webster said:
"Bradley Wiggins's season moved into a new phase today, as the Tour of Murcia got under way with a first road stage won by the South African sprinter Robbie Hunter. Wiggins enjoyed a trouble-free ride to finish in the bunch alongside Lance Armstrong, who is likely to be one of his main rivals at the Tour de France in July.

Armstrong is also in Murcia as part of his build-up and, within minutes of the stage finish, the seven-times Tour winner offered his take on Wiggins's form via his Twitter feed: "Brad Wiggins looks strong. For my money he's the favourite here." https://apps.facebook.com/theguardian/sport/2010/mar/03/bradley-wiggins-lance-armstrong-murcia

"But look at the Brits on the track this year - absolutely outstanding. And still the head of French cycling said their performance 'is not possible'. Give me a break. Bradley Wiggins is the best ****ing pursuiter of all time. I don't think he cheated. No! He's the most talented, he worked the hardest, he had the best position, he had the most knowledge, he won."

Now Armstrong, 37, talking at the second day of the Livestrong Global Cancer Summit in Dublin, said the formation of Team Sky is "a great step forward for cycling".
"A few years ago if you had said that the British Cycling Federation [now British Cycling] is going to dominate the Olympic Games people would have said 'no way' but Dave Brailsford and his entire team there has made amazing progress.
"Not only are they [Team Sky] going to be in the Tour de France, they are going to be a factor.
"It is good for cycling fans in Britain and cycling fans all over the world."
The Texan was full of praise for Wiggins whose overall improvement this season surprised almost everybody in cycling, including Wiggins himself who had hoped to finish in the top 20 in the general classification.
"I was sweating Wiggins on a daily basis. This guy made my life very difficult. What a story,” said Armstrong who trailed the Briton across the finishing line in Arcalis on stage seven as the Tour entered it first mountain stage.


Armstong's always been a fan for whatever reason.
 

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