Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[BroDeal]

Out of interest why do people say Sky is a British team ? They are owned by an Aussie and ride Italian bikes... the whole Jingoistic attitude that has been manufactured is starting to smell really bad.

This is good practice for when the truth is revealed.

"They weren't British! They were aussie...Italian too."

 

[Hugh Januss]

This is good practice for when the truth is revealed.

"They weren't British! They were aussie...Italian too."

An Aussie team who's stated goal (for some reason) was to see a Brit win the Tour.

 

[Froome19]

Out of interest why do people say Sky is a British team ? They are owned by an Aussie and ride Italian bikes... the whole Jingoistic attitude that has been manufactured is starting to smell really bad.

What difference does it make who owns them or what bikes they ride to their nationality?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Out of interest why do people say Sky is a British team ? They are owned by an Aussie and ride Italian bikes... the whole Jingoistic attitude that has been manufactured is starting to smell really bad.

A lot of the jingoism was manufactured by them themselves. They're British-registered, British-led, with a stated aim of a British Tour winner and marketed themselves as Britain's first Pro team.

This isn't Farnese Vini being a British team, a flag of convenience born out of evading rider salary laws or tax levies based on being an Italian team (see also Colnago and Utensilnord being based out of Ireland, like LPR before them). This is a team that has consciously identified itself as British and gone out of its way to cultivate that conflation of itself with Britain. This is further exacerbated by the blurred lines of where British Cycling ends and Team Sky begins.

 

[thehog]

What difference does it make who owns them or what bikes they ride to their nationality?

Froome19. Merry Christmas.

I agree.

But it does matter what Doctor they hire.

 

[oldcrank]

You need to mark the. 24th December in your calendar. The day cycling died.

And along with it, thehog's credibility. Three months after his
proclamation that "Ferrari is working with Wiggins.100%!!"
and still no source, no link, no proof. RIP thehog's credibility.
Yes, we know it took years and years to take down Lance,
but you know 100% that BMW is working with Ferrari, so are
you protecting someone (ie are you part of the Omerta?) or
are you spreading untruths?

 

[MatParker117]

Out of interest why do people say Sky is a British team ? They are owned by an Aussie and ride Italian bikes... the whole Jingoistic attitude that has been manufactured is starting to smell really bad.

Based at Manchester Velodrome
Brailsford is also BC performance director
Majority of riders are British

 

[Joachim]

A lot of the jingoism was manufactured by them themselves.

It isn't jingoism. Wrong word and holding negative connotations that aren't there. Sky is identifying itself as a British team, what else could it identify itself as if it wants to identify with a particular country? There are plenty of teams that wrap themselves in flags.

Possibly the reason why is for the added cachet of being a successful British team on the pro circuit. There has never really been a succesful British team. But yes, you are correct that the boundaries between Team GB and Sky are sometimes a bit blurry

 

[martinvickers]

It isn't jingoism. Wrong word and holding negative connotations that aren't there. Sky is identifying itself as a British team, what else could it identify itself as if it wants to identify with a particular country? There are plenty of teams that wrap themselves in flags.

Possibly the reason why is for the added cachet of being a successful British team on the pro circuit. There has never really been a successful British team. But yes, you are correct that the boundaries between Team GB and Sky are sometimes a bit blurry

TeamSky is basically a joint venture between the National Federation's elite performance wing and a sponsor/owner that's a national broadcaster - it would be bonkers for the team NOT to be the defacto British pro national road team.

 

[thehog]

All I am saying is that nothing is assured, unlike your post suggested.

Nothing is assured?

That's a nice "get out of jail" card.

I'm sorry but Sky hired a Doctor who injected young men with EPO.

Perhaps Wiggins and Brailsford could clarify the matter?

Then you might be assured.

Even though its Christmas its still a sad week for cycling

So many questions so little answers from Sky.

All I ask for is the truth.

 

[workingclasshero]

there's one thing I would like to say about bole. a friend of me personally, an italian knew bole pretty well as an u23 and junior rider. bole tried all he could to get on an italian team(via my friend) and out of slovenian u23 racing. bole said it was full of dope and he didn't want any of it. now it might be that bole either lied(my friend believed him and he had reasons) or that he changed his attitude as a pro, or that he is indeed clean.

so .... a long story which is meant as what can only be described as an obscure claim to fame ends up in saying that Bole either dopes or he doesn't. Well, thanks for that.

Brailsford should be sacked.

I mean to go from a stated policy of hiring British doctors who hadn't previously worked in cycling to hiring Geert Leinders is unforgivable.

spot on. Couldn't possibly agree more.

 

[Benotti69]

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So many questions so little answers from Sky.

All I ask for is the truth.

In cycling the truth is the hardest thing to hear, find, uncover, discover........

 

[Joachim]

Nothing is assured?
That's a nice "get out of jail" card.

Not as nice as yours. You can never be proved wrong. Very easy position to hold requiring no balls.

So many questions so little answers from Sky.

All I ask for is the truth.

Brailsford gave his answer months ago. How many times do you want him to repeat it? Whatever he says, you'll just repeat the same thing ad nauseam. See the above. If they are doping, the truth may come out at some point. If they aren't then you'll never be proved wrong

You've got nothing at all to say, and you say it very loudly.

 

[Bexon30]

so .... a long story which is meant as what can only be described as an obscure claim to fame ends up in saying that Bole either dopes or he doesn't. Well, thanks for that.



spot on. Couldn't possibly agree more.

Brailsford should definatly go this needs more media coverage.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Funny man, really. Do some homework when visiting the clinic, please.

I see you have no arguments and you throw it on that. typical clinic

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

You mean the guy who then jumped to a Pro Tour team, was under greater scrutiny from the bio passport, and basically disappeared? That guy?

why was my post deleted and not this? this is ridiculous. soler was in a coma, that's why he's out of the wt and he was never under any scrutiny from bio passport. unless you can prove otherwise

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Really? You are forgetting about weaseling out of his contract with Garmin. He was so committed to turning his attention to GC that he abandoned a team that was chock full of time trialists and climbers, a team that had fantastic support for the GC of GTs, sporting riders who had top gone top ten in multiple GTs. He went to a team that had no support and no experience riding for GT GCs. If Wiggins had designs on GC then one has to conclude that he was looking for something other than support riders and experience. Hiring Lienders gave us the answer to that.

it's funny cosnidering you find it weird he left garmin, where he had a measly salary compared to sky, yet you attack him riding in track, because there he couldn't make nearly as much money as in road. now what is it?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

At least Garmin has a history of riders on the team performing worse than they did when they were on the sauce. Sky, on the other hand, has a history of riders reaching heights above and beyond what Dr. Ferrari could deliver. I don't recall Garmin producing any Froome-like transformations, where a rider who was scrounging for any team to give him a contract is magically turned into a world beater.

hesjedal

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[thehog]

In cycling the truth is the hardest thing to hear, find, uncover, discover........

I agree. Spot on.

You'd think after the Armstrong Affair that there be a price on truth. But with Sky there is.

Sad.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Out of interest why do people say Sky is a British team ? They are owned by an Aussie and ride Italian bikes... the whole Jingoistic attitude that has been manufactured is starting to smell really bad.

even in this topic this post stands out as being full of ignorance. yes I remember well looking at teams what country there bikes are from, or who owns them. quickstep is now a czech team and saxo russian?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I see you have no arguments and you throw it on that. typical clinic

I even replie to this stupidity, must be my christmas spirit.

lotto, agreed but that was 10 years ago when peloton was still on the juice.

Where was Taus last year and wich rider rocked all year? Hint, he won the worlds this year after a poor poor season.

 

[wirral]

I can't wait to see JTL smash up the World Tour and this thread will go ballistic.

 

[ebandit]

yes inded

I agree. Spot on.

You'd think after the Armstrong Affair that there be a price on truth. But with Sky there is.

Sad.

yes truth hoggie..............but here in the clinic your lies have been highlighted for all to see

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

hesjedal

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yeah or wiggins, vandevelde etc

 

[thehog]

I do note that the classic Armstrong tactic is being deployed on myself.

Rather than address the questions being posed they just shoot and defame the person posing the questions.

Disappointing.