Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[plooton]

Why would bone idle ****ers not hate football as well as cycling? Surely they despise all forms of human achievement, seeking to force everyone to dwell only in damp caves.

Maybe you are biased a little. Between casting doubts on Sky's achievements and disrespecting human achievements in general there lies a bit of hollow space.

 

[The Hitch]

Well, what he seems to have learned is, just, not to. Though to be honest I just find it really hard to pin down contador; on the one hand he seems pretty obviously 'dialled way down' from his pre ping heights- probably for obvious reasons too - but then you get Vuelta '12. I end up wondering is that spain specific or GT specific. time will tell, I suppose. I am NOT convinced on the SaxExpress. Roche doe not look like he wants to be there to me, which is deeply sad; Rogers has clearly lost the secret sauce, one way or the other.



granted.



I have nothing but a hunch, but a hunch, that Wiggins will do nothing much in the Giro. I'm not buying the 'steady build' - when Wiggins is 'on form' (2012) we saw what he was like, and he ain't at that level.



I'm just dialling forward to GC's, and assuming wiggins gets some sort of form back in time for le tour, I see a frightening team of killer diesels and that's before working out if Thomas, Stannard and Boassen Hagen are returning. Sitting steady is not going to break that sort of team. Hell, I'm not even sure if 'splitting' for the giro-tour double will even weaken it that much, there's at least a dozen borgs to pick from.

On one of my rare visits to Twitter today I saw someone retweet a Roche tweet saying something like - well done contador, now win it in the tt tomorrow. So I think he's ok at saxo.

I don't see how Contador with all the smiles and the talk about how he's going for the tour win can possibly be anywhere near top form. If he turns up like this in July it will be a thousand times worse than if he were to just say that he doesn't have the heart for it anymore or something. That and saxo seems pretty upbeat too. Riis himself is better off retiring than offering this Contador as his gt leader.

I suspect the tour will be a huge clinic debate over what is more suspicious - froome peaking all year or Contador peaking for the tour. Which is very similar to what we has in 2010 when it was Contador peaking all year ( or most anyway, he sucked in ci unlike froome) vs schleck peaking for July. Only this time Contador fans and detractors switch places. Pointless argument imo since there have been major chargers who peaked all year and major chargers who peaked the once but its going to happen.

Wiggins excuse for being off form now is the imo perfectly reasonable comment that he wants to be on top form for 2 gts ( I'm not taking his comment of going for all 3, seriously). While by last years standards peaking from march through July may not seem too out of reach for Wiggins, he's probably playing it on the safe side. Either way his performance in catalynua was impressive for someone only on prep mode considering in 2010 with slightly different setbacks his performances were quite a bit worse.

 

[D-Queued]

the day a sky rider produces a similar power rating to armstrong is the day i will happily concede they are despicable dope cheats

Gosh, he really should have tried for the hour record.



And missed by a country mile.

He is just trolling. Noone is that dumb

Scores upon scores of interns have demonstrated that there is no limit.

 

[Ripper]

None of you guys appreciate good cycling. If you despise the current cyclists, **** off and watch football. Your all lonely keyboard warriors

Troll ... or ...

Cheers Brad.

Priceless!

 

[Ripper]

if we're gonna have 100 posts claiming doping every time Sky win a race this will be the longest thread in the history of the internet

Sorta speaks volumes, don't it?

 

[workingclasshero]

Every other team doesn't have Rod Ellingworth, Shaun Stephens & Tim Kerrison. If the coaches & sports scientists trying to replicate the training methods are doing a terrible of it as Sky evolve there own methods the it stands to reason the gap will keep getting wider.

I'm sorry but there really are no secrets to training in endurance sports like cycling. Evolving their own methods, with their big team of scientists. ffs, get a grip. Yesterday I read a scientific report on how hill repeats are good for runners. Really??? Gee Thanks mr sports scientist, got any more secrets to share?

"but how about sky inventing warming down?"

fking warm-downs. that angers me so much no actually, it makes me go all inventing fking warm-downs

 

[victorschipolrijk]

What I want to know is, if Michael Rogers was on the secret undetectable sauce, surely he can tell Bjarne, and get all the boys on it? Why would he hold out now?

If the sauce is secret , how on earth can they know what they are taking ???
All they would know is that they are taking something and it is working .
The doctors work for Sky , not for Rogers or Wiggins or Froome or Porte , so only Sky management knows what is the secret sauce , if you are in the team , you get it , if you are not , you don't

 

[workingclasshero]

If the sauce is secret , how on earth can they know what they are taking ???
All they would know is that they are taking something and it is working .
The doctors work for Sky , not for Rogers or Wiggins or Froome or Porte , so only Sky management knows what is the secret sauce , if you are in the team , you get it , if you are not , you don't

If saxo don't do the secret weapon of warming down, how come Rodgers isn't sharing that info, that can on its own transform a donkey to a fine race horse

 

[spalco]

If the sauce is secret , how on earth can they know what they are taking ???
All they would know is that they are taking something and it is working .
The doctors work for Sky , not for Rogers or Wiggins or Froome or Porte , so only Sky management knows what is the secret sauce , if you are in the team , you get it , if you are not , you don't

Doctors medicating athletes without telling them what they are doing (or maybe even without consent)? Not unprecedented, but if that's what Sky's doing, then the ****'s going far deeper than "just" cheating in sports...

 

[victorschipolrijk]

Doctors medicating athletes without telling them what they are doing (or maybe even without consent)? Not unprecedented, but if that's what Sky's doing, then the ****'s going far deeper than "just" cheating in sports...

If you hire your own good doping doctor , you know you won't be paying peanuts , you'll have to shell at least $70,000 a year for his services , and that is not counting performance bonus . In this case you will know what you are taking , because you are paying for that .
That is not the case of a team doctor , being paid by the team, and not by the cyclist .
When a cyclist sees how the Sky riders are performing , he wouldn't care to know the sauce's composition , all he'd want is to get some .

 

[spalco]

Yeah, I'm not saying it's impossible (in fact, if Sky's doping, it's probably the most credible option that the riders themselves know only as little as absolutely necessary about the details), but they would really be getting into dangerous territory with that.

What if one of the riders develops cancer in a couple years and sues Brailsford for being responsible?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Yeah, I'm not saying it's impossible (in fact, if Sky's doping, it's probably the most credible option that the riders themselves know only as little as absolutely necessary about the details), but they would really be getting into dangerous territory with that.

What if one of the riders develops cancer in a couple years and sues Brailsford for being responsible?

Brailsford won't be involved. Not directly. Ellingworth is the one in the media saying this rider and that rider need to step up.

 

[leon7766]

Just enjoy the doping.

Drugs are very bad I dont think you should be promoting their use

 

[leon7766]

Troll ... or ...



Priceless!

Surely not thats said everytime some sensible person comes onto the forum

 

[spalco]

Brailsford won't be involved. Not directly. Ellingworth is the one in the media saying this rider and that rider need to step up.

Regardless, the ****storm resulting from such a development would put the Armstrong saga to shame.

 

[leon7766]

Sorta speaks volumes, don't it?

I think it says the same six people

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Every other team doesn't have Rod Ellingworth, Shaun Stephens & Tim Kerrison. If the coaches & sports scientists trying to replicate the training methods are doing a terrible of it as Sky evolve there own methods the it stands to reason the gap will keep getting wider.

Lol Rabo/Blanco has had two sport/physiology scientists working for their team for almost 6/7 years now.

Garmin have the same with the likes of Adrie Van Diemen.

They're no idiots either... so why doesn't it work as well as for Sky?

 

[spalco]

^^
Half an answer (because it almost certainly doesn't/didn't apply to Rabobank) is that Sky has much more money to spend, which affects a team on all levels, but most prominently in the talent of riders they can afford to hire.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Regardless, the ****storm resulting from such a development would put the Armstrong saga to shame.

Oh definitely. They have a few layers of protection in place (ASO onside, BC-UCI link, media clout), and I get the feeling cycling in the UK is even more tightly knit than in the US, so getting some leaks happening is going to be a big ask.

Even the lowly guys like mechanics (ala Mike Anderson) want to keep their jobs and usually that's all they have to fall back on. It's a case of damned if you do, employed if you don't. Noone's paying whistleblower fees.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

^^
Half an answer (because it almost certainly doesn't/didn't apply to Rabobank) is that Sky has much more money to spend, which affects a team on all levels, but most prominently in the talent of riders they can afford to hire.

BMC say hi.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

^^
Half an answer (because it almost certainly doesn't/didn't apply to Rabobank) is that Sky has much more money to spend, which affects a team on all levels, but most prominently in the talent of riders they can afford to hire.

Popovych says hi.

 

[ebandit]

hi

Popovych says hi.

Mark L says hi

Mark L

ps will this thread be the longest ever on cn forum or will mods break it down

Sky still possibly believable / Sky unbelievable / Sky completely unbelievable

or will Team Sky NOT Win another GT and the thread fizzle out?

 

[Netserk]

I have just deleted some posts. Please keep on topic and refrain from insults.

Thanks.

 

[Ferminal]

BMC say hi.

Not much cash floating around in the former Republic either.

 

[timmers]

Oh definitely. They have a few layers of protection in place (ASO onside, BC-UCI link, media clout), and I get the feeling cycling in the UK is even more tightly knit than in the US, so getting some leaks happening is going to be a big ask.

Even the lowly guys like mechanics (ala Mike Anderson) want to keep their jobs and usually that's all they have to fall back on. It's a case of damned if you do, employed if you don't. Noone's paying whistleblower fees.

Really? So you know nothing about UK cycling apart from that Sky is doping! Most riders and staff of the Sky team spend as much time in the UK as Greenedge spend in Australia! Stuff all! They are based in continental Europe!

Mike Anderson wasn't a mechanic but if you had the dirt in the UK you could make a fortune going to the newspapers!

It appears you are Australian so it must be very disappointing that a Tasmanian is making the big time in Europe with a British registered team. I would have thought that you might wish him well but C'est le vie.