Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[oldcrank]

Apparently lots of riders in the giro with chest infections and colds. Go figure.

Yup, even happened to Greg LeMond. Asthma apparently.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Define worst.

Absolute most use of dope. Riis and all the other Sixty Percenters most likely were.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Yup, even happened to Greg LeMond. Asthma apparently.

LOL you won't give up, will ya?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Absolute most use of dope. Riis and all the other Sixty Percenters most likely were.

At that time there was no threat of an EPO positive as there was no test. Riis's generation and probably a few years prior to that would be their own hall of fame no one from later years could touch.

Then the arbitrary hematocrit level was introduced. Add later tests for EPO and CERA and you've got a third kind of performance not like the other two. And I haven't even mentioned the UCI's habit of hiding positives.

This is the fundamental problem of focusing exclusively on the athletes doping. The UCI has not stopped encouraging doping. They've just changed the rules.

 

[Bexon30]

At that time there was no threat of an EPO positive as there was no test. Riis's generation and probably a few years prior to that would be their own hall of fame no one from later years could touch.

Then the arbitrary hematocrit level was introduced. Add later tests for EPO and CERA and you've got a third kind of performance not like the other two. And I haven't even mentioned the UCI's habit of hiding positives.

This is the fundamental problem of focusing exclusively on the athletes doping. The UCI has not stopped encouraging doping. They've just changed the rules.

I agree with what your saying but could you enlighten me as to how they changed the rules please.
Lance bribed right? What about BigMig before? And then post Lance?

Cheers Bexon.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Apparently lots of riders in the giro with chest infections and colds. Go figure.

Half my office, too.

Most of the kids down our local athletics track have an inhaler.

Whatever, they're dots worth adding.

 

[blackcat]

Half my office, too.

Most of the kids down our local athletics track have an inhaler.

Whatever, they're dots worth adding.

about 90% of Australian Institute of Sport have one of those TUE's for asthma and bronchiodilaters for the Olympics.

 

[D-Queued]

Half my office, too.

Most of the kids down our local athletics track have an inhaler.

Whatever, they're dots worth adding.

When I was in High School, we were told that asthma was all in your head.

During 2001-2010, the proportion of persons with asthma in the United States increased by 14.8 percent.

...

In 2009, asthma accounted for 3,388 deaths, 479,300 hospitalizations, 1.9 million emergency department (ED) visits, and 8.9 million physician office visits.

The estimated total cost of asthma to society, including medical expenses ($50.1 billion per year), loss of productivity resulting from missed school or work days ($3.8 billion per year), and premature death ($2.1 billion per year), was $56 billion (2009 dollars) in 2007.

I was diagnosed ~10 years ago. Turns out it is in my lungs, and not in my head.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

"You don't have to wear a space suit and pointy helmet to ride a bike," said Chris DiStefano, spokesman for Rapha, whose chief marketing officer once handled the Lance Armstrong account at Nike.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324767004578485194028851214.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

 

[ianfra]

All fair points, and I will freely admit that I don't think (even though the numbers do not necessarily help me) that Wiggins would have podiumed in any of Armstrong's Tours. I don't however find that to be conclusive proof he is clean as I think he would have been in the top 10. I want Wiggins to be clean, but I am very suspicious of cycling in general now, and his dominance last year did not make me want to jump on the "we finally have a clean Tour champion" bandwagon.

I don't think Wiggins was 'dominant' in the Tour. Froome? But happily, in my considered opinion, both clean riders. Not my favourite team, but happy to acknowledge that there are people in this world who are honest. Not everyone is a cheating scumbag.

 

[Ferminal]

Because all dopers are bad people?

 

[Ripper]

What is happening right now (the day after the rest day...) is ridiculous. All of a sudden, the entire Sky team are better climbers than the rest of the peloton. Nothing suspicious about that....

C'mmon Chewwie. You can't convince the Skybots that this is anything but the plan 'cause it was a real mountain.

Their blind.

Fanboys.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I don't think Wiggins was 'dominant' in the Tour. Froome? But happily, in my considered opinion, both clean riders. Not my favourite team, but happy to acknowledge that there are people in this world who are honest. Not everyone is a cheating scumbag.

2 weeks in the yellow jersey and then smashing all and sundry in the final TT looked pretty darn dominant to me.

 

[Kender]

2 weeks in the yellow jersey and then smashing all and sundry in the final TT looked pretty darn dominant to me.

was only in yellow the whole time casue the dawg was on a leash

 

[BroDeal]

I don't think Wiggins was 'dominant' in the Tour. Froome? But happily, in my considered opinion, both clean riders. Not my favourite team, but happy to acknowledge that there are people in this world who are honest. Not everyone is a cheating scumbag.

Wow. I did not think there are any people left who still believe in unicorns.

Kudos on the "not my favorite team" bit. That was a nice touch. The Armstrong guys did not reach that stage until about 2009.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

was only in yellow the whole time casue the dawg was on a leash

Irrelevant. ianfra is saying Wiggins did not look dominant. Do you agree or not?

 

[Kender]

Irrelevant. ianfra is saying Wiggins did not look dominant. Do you agree or not?

well if you leash someone in order to win yourself that's hardly dominant.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

well if you leash someone in order to win yourself that's hardly dominant.

In your opinion, who dominated whom in the final TT? Or was it even?

Is it your argument that ianfra does not believe Wiggins was dominant at the Tour because on 2 occasions Froome managed to ride away from Wiggins on a climb?

Was there anyone else in the race beyond these 2 riders? Did Wiggins dominate any of them?

 

[blackcat]

Sky and Wiggins and Froome DID NOT DOMINATE.


It was a success and domination for MARGINAL GAINS

 

[Kender]

In your opinion, who dominated whom in the final TT? Or was it even?

Is it your argument that ianfra does not believe Wiggins was dominant at the Tour because on 2 occasions Froome managed to ride away from Wiggins on a climb?

Was there anyone else in the race beyond these 2 riders? Did Wiggins dominate any of them?

i'm not putting words in anyones mouth. just saying that it's hard to be clear cut about him being dominated when there were occasions where he clearly was put into difficulty by his own team mate

yes wiggins dominated the TT (by over 1m)
yes the final time gaps indicate he dominated all (3m+ to dawg, 6m+ to nibbles in third) but if froome was allowed to go up the road that 3m gap would have been alot smaller. maybe wiggo still wins, but we'll never know

what stands out as the biggest domination was sky vs every other team (even though this was not reflected in the team classification)

 

[rata de sentina]

centrifugal fugue^^

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Good one. Forum software KMA.

 

[Ripper]

This is absolutely priceless! LMAO for several minutes.

Thank you

 

[sittingbison]

lets face it....if Sir Wiggo had managed to put 8 seconds into Cancellara in the prologue, he would have led from start to finish.

a cunning plan on Sir Daves part to hold Sir Wiggo back in the prologue and thus save Tean Sky having to defend the maillot jeune until stage 8. A marginal gain

 

[MartinGT]

I see Sir Bradley has got a chest infection the poor little lamb.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/22545271