Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Dr. Maserati]

Agreed... but not unique (fact)... and certainly not enough to explain his performance (opinion, that can be substantiated by wind tunnel data).

Dave.

No-one said it was unique.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Agreed... but not unique (fact)... and certainly not enough to explain his performance (opinion, that can be substantiated by wind tunnel data).

Dave.

It's unique in that he can generate that much power in that position.

 

[Darryl Webster]

Agreed... but not unique (fact)... and certainly not enough to explain his performance (opinion, that can be substantiated by wind tunnel data).

Dave.

Can we agree then that possibly Cav,s profile maybe is some of his advantage, perhaps not all and the question of does he dope we don't know but as yet we've nothing giving an extreme red flag unlike Twiggo @ Froome?

 

[D-Queued]

Ok, do we go with #1

No-one said it was unique.

Or, #2

It's unique in that he can generate that much power in that position.

Having established that Boonen and Freire are as low, or lower than Cav, sorry, but I am going to stick with #1.

Now, if we want to argue that Cavendish is producing ridiculous amounts of power independent of his (ergonomically inefficient) sprinting position, then ok, you got my vote.

Dave.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Ok, do we go with #1



Or, #2



Having established that Boonen and Freire are as low, or lower than Cav, sorry, but I am going to stick with #1.

Now, if we want to argue that Cavendish is producing ridiculous amounts of power independent of his (ergonomically inefficient) sprinting position, then ok, you got my vote.

Dave.

Given Cav is clearly faster than Boonen & Freire, point 1 and 2 go along very happily, although in general I don't accept Boonen typically sprints that low, and even if he did he's still a much bigger unit.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Ok, do we go with #1



Or, #2



Having established that Boonen and Freire are as low, or lower than Cav, sorry, but I am going to stick with #1.

Now, if we want to argue that Cavendish is producing ridiculous amounts of power independent of his (ergonomically inefficient) sprinting position, then ok, you got my vote.

Dave.

I was discussing how low he gets - and you added the term unique, so quoting someone else after (who was on about performance) is hardly adding to your point,.

Cav gets low, very low - it is not unique, but it is a fact - but it is not a limbo competition - if you want to discuss this further take it to another thread.

 

[D-Queued]

I was discussing how low he gets - and you added the term unique, so quoting someone else after (who was on about performance) is hardly adding to your point,.

Cav gets low, very low - it is not unique, but it is a fact - but it is not a limbo competition - if you want to discuss this further take it to another thread.

I AGREE WITH YOU!

Dave.

 

[Normandy]

'Bradley Wiggins and Mark Cavendish, both riding for the Sky team and representing Great Britain will be race’s centre of attention as Cavendish seeks to add an Olympic title to his impressive palmares.
"It would be great if it happened because it's another edition to this fairy-tale story," McQuaid told The Associated Press. "It would be great for cycling and great for the Olympic Games."
According to Pat McQuaid, crowds are set to flood the streets of London for the 250km race. This is in part due to the favourable circumstances that have led into the London Games. Cavendish also won the Olympic test event in London last year and McQuaid believes the popularity of cycling in Great Britain will be evident come race day.
"There will probably be the biggest crowd ever seen at an Olympic Games . I’m predicting something close to a million people could be on the roadside," he said in an official UCI release.'

Well at least Pat McQuaid has made it easy for us - summing up exactly why SKY were given the Tour de France. Lots of publicity = more viewing public = more television £££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££

I felt sick reading this from McQuaid. I am more convinced than ever that Sky are doping/bribing to get the results they want and confirms the view of many on here.

For someone who is in charge of the international federation, for Mcquaid to say something like this is unbelievable. I hope other countries protest and get a federation that represents the interests of ALL nations.

Its an insult to the British public. Whe the British public are given the facts, they a good at making their own judgement - Leverson enquiry etc. The problem is at the moment they are only being given the Murdoch take of things and do not know what is really going on in the sport. Cavendish has the same image man as Beckham and he must be working in overdrive to promote the Brad/Cav fairly story. We already have the Brad human interest stories about his upbringing and baby cav is always put in cavendish's arm for photo calls and the page three girl is hanging around the team bus all the time. Please will an independent journalist have the courage to publically stand up and challenge Sky/ Team GB results this year. Perhaps if anyone who knows McQuaid is reading this, they can tell him, the British public do not want contrived fairy stories but good honest wins.

It might be too late to stop the sham now, but when the bubble burst it is going to be interesting

 

[D-Queued]

I felt sick reading this from McQuaid. I am more convinced than ever that Sky are doping/bribing to get the results they want and confirms the view of many on here.

For someone who is in charge of the international federation, for Mcquaid to say something like this is unbelievable. I hope other countries protest and get a federation that represents the interests of ALL nations.

Its an insult to the British public. Whe the British public are given the facts, they a good at making their own judgement - Leverson enquiry etc. The problem is at the moment they are only being given the Murdoch take of things and do not know what is really going on in the sport. Cavendish has the same image man as Beckham and he must be working in overdrive to promote the Brad/Cav fairly story. We already have the Brad human interest stories about his upbringing and baby cav is always put in cavendish's arm for photo calls and the page three girl is hanging around the team bus all the time. Please will an independent journalist have the courage to publically stand up and challenge Sky/ Team GB results this year. Perhaps if anyone who knows McQuaid is reading this, they can tell him, the British public do not want contrived fairy stories but good honest wins.

It might be too late to stop the sham now, but when the bubble burst it is going to be interesting

I would love to agree, but this is nothing new.

He has been spewing this foolishness for at least five years:

"There is a clash going on at the moment between two cultures, the Anglo-Saxon culture and what I might call the mafia Western European culture," McQuaid said.

"The Western European Culture is a culture that has to some extent, I won't say condones doping and condones cheating practices, but because of their culture in life, because of the way they deal with everything else in life, they accept certain practices."

"The Anglo-Saxon (approach), which would be here (the Netherlands), it would be Germany, the United Kingdom, Denmark - is the complete opposite. And they have a completely different approach to the doping fight, and it's evident when you see the approach the teams have made - the German teams in particular there were a major problem in July - and the approach they have taken looking at the future and how they move forward into the future."

"And it is important, I feel, it is very important that at the end of the day the Anglo-Saxon approach wins out - because if it doesn't, then the sport is doomed."

At the same time he said this, as the website sports.fr pointed out, there were doping controversies with Ullrich, Armstrong, Skibby, Landis, Hamilton and Millar among others along with CSC and TVM.

Dave.

 

[BYOP88]

I felt sick reading this from McQuaid. I am more convinced than ever that Sky are doping/bribing to get the results they want and confirms the view of many on here.

For someone who is in charge of the international federation, for Mcquaid to say something like this is unbelievable. I hope other countries protest and get a federation that represents the interests of ALL nations.

Its an insult to the British public. Whe the British public are given the facts, they a good at making their own judgement - Leverson enquiry etc. The problem is at the moment they are only being given the Murdoch take of things and do not know what is really going on in the sport. Cavendish has the same image man as Beckham and he must be working in overdrive to promote the Brad/Cav fairly story. We already have the Brad human interest stories about his upbringing and baby cav is always put in cavendish's arm for photo calls and the page three girl is hanging around the team bus all the time. Please will an independent journalist have the courage to publically stand up and challenge Sky/ Team GB results this year. Perhaps if anyone who knows McQuaid is reading this, they can tell him, the British public do not want contrived fairy stories but good honest wins.

It might be too late to stop the sham now, but when the bubble burst it is going to be interesting

Uncle Pat should be sorting out the mess that is RSNT for instance, not hitching on to the 'current' flavor of the month.

 

[Maxiton]

Low

Lower

Lowest

 

[Darryl Webster]

It might be too late to stop the sham now, but when the bubble burst it is going to be interesting

I agree on this...its surely just a case of when. I'm predicting pretty much a repeat of Beijing results wise but with so much iffyness flying around its surely not so far away that major media ( not Sky controlled) puts together some kind expose..

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Why is Cavendish not able to produce in stage 5 with his head down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJEEnbgOWdU

surviving the mountains really well and being able to sprint from 500 metres in stage 18
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/video/2012/jul/20/tour-de-france-stage-18-video-highlights

and stage 20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6VbvxL-90U&feature=related

head on that is.

Great recuperation I must say. Greipel nowhere to be seen, Goss dito.

Cavendish is the fastest sprinter of this generation but when I see a sprinter winning from 500 metres out I do question this ability. Low head or no low head. Especially in the third week of the Tour.

 

[doperhopper]

Unless Sky absolutely ruins their own chances at the road race, this sounds like it's been bought and paid in the name of growing the sport. Buying/selling podium places is normal for cycling.

I predicted a 2 minute cushion for Wiggo in the TdF. He had 2 on his teammate and another 7? on third place. I'll go conservative again and say Wiggo does the leadout for a Cav gold.

The advantages their doping program gave them are very likely still effective. Maybe we'll see a full Sky podium. This is Pro cycling after all...

and maybe yet another transformation next year - how about Jens on the Tour podium?

"I have three concrete offers from the Sky team, Saxo Bank-[Tinkoff] and our RadioShack-[Nissan] team is still looking promising. Maybe I will stay there," Voigt told the German Press Agency.

 

[Benotti69]

and maybe yet another transformation next year - how about Jens on the Tour podium?

"I have three concrete offers from the Sky team, Saxo Bank-[Tinkoff] and our RadioShack-[Nissan] team is still looking promising. Maybe I will stay there," Voigt told the German Press Agency.

Absolutely, with some marginal gains, that endurance ability and big engine of his warmed down after every stage he could win by 10mins on TeamSky.

 

[Darryl Webster]

BC/ Sky going for Gold for the ugliest bike...more " marginal gains BS..

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/534102/bradley-wiggins-uksi-olympic-bike.html

I'm reminded of all the BS of Boardmans Lotus persuit bike,

 

[DirtyWorks]

BC/ Sky going for Gold for the ugliest bike...more " marginal gains BS..
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/534102/bradley-wiggins-uksi-olympic-bike.html

I'm reminded of all the BS of Boardmans Lotus persuit bike,

Yikes... That bike looks like it's come from Hong Fu. That's functional ugly! Is that stem UCI aero-compliant? To be fair to Chinese carbon builders, pretty isn't easy to do.

Hold it! How come more is not being made of the return of non-round chainrings?!?!?!?!?!? There's your marginal gain....

 

[roundabout]

Visit bikeradar, DW. The goofballs over there think that Sky has discovered the wheel (again!) with those chainrings.

 

[D-Queued]

Visit bikeradar, DW. The goofballs over there think that Sky has discovered the wheel (again!) with those chainrings.

Biopace and big sideburns... always together.

Dave.

 

[Darryl Webster]

Visit bikeradar, DW. The goofballs over there think that Sky has discovered the wheel (again!) with those chainrings.

PMSL... Wasn't it Shimano putting em out first around about the late 70,searly 80,s in there DX groupset?

 

[UlleGigo]

Rogers attempting to ride across a 5min gap solo in the rode race.

 

[the big ring]

Rogers attempting to ride across a 5min gap solo in the rode race.

Just dial in 420W for the next 30 minutes and go. I really don't see the problem?

 

[No_Balls]

Rogers attempting to ride across a 5min gap solo in the rode race.

Looks like the "peak" is still there.

 

[sniper]

Gesink in front!
This race might actually be clean!

 

[thehog]

Gesink in front!
This race might actually be clean!

Looking forward to Wiggins calling Vino a doper.