Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[thehog]

Hog, if you don't have any evidence of this, and it seems you don't, you need to back it off a bit. Thanks.

Apologies.

I was speaking in the past tense. ie what LL had reported by avidavit. And that Sky hired that same Doctor.

I also reference the Rabobank trials which many cyclists (young) reported that Lienders administered and injected riders.

I'm not here to cause trouble but sworn avidavits and court room testimonies is very strong evidence.

I've never suggested Lienders did the same at Sky. Only that Sky hired the Doctor in question.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Your knowledge of cycling really is embarrassing. Dr Ibarguren will ensure Cavendish has a great season. He worked wonders on Gilbert at Lotto then last year for Boonen at OPQS and now Cav should win a monument or 2.

2? Which of Lombardia, LBL, RvV or PR will Cav win?

Leinders couldn't even get Cav over Le Manie, btw, so this guy must be the business.

 

[will10]

2? Which of Lombardia, LBL, RvV or PR will Cav win?

Leinders couldn't even get Cav over Le Manie, btw, so this guy must be the business.

He sure is. Did you not see Terpstra at the Dutch Nats? Holy moly.

 

[Wiggo Warrior]

I agree with everything you've written.

So, how did he get back to such good form for the Dauphine, a mere five weeks after Romandie?



Leinders was left off official team lists (eg. for the 2012 season) though wasn't he?

Not according to JRanton's post above linking to three races where he was the team doctor.

Alan Farrell, Sky's first full time doctor, joined him at Romandie to learn the ropes before going on to be the team doctor at all three grand tours this year.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Leinders was left off official team lists (eg. for the 2012 season) though wasn't he?

No, he was on the team for Romandie, Dauphine and P-N, but not for TdF and Algarve. Basically, there's no evidence there to suggest that there's a correlation between his naming on the website and Sky's success at a particular race.

 

[Froome19]

Apologies.

I was speaking in the past tense. ie what LL had reported by avidavit. And that Sky hired that same Doctor.

I also reference the Rabobank trials which many cyclists (young) reported that Lienders administered and injected riders.

I'm not here to cause trouble but sworn avidavits and court room testimonies is very strong evidence.

I've never suggested Lienders did the same at Sky. Only that Sky hired the Doctor in question.

Is there a reference to these sworn affidavits?
Or are they just media speculation which has not been confirmed?

 

[JRanton]

A quote from Froome but I would find it far fetched that he would make up such a thing when it is so easy to track down

Sorry but we need some independent confirmation. This is the problem with cycling, nowhere near enough transparency in a sport that desparately needs it after being plagued by doping scandals for decades.

I take it you don't have more than 50% confidence in Froome being clean then? That doesn't say much does it? Even his biggest fan thinks it's more likely that he's dirty than clean.

 

[will10]

No, he was on the team for Romandie, Dauphine and P-N, but not for TdF and Algarve. Basically, there's no evidence there to suggest that there's a correlation between his naming on the website and Sky's success at a particular race.

No evidence!

Mods, please close this thread.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

No evidence!

Mods, please close this thread.

Apologies if I missed it Will, but where's the evidence of correlation between his naming on the website and Sky's success at a particular race?

 

[JRanton]

No, he was on the team for Romandie, Dauphine and P-N, but not for TdF and Algarve. Basically, there's no evidence there to suggest that there's a correlation between his naming on the website and Sky's success at a particular race.

Leinders was there for Wiggins and the team's three big targets before the Tour de France and I imagine the only reason he didn't appear at the Tour was because of the chatter that started about him in the spring.

 

[Froome19]

I take it you don't have more than 50% confidence in Froome being clean then? That doesn't say much does it? Even his biggest fan thinks it's more likely that he's dirty than clean.

I do have more than 50% confidence that Froome is clean.
Though I would not want to say how much over that number exactly

As Libertine has said Froome's rise is unnatural. But it is not inexplicable.

 

[Joachim]

Apologies.

I was speaking in the past tense. ie what LL had reported by avidavit[sic]. And that Sky hired that same Doctor.
.

No you weren't

This is Sky hiring a Doctor who injects chemicals into then bloodstreams of young men.

He jabs young cyclists with syringes topped full of EPO and extracts then refuses their blood. Leinders should be named Good Samaritan of the year.

Instead he injects chemicals into the bloodstreams of young men.

My bold showing present tense, not past.

You also said this:

The fact that Sky hired him shows exactly what there [sic] about.

There is direct evidence of doping.

Fact: Sky hired nerafious[sic] doping doctor.
Conclusion: team-wide systematic doping program.

Why start back-tracking now?

 

[thehog]

Is there a reference to these sworn affidavits?
Or are they just media speculation which has not been confirmed?

Come on Froome19. You need to do the heavy lifting on your own.

I report the events not speculate.


It's all at CyclingNews.com.

As previously stated; it's a sad day for cycling. Trying to spin it into something else is naive and frankly I think it's a slap in the face to those cyclists who choose to ride clean.

If you chose to believe that a sworn avivdet is not strong enough evidence then I can't help you.

You need to mark the. 24th December in your calendar. The day cycling died.

Speaking informally; should anyone really be trying to defend this situation? Regardless of favourite teams etc. doping kills the sport. Sure love team Sky but don't accept doping.

 

[ebandit]

fact or fiction?

Apologies.

I was speaking in the past tense. ie what LL had reported by avidavit. And that Sky hired that same Doctor.

I also reference the Rabobank trials which many cyclists (young) reported that Lienders administered and injected riders.

I'm not here to cause trouble but sworn avidavits and court room testimonies is very strong evidence.

I've never suggested Lienders did the same at Sky. Only that Sky hired the Doctor in question.

hoggie your previous quoted that leinders had transfused blood............

was that in leipheimers statement........or did you make this bit up?

 

[ebandit]

damned lies

I report the events not speculate.

hoggie......another lie? you speculate all the time......even mods warn you about it
remember the wiggo / ferrari link.............or video proof of team sky doping?

 

[Froome19]

Come on Froome19. You need to do the heavy lifting on your own.

I report the events not speculate.


It's all at CyclingNews.com.

As previously stated; it's a sad day for cycling. Trying to spin it into something else is naive and frankly I think it's a slap in the face to those cyclists who choose to ride clean.

If you chose to believe that a sworn avivdet is not strong enough evidence then I can't help you.

You need to mark the. 24th December in your calendar. The day cycling died.

Speaking informally; should anyone really be trying to defend this situation? Regardless of favourite teams etc. doping kills the sport. Sure love team Sky but don't accept doping.

You may be right, but a newspaper article without proof.. How could they have seen the affidavits?

Anyways there is no direct correlation between that claim and Leinders leading a doping programme at Sky.

And please cut out all the rubbish about "day cycling died". It really does not get you anywhere asides from on the nerves of everyone posting in this thread.

 

[Wiggo Warrior]

A quick straw poll:

Is there anyone posting here who has an above 50% confidence that Sky and particularly the Tenerife gang are clean?

I am somewhere above 50% but below 100% confident that they are all clean

 

[Joachim]

Speaking informally; should anyone really be trying to defend this situation? .

No. I don't think anybody else is trying to defend the doping at Rabobank either. I would hazard a guess that Sky wouldn't either which is why they didn't renew Leinders contract.

 

[thehog]

You may be right, but a newspaper article without proof.. How could they have seen the affidavits?

Anyways there is no direct correlation between that claim and Leinders leading a doping programme at Sky.

And please cut out all the rubbish about "day cycling died". It really does not get you anywhere asides from on the nerves of everyone posting in this thread.

Froome19 for this post you win a free copy of "might as well win".

Are you arguing with me or arguing with your own inner reason?

Are you really suggesting that LL's sworn avidaviet that was crossed checked to Grand Jury testimony is fiddlesticks?

After everything cycling has been through you're not only defending Lienders but the testimonies that rid the sport of Armstrong are false.

Heaven help us.

I cannot believe what I'm reading.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Ryo, you thought Ivailo Gabrovski was clean so I'm not exactly sure that you're best placed to judge which riders are doping and which aren't.

so did christophe bassons, who the entire clinic believes.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I think you're probably right. However, 'like it or not' Nys dominated the cyclo-cross scene for years with Rabobank on his chest. He is not above suspicion in the slightest.

the rabo tt3 and pt team have nothing to do with each other. also not the same directors

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

He finished 1 minute behind Contador on Verbier. Considering how doped up Contador was for that, then if you believe Wiggins was clean back that year (also the year he was Armstrongs number 1 disciple) then Wiggins very much is on the level of Contador and Schleck.

Ps- have you forgotten that Wiggins own argument for being great now is that the sport is clean. Explain then how he ends up flying so high in 1 of the most doped Tour de Frances, with known dopers in 1st 3rd 5th 6th and 8th positions.

contador doped? lol

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Your trolling isn't going to work if you keep overlooking important characters like Dr. Ibarguren.

who? the doctor who transformed quickstep finally into a team doing well in gt's and classics? oh wait.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

It was his first attempt after never cracking the top 100 in previous attempts.

That 2009 result was a joke. He was there because of a long team time trial that eliminated all the contenders on teams other than CSC, Astana, and Garmin. The course was soft. As multiple people there, including Vaughters, Astana controlled the pace and ithe Tour was ridden easy to not eliminate Armstrong. The mountain stages consisted of one climb at the end, except for the only decent stage to La Grand-Bornand, and Wiggins was dropped like a stone on that one. I predicted that Wiggins would be destroyed in 2010 because all it would take would be mountain stages that had multiple difficult climbs, which he had never showed he could handle. He was destroyed. Then at the end of 2011, he and Froome turn into ubermen. It was like watching Vino and Kash, just a mockery of the sport.

the 2009 tour was soft? the 2012 tour was way softer in both course and how it was ridden and there the level field was much lower than 2009

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Guess the ladd doesnt even know who mister Taus is.

Waste of time this fanboy.

Note: all the SKY pre Leinders 2010 results came of sprints or prologues. Suddenly, when the saddle sore man came in to place, the team rocked the boat in GT's and shorter stage tours. All a coincidence of course.

yeah because all other major teams rule from the first year they started