Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[badboygolf16v]

A case in point is Thomas De Gendt's response to being asked in an interview if he used banned products. He flatly denied it.

**** Wiggins would do well to have a think on that.

 

[BYOP88]

It's a thread about Sky. Topic matter is Sky. Conversation revolves around Sky.

His comments are all there to difuse questioning. Go read his posts. Unashamed Sky fanboy. Do the math. Numbers say he most likely is trolling. Not one single post adds anything of note, it's simple misdirection. He's deliberately coming onto this thread and repeatedly doing this. It is the Clinic after all. You don't like that sort of thing, stay out. Most remember that when they read a thread in the Clinic. Some don't and they are usually the trouble makers.

I'm not looking through someone's posts to see if they're fanboys or not, I'll leave that up to you, as you seem to have plenty of time for that sort of thing!

But as for Sky doping,I'll let you into a secret.... it's not just them! I'm aware they're getting it cos Wiggins is in yellow and Froome is top 6 or 7 and rightly so until they can prove otherwise they're in my eyes doping, but surely anyone who keeps up with doped riders for 21 days or tough/hard stages has to be doped themselves! Although shockingly there is a lack of threadage for the other teams.

 

[BroDeal]

So you ask for facts and then reply with a trolling post. I should have known better than to respond to someone who is so set on their beliefs.

Like you have any credibility. You spent years trying to convince people that Armstrong was not a doper. Now you have been sucked in by the latest cycling scam.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Andy Murray lost Wimbledon. A sign perhaps of Britain choking? Of them failing to come up short? .

Yes, that's it, we fail to be able to apply the necessary mental skills under pressure, as a whole nation, as a collective event. I think you're onto something

Btw, Mr. Federer might have had something to do with proceedings.

Btw also, nobody told our cricketers.

 

[function]

A case in point is Thomas De Gendt's response to being asked in an interview if he used banned products. He flatly denied it.

**** Wiggins would do well to have a think on that.

ArMstrong also denies doping, so what does that mean?

 

[function]

Like you have any credibility. You spent years trying to convince people that Armstrong was not a doper. Now you have been sucked in by the latest cycling scam.

Where have I said Armstrong is not a doper? Why are you making stuff up??

 

[function]

Like you have any credibility. You spent years trying to convince people that Armstrong was not a doper. Now you have been sucked in by the latest cycling scam.

further, it's not my credibility that is behind that bio passport data, so take it up with the authors.

 

[Love the Scenery]

Then please provide another example. Who else has done this? Tell you what, I will ask as many people I know in the gym today if they think what you've said is possible. I'll see how many, cyclists included, laugh at me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Armstrong

Boxer Henry Armstrong was simultaneously champion in three divisions. Not sure if his weight swing was 12kg, but pretty close to it, alternating between featherweight and middleweight. Admittedly by the time he made middleweight champion he could only go back down to lightweight and not to flyweight, but still shows substantial losses and gains in muscle mass possible while maintaining power, in an era before modern scientific doping.

If your evidence against my argument is "I talked to some people at the gym and to my dietitian, and they laughed" may I suggest you take a course in statistics.

 

[Bala Verde]

Age: 27
DOB: 20-05-1985
Teams
2007 Konica Minolta (Zuid-Afrika)
2008 Barloworld (Groot-Brittannië)
2009 Barloworld (Groot-Brittannië)
2010 Sky Professional Cycling Team (Groot-Brittannië)
2011 Sky Professional Cycling Team (Groot-Brittannië)
2012 Sky Procycling (Groot-Brittannië)

Froome's past results

Uitslagen
Alle wedstrijden
Toon:
2005 1e in 2e etappe Tour de Maurice, Curepipe (MRI)

2006 2e in Anatomic Jock Race (RSA)
2006 1e in 2e etappe Tour de Maurice (MRI)
2006 1e in 3e etappe Tour de Maurice (MRI)
2006 1e in Eindklassement Tour de Maurice (MRI)

2007 2e in Berg en Dale Classic (RSA)
2007 2e in 2e etappe Giro delle Regione, U23, Cittá Sant'Angelo (ITA)

[1 Grega Bole SLO in 03h 55m 21s
2 Chris Froome GBR op
3 Anton Rechetnikov RUS op 10s]

2007 1e in 5e etappe Giro delle Regione, U23, Montepulciano (ITA)

[1 Chris Froome GBR in 03h 41m 26s
2 Cyril Gautier FRA op
3 Andrey Zeits KAZ op 04s]

[Final GC

1 Rui Alberto Costa Faria POR in 19h 38m 33s
2 Dennis van Winden NED op 03s
3 Gašper Švab SLO op
Froome not in top 10]

2007 1e in 6e etappe Tour of Japan, Izu, Japan Cycle Sports Center (JPN)
2007 2e in Wereldkampioenschap, Op de weg, Ind. tijdrit, Elite B, Cape Town
2007 3e in Alle Afrikaanse Spelen, Op de weg, Algeria
2007 2e in 4e etappe GP Tell, Arosa (SUI)

http://www.gp-tell.ch/2007/et4.shtml
[1 Mathias Frank SUI in 03h 41m 57s
2 Chris Froome GBR op 01m 39s
3 Jakob Fuglsang DEN op 02m 05s]

2008 2e in Eindklassement Giro del Capo (RSA)
2008 174e in 1e etappe Tour de France, Plumelec (FRA)
2008 144e in 2e etappe Tour de France, Saint-Brieuc (FRA)
2008 150e in 3e etappe Tour de France, Nantes (FRA)
2008 33e in 4e etappe Tour de France, Cholet (FRA) ITT 29Km
2008 134e in 5e etappe Tour de France, Châteauroux (FRA)
2008 79e in 6e etappe Tour de France, Super-Besse (FRA) MTF
2008 148e in 7e etappe Tour de France, Aurillac (FRA)
2008 138e in 8e etappe Tour de France, Toulouse (FRA)
2008 51e in 9e etappe Tour de France, Bagnères-de-Bigorre (FRA) MT
2008 120e in 10e etappe Tour de France, Hautacam (FRA) MTF
2008 126e in 11e etappe Tour de France, Foix (FRA)
2008 81e in 12e etappe Tour de France, Narbonne (FRA)
2008 55e in 13e etappe Tour de France, Nîmes (FRA)
2008 18e in 14e etappe Tour de France, Digne-les-Bains (FRA)
2008 127e in 15e etappe Tour de France, Prato Nevoso (FRA) MTF
2008 138e in 16e etappe Tour de France, Jausiers (FRA) MT
2008 31e in 17e etappe Tour de France, L’Alpe-d’Huez (FRA) MTF
2008 114e in 18e etappe Tour de France, Saint-Étienne (FRA)
2008 134e in 19e etappe Tour de France, Montluçon (FRA)
2008 16e in 20e etappe Tour de France, Saint-Amand-Montrond (FRA) ITT 53Km
2008 145e in 21e etappe Tour de France, Paris Champs-Élysées (FRA)
2008 84e in Eindklassement Tour de France (FRA)
2008 3e in Giro dell'Appennino (ITA)
2008 10e in 3e etappe Herald Sun Tour, Marysville (AUS)
2008 2e in 4e etappe Herald Sun Tour, Mt. Buller (AUS)
2008 10e in 5e etappe Herald Sun Tour, TarraWarra Estate (AUS)
2008 4e in Eindklassement Herald Sun Tour (AUS)

2009 3e in 6e etappe Tour Méditerranéen, Toulon - Mont Faron (FRA)
2009 1e in Giro del Capo II, Durbanville (RSA)
2009 8e in Giro del Capo III, Paarl (RSA)
2009 7e in 5e etappe Settimana Ciclistica Lombarda, Flero (ITA)

[1 Domenico Pozzovivo ITA in
2 Davide Rebellin ITA op
3 Daniele Pietropolli ITA op
4 Matteo Carrara ITA op
5 Massimo Giunti ITA op
6 Juan Mauricio Soler Hernández COL op
7 Chris Froome GBR op
8 Ben Hermans BEL op 22s
9 Massimiliano Gentili ITA op
10 Nicklas Axelsson SWE op]

GC
1 Daniele Pietropolli ITA in 18h 52m 11s
2 Juan Mauricio Soler Hernández COL op 29s
3 Davide Rebellin ITA op 36s
4 Massimo Giunti ITA op 01m
5 Matteo Carrara ITA op 01m 01s
6 Carlos José Ochoa VEN op 01m 16s
7 Ben Hermans BEL op 01m 19s
8 Massimiliano Gentili ITA op 01m 25s
9 Luca Zanasca ITA op 01m 35s
10 Steven Kruijswijk NED op 01m 41s
[...]
33 Froome 3m 56s

2009 9e in GP Nobili Rubinetterie (ITA)
2009 91e in 2e etappe Giro d'Italia, Trieste (ITA)
2009 37e in 3e etappe Giro d'Italia, Valdobbiadene (ITA)
2009 48e in 4e etappe Giro d'Italia, San Martino di Castrozza (ITA) MTF
2009 28e in 5e etappe Giro d'Italia, Alpe di Siusi (ITA) MTF
2009 71e in 6e etappe Giro d'Italia, Mayrhofen (ITA)
2009 120e in 7e etappe Giro d'Italia, Chiavenna (ITA)
2009 41e in 8e etappe Giro d'Italia, Bergamo (ITA)
2009 82e in 9e etappe Giro d'Italia, Milano (ITA)
2009 45e in 10e etappe Giro d'Italia, Pinerolo (ITA) MTF
2009 84e in 11e etappe Giro d'Italia, Arenzano (Genova) (ITA)
2009 34e in 12e etappe Giro d'Italia, Riomaggiore (Cinque Terre) (ITA) ITT 62km
2009 106e in 13e etappe Giro d'Italia, Firenze (ITA)
2009 6e in 14e etappe Giro d'Italia, Bologna (San Luca) (ITA)
2009 116e in 15e etappe Giro d'Italia, Faenza (ITA)
2009 25e in 16e etappe Giro d'Italia, Monte Petrano (Cagli) (ITA) MTF
2009 161e in 17e etappe Giro d'Italia, Blockhaus (ITA) MTF
2009 133e in 18e etappe Giro d'Italia, Benevento (ITA)
2009 130e in 19e etappe Giro d'Italia, Vesuvio (ITA)
2009 20e in 20e etappe Giro d'Italia, Anagni (ITA)
2009 36e in Eindklassement Giro d'Italia (ITA)
2009 32e in 21e etappe Giro d'Italia, Roma (ITA) ITT 14.5Km
2009 4e in Nationaal Kampioenschap, Op de weg, Elite, Groot-Brittannië, Abergavenny (GBR)
2009 1e in Anatomic Jock Race (RSA)

2010 8e in 2e etappe Tour du Haut-Var, Montauroux (FRA)

[1 Christophe Le Mevel FRA in 05h 03m 47s
2 Pierrick Fédrigo FRA op
3 Bert De Waele BEL op
4 Cédric Pineau FRA op 02s
5 Julien El Farès FRA op
6 Chris Anker Sørensen DEN op 09s
7 Jérôme Coppel FRA op 15s
8 Chris Froome GBR op 16s
9 Yuri Trofimov RUS op]

2010 9e in Eindklassement Tour du Haut-Var (FRA)[GC
1 Christophe Le Mevel FRA in 09h 02m 43s
2 Bert De Waele BEL op
3 Julien El Farès FRA op 05s
4 Cédric Pineau FRA op
5 Pierrick Fédrigo FRA op 10s
6 Chris Anker Sørensen DEN op 17s
7 Florian Guillou FRA op 19s
8 Aitor Hernandez Gutierrez ESP op 22s
9 Chris Froome GBR op 26s
10 Yuri Trofimov RUS op]
10 Florian Guillou FRA op

 

[Bala Verde]

Continued.....

2010 138e in 1e etappe Giro d'Italia, Amsterdam (ITA)
2010 181e in 2e etappe Giro d'Italia, Utrecht (ITA)
2010 139e in 3e etappe Giro d'Italia, Middelburg (ITA)
2010 2e in 4e etappe Giro d'Italia, Cuneo (ITA) TTT
2010 159e in 5e etappe Giro d'Italia, Novi Ligure (ITA)
2010 97e in 6e etappe Giro d'Italia, Marina di Carrara (ITA)
2010 132e in 7e etappe Giro d'Italia, Montalcino (ITA)
2010 65e in 8e etappe Giro d'Italia, Monte Terminillo (ITA) MTF
2010 108e in 9e etappe Giro d'Italia, Cava De' Tirreni (ITA)
2010 179e in 10e etappe Giro d'Italia, Bitonto (ITA)
2010 167e in 11e etappe Giro d'Italia, L'Aquila (ITA)
2010 125e in 12e etappe Giro d'Italia, Porto Recanati (ITA)
2010 111e in 13e etappe Giro d'Italia, Cesenatico (ITA)
2010 23e in 14e etappe Giro d'Italia, Asolo (ITA) MT
2010 82e in 15e etappe Giro d'Italia, Monte Zoncolan (ITA) MTF
2010 39e in 16e etappe Giro d'Italia, Plan de Corones (ITA) ITT MT

[Stage results
1 GARZELLI Stefano ITA ASA 41:28 0:00
2 EVANS Cadel AUS BMC 42:10 0:42
3 GADRET John FRA ALM 42:22 0:54
4 NIBALI Vincenzo ITA LIQ 42:29 1:01
5 SCARPONI Michele ITA AND 42:35 1:07
6 BASSO Ivan ITA LIQ 42:38 1:10
7 URAN URAN Rigoberto COL GCE 43:04 1:36
8 VINOKOUROV Alexandre KAZ AST 43:05 1:37
9 CATALDO Dario ITA QST 43:09 1:41
10 PETROV Evgeni RUS KAT 43:14 1:46
11 SAMOILAU Branislau BLR QST 43:33 2:05
12 DUPONT Hubert FRA ALM 43:34 2:06
13 TSCHOPP Johann SUI BTL 43:34 2:06
14 CUNEGO Damiano ITA LAM 43:38 2:10
15 SZMYD Sylvester POL LIQ 43:40 2:12
16 ARROYO DURAN David ESP GCE 43:44 2:16
17 PORTE Richie AUS SAX 43:45 2:17
18 TROFIMOV Yury RUS BTL 43:46 2:18
19 SASTRE CANDIL Carlos ESP CTT 43:59 2:31
20 MARTIN Daniel IRL GRM 44:00 2:32
21 CIONI Dario David ITA SKY 44:04 2:36
22 MIHOLJEVIC Vladimir CRO ASA 44:05 2:37
23 MONCOUTIE David FRA COF 44:06 2:38
24 KIRYIENKA Vasil BLR GCE 44:10 2:42
25 PINOTTI Marco ITA THR 44:11 2:43
26 MONIER Damien FRA COF 44:15 2:47
27 WEGELIUS Charles GBR OLO 44:17 2:49
28 ARDILA CANO Mauricio Alberto COL RAB 44:22 2:54
29 MOLLEMA Bauke NED RAB 44:25 2:57
30 SIMONI Gilberto ITA LAM 44:27 2:59
31 KISERLOVSKI Robert CRO LIQ 44:28 3:00
32 MORENO FERNANDEZ Daniel ESP OLO 44:38 3:10
33 MARZANO Marco ITA LAM 44:47 3:19
34 KRUIJSWIJK Steven NED RAB 44:57 3:29
35 EIBEGGER Markus AUT FOT 45:05 3:37
36 KARPETS Vladimir RUS KAT 45:09 3:41
37 SERPA PEREZ Jose Rodolfo COL AND 45:11 3:43
38 VOECKLER Thomas FRA BTL 45:11 3:43
39 FROOME Christopher GBR SKY 45:15 3:47]

2010 146e in 17e etappe Giro d'Italia, Peio Terme (ITA)
2010 151e in 18e etappe Giro d'Italia, Brescia (ITA)
2010 DNF 19e (http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,18702_6177340,00.html)/knee injury

2010 4e in 5e etappe Österreich-Rundfahrt, Deutschlandsberg (AUT)
[1 Nick Nuyens BEL in 03h 37m 37s
2 Giovanni Visconti ITA op
3 Egor Silin RUS op 04s
4 Chris Froome GBR op 12s
5 David Gutiérrez Gutiérrez ESP op 15s
6 Emanuele Sella ITA op 17s
7 Riccardo Riccò ITA op
8 Sergio Pardilla Bellón ESP op
9 Stefan Denifl AUT op 20s
10 Markus Fothen GER op 22s]

2010 9e in 2e etappe Brixia Tour, Lumezzane/Cima Poffe (ITA)

[
1 Domenico Pozzovivo ITA in 03h 46m 33s
2 Pasquale Muto ITA op 39s
3 Morris Possoni ITA op 46s
4 Bartosz Huzarski POL op 54s
5 Fabio Taborre ITA op 01m 03s
6 Marco Marzano ITA op 01m 07s
7 Alessandro Bertuola ITA op 01m 35s
8 Daniel Martin IRL op 01m 42s
9 Chris Froome GBR op 02m 01s
10 Diego Ulissi ITA op 02m 02s]

GC
[1 Domenico Pozzovivo (Ita) Colnago-CSF Inox 15:32:00
2 Morris Possoni (Ita) Sky Professional Cycling Team 0:01:50
3 Daniel Martin (Irl) Garmin - Transitions 0:02:39
4 Diego Ulissi (Ita) Lampre-Farnese Vini 0:03:21
5 Bartosz Huzarski (Pol) ISD - Neri 0:03:36
6 Marco Marzano (Ita) Lampre-Farnese Vini 0:03:49
7 Damiano Caruso (Ita) De Rosa - Stac Plastic 0:04:27
8 Ruslan Pydgornyy (Ukr) ISD - Neri 0:04:35
9 Matteo Carrara (Ita) Vacansoleil Pro Cycling Team 0:04:40
10 Riccardo Chiarini (Ita) De Rosa - Stac Plastic 0:06:05
11 Alessandro Bertuola (Ita) Kalev Chocolate Team - Kuota 0:06:35
12 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Professional Cycling Team 0:06:43
13 Miguel Angel Rubiano Chavez (Col) Meridiana Kamen Team 0:07:05
14 Jackson Rodriguez (Ven) Androni Giocattoli 0:07:07
15 Cristiano Salerno (Ita) De Rosa - Stac Plastic 0:07:09
16 Francesco Masciarelli (Ita) Acqua & Sapone 0:07:10
17 Manuele Mori (Ita) Lampre-Farnese Vini 0:07:49
18 Alberto Contoli (Ita) Colnago-CSF Inox 0:07:57
19 Leonardo Bertagnolli (Ita) Androni Giocattoli 0:08:03
20 Donato Cannone (Ita) Ceramica Flaminia 0:08:38 ]

2010 2e in Nationaal Kampioenschap, Op de weg, Ind. tijdrit, Elite, Groot-Brittannië, Llandeilo (GBR) ITT 52Km

[results
Results
Elite Men
1 Bradley Wiggins Sky Pro Cycling 1:04:55
2 Christopher Froome Sky Pro Cycling 1:06:17
3 Geraint Thomas Sky Pro Cycling 1:06:30
4 Michael Hutchinson In Gear/Quickvit/Trainsharp RT 1:06:58
5 Matthew Bottrill I-Ride.co.uk 1:09:34
6 Robert Partridge Endura Racing 1:10:10
7 Andrew Tennant Motorpoint/Marshalls Pasta 1:10:31
8 Jerone Walters Sigmasport/Specialised 1:10:35
9 Matt Clinton Mike Vaughan Cycles 1:10:50
10 Ashley Cox Team Corley Cycles 1:10:56]
2010 5e in Commonwealth Games, Op de weg, Ind. tijdrit, Delhi


2011 7e in 2e etappe Vuelta Ciclista a Murcia, Alto de Espuña (ESP)
2011 10e in 4e etappe Vuelta Castilla y Leon, Zamora (ESP)
2011 8e in 1e etappe Tour de Romandie, Leysin (SUI)
2011 11e in 2e etappe Tour de Romandie, Romont (SUI)
2011 15e in Eindklassement Tour de Romandie (SUI)
2011 9e in 2e etappe Tour de Luxembourg, Differdange (LUX)
2011 11e in 1e etappe Tour de Suisse, Lugano (SUI)
2011 12e in 2e etappe Tour de Suisse, Crans-Montana (SUI)
2011 9e in 9e etappe Tour de Suisse, Schaffhausen (SUI)

2011 27e in 2e etappe Vuelta a España, Playas Orihuela (ESP)
2011 12e in 3e etappe Vuelta a España, Totana (ESP)
2011 28e in 4e etappe Vuelta a España, Sierra Nevada (ESP) MTF
2011 22e in 5e etappe Vuelta a España, Valdepeñas de Jaén (ESP)
2011 34e in 6e etappe Vuelta a España, Córdoba (ESP)
2011 25e in 7e etappe Vuelta a España, Talavera de la Reina (ESP)
2011 20e in 8e etappe Vuelta a España, San Lorenzo de El Escorial (ESP) MT
2011 5e in 9e etappe Vuelta a España, Sierra de Béjar - La Covatilla (ESP) MTF
2011 2e in 10e etappe Vuelta a España, Salamanca (ESP) ITT 47Km

[Stage 10 results
1 Tony Martin (Ger) HTC-Highroad 0:55:54
2 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky + 0:59
3 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky + 1:22
4 Fabian Cancellara (Swi) Leopard Trek + 1:27
5 Taylor Phinney (USA) BMC Racing + 1:33
6 Jakob Fuglsang (Den) Leopard Trek + 1:37
7 Tiago Machado (Por) RadioShack + 1:54
8 Janez Brajkovic (Slo) RadioShack + 1:56
9 Luis Leon Sanchez Gil (Spa) Rabobank + 2:02
10 Maxime Monfort (Bel) Leopard Trek + 2:06]

2011 34e in 11e etappe Vuelta a España, Manzaneda (ESP) MTF
2011 29e in 12e etappe Vuelta a España, Pontevedra (ESP)
2011 37e in 13e etappe Vuelta a España, Ponferrada (ESP) MT
2011 6e in 14e etappe Vuelta a España, La Farrapona - Lagos de Somiedo (ESP) MTF
2011 4e in 15e etappe Vuelta a España, Alto de l'Anglirú (ESP) MTF
2011 13e in 16e etappe Vuelta a España, Haro (ESP)
2011 1e in 17e etappe Vuelta a España, Peña Cabarga (ESP) MT/MTF
2011 26e in 18e etappe Vuelta a España, Noja (ESP)
2011 16e in 19e etappe Vuelta a España, Bilbao (ESP)
2011 26e in 20e etappe Vuelta a España, Vitoria (ESP) MT
2011 19e in 21e etappe Vuelta a España, Madrid (ESP)
2011 2e in Eindklassement Vuelta a España (ESP)
2011 4e in 1e etappe Tour of Beijing, Water Cube, Olympic Campus (CHN)
2011 3e in 3e etappe Tour of Beijing, Yong Ning (CHN)
2011 3e in Eindklassement Tour of Beijing (CHN)

2012 15e in 2e etappe Critérium du Dauphiné, Saint-Félicien (FRA)
2012 6e in 4e etappe Critérium du Dauphiné, Bourg-en-Bresse (FRA)
2012 6e in 6e etappe Critérium du Dauphiné, Morzine (FRA)
2012 11e in 7e etappe Critérium du Dauphiné, Châtel (FRA)
2012 4e in Eindklassement Critérium du Dauphiné (FRA)

2012 11e in Proloog Tour de France, Liège (FRA)
2012 95e in 1e etappe Tour de France, Seraing (FRA)
2012 39e in 2e etappe Tour de France, Tournai (FRA)
2012 73e in 3e etappe Tour de France, Boulogne-sur-Mer (FRA)
2012 36e in 4e etappe Tour de France, Rouen (FRA)
2012 27e in 5e etappe Tour de France, Saint-Quentin (FRA)
2012 42e in 6e etappe Tour de France, Metz (FRA)
2012 1e in 7e etappe Tour de France, La Planche des Belles Filles (FRA)
2012 7e in 8e etappe Tour de France, Porrentruy (FRA)

 

[asdfgh101]

How come OPQS have Boonen on such a good programme, sign Bottle, and do not offer him the same programme?

No!!!

Boonen's level of improvement this season is somewhat of an illusion.

Wasn't far off last year but had bad luck and injuries. This year the tactics were better, he had a strong team, Cancellara was out, the remaining opposition was below usual levels.

Ibarguren may have aided the cause but the jump in success does not correlate to an equal rise in performance.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

If your evidence against my argument is "I talked to some people at the gym and to my dietitian, and they laughed" may I suggest you take a course in statistics.

I'd suggest a course of something a little stronger than that.

 

[BroDeal]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Armstrong

Boxer Henry Armstrong was simultaneously champion in three divisions. Not sure if his weight swing was 12kg, but pretty close to it, alternating between featherweight and middleweight. Admittedly by the time he made middleweight champion he could only go back down to lightweight and not to flyweight, but still shows substantial losses and gains in muscle mass possible while maintaining power, in an era before modern scientific doping.

If your evidence against my argument is "I talked to some people at the gym and to my dietitian, and they laughed" may I suggest you take a course in statistics.

You are bringing up an example from the 1930's? And a sport that is even more corrupt and manipulated than cycling? Jeebus!

 

[ferryman]

Says the man hiding behind a pseudonym about a rider bashing faceless people he will never see. In person, put him to task, he'll buckle. What's he gonna do? Curse and swear? He's a Pom, any Aussie worth their salt would rip him a new one verbally. Ask our cricket team...no ask the English team. Is he going to hit you? His arm would break. There is only a handfull of pro cyclists who would be pyhsically threatening and on that spectrum he is at the opposite end. My sister could beat Wiggins senseless and she is 5'3."

You also fail to note by engaging the public on that piece of crap called Twitter, you open yourself to ridicule. Twitter is for twits...hence why so many cyclists love it. Self absorbed doping nut jobs mostly. If we were really hating on Wiggins, our language would match his. Duh!

So people who replied to you and OWNED your dumb ar$e, are haters hey? So does that mean you're the opposite? A Sky crotch rider? So what is it, 'spits or swallows?' You know, to borrow an old Austin Powers quote.

You are one mad MTF who I hope never to meet if you are in a bad mood Keep giving it to them my mad Aussie friend. No offence intended

 

[BroDeal]

Where have I said Armstrong is not a doper? Why are you making stuff up??

If I have you confused with someone else then I apologize.

 

[The Hitch]

I feel like that all the time! We all develop and change our views on things as time goes by.

IMO, Wiggins is showing the strain of a man feeling the weight of pressure of being the favourite for yellow, nothing more, regardless of whether he doped or not.

Btw, he may well have apologised to Sastre, for all we know. You're right though, he should have done it publicly.

Im all for changing ones opinions. I dont think enough people do it or are open minded to it, its a quality few have.

But thats not exactly what wiggins has done. He has not gone from thinking doping is rife to thinking it is not, and then explained his progression, his thoughts his arguments.

No, he has regressed from a position of being willing to discuss an issue with some people, to refusing discussion and choosing instead to attack people with insults.

 

[Galic Ho]

Oh, you're Australian, well that's put everything into perspective.

I admire your staunch defence of your argument, but considering your last several posts just seem to be abuse towards posters and cyclists, I'm not sure where you're going with any of this.

Bahahahaha. Saxon, as I said before, drop the UK from your handle.

I've been calling Rogers and Porte out before Wiggins and Froome. You know, the Aussies on team Sky. Sheesh, get with the program man, you're letting the mother land down. At least make the fanboys antics subtle. Free tip, tell Sky to do the same with the doping. Subtlety works like a charm.

 

[Caruut]

I'm just surprised that getting angry at being called a cheat and a liar is considered to be evidence of doping, when it is equally consistent with not doping.

The journalist didn't say "You are doping". He didn't even say "Are you doping?", he said "What do you have to say to those who might accuse you of it?". He gave Wiggins an opportunity to say something constructive, to say that cycling has a past, that some of the Sky riders have a past, that some of their staff have a past, but they were doing it better this time. He didn't do that, he just attacked those who had the temerity to question him.

 

[Galic Ho]

I'm not looking through someone's posts to see if they're fanboys or not, I'll leave that up to you, as you seem to have plenty of time for that sort of thing!

But as for Sky doping,I'll let you into a secret.... it's not just them! I'm aware they're getting it cos Wiggins is in yellow and Froome is top 6 or 7 and rightly so until they can prove otherwise they're in my eyes doping, but surely anyone who keeps up with doped riders for 21 days or tough/hard stages has to be doped themselves! Although shockingly there is a lack of threadage for the other teams.

Do you not go back and re-read all the pages you miss on a thread? If the answer is no then that would explain you're not being up to date on the posting habits of particular posters. It also explains your second paragraph. No *** doping is going on else where other than Sky. We're not at day 21 yet. This thread is about Sky and took off because it appears Sky have a team based doping program. People doping alone stand next to no chance against a system wide program which has produced the results Sky have done this season. That's the point of this thread...not that anyone hear posting credibly or rationally assumed everyone else was clean. No, we're presuming Sky have a system wide program that has taken it to a whole other level.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Do you not go back and re-read all the pages you miss on a thread? If the answer is no then that would explain you're not being up to date on the posting habits of particular posters. It also explains your second paragraph. No *** doping is going on else where other than Sky. We're not at day 21 yet. This thread is about Sky and took off because it appears Sky have a team based doping program. People doping alone stand next to no chance against a system wide program which has produced the results Sky have done this season. That's the point of this thread...not that anyone hear posting credibly or rationally assumed everyone else was clean. No, we're presuming Sky have a system wide program that has taken it to a whole other level.

Anybody want a shot at translating this diatribe into a coherent argument in English, for my benefit?

 

[Galic Ho]

Yes, that's it, we fail to be able to apply the necessary mental skills under pressure, as a whole nation, as a collective event. I think you're onto something

Btw, Mr. Federer might have had something to do with proceedings.

Btw also, nobody told our cricketers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Murray-sets-epic-battle-Wimbledon-title.html

Go read the comments. England's finest being sullied once again by the lower rank and file. That's how Scotland is viewed. Murray's detractors in the UK arguably outweigh his fans. But this is old news. It's not like there is a running joke about how Murray is a Brit until he loses. Then he is simply Scotish.

Nobody told your cricketers. Bahahahaha. Good job yet again. Ask Steve Waugh, Warnie and Glenn McGrath about sledging. History really isn't your strong point. Then go ask Marcus Trescothick why he hurried on back to the UK one Ashes campaign before facing a single ball. He knew the sledging was coming and couldn't cope. Not just from the Aussie cricketers, but the English media, who so graciously turn on their own.

 

[Galic Ho]

Anybody want a shot at translating this diatribe into a coherent argument in English, for my benefit?

When the crotch of a Sky rider is in your face seeing is a little hard. Keep it up fanboy. Those Sky riders do love their fanboys. How is the groupie train going?

 

[hrotha]

Doped or not, Wiggins went full *** with his reply.

SPOILER: doped.

 

[maxmartin]

And what is the deal of SKY communicating with ASO about Wiggin's training data? Why a team give race organization training data? Is it a normal practice? If so what's the point?

 

[Caruut]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Murray-sets-epic-battle-Wimbledon-title.html

Go read the comments. England's finest being sullied once again by the lower rank and file. That's how Scotland is viewed. Murray's detractors in the UK arguably outweigh his fans. But this is old news. It's not like there is a running joke about how Murray is a Brit until he loses. Then he is simply Scotish.

Nobody told your cricketers. Bahahahaha. Good job yet again. Ask Steve Waugh, Warnie and Glenn McGrath about sledging. History really isn't your strong point. Then go ask Marcus Trescothick why he hurried on back to the UK one Ashes campaign before facing a single ball. He knew the sledging was coming and couldn't cope. Not just from the Aussie cricketers, but the English media, who so graciously turn on their own.

Oh come on, Trescothick had depression. Have some class, man.