Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[the sceptic]

Rogers this year is like the other old school ex dopers. He was just going full *** last year. Clearly sky have the superior program to everyone else with their year round peak and weight loss. The others dont know how to do it properly (garmin) or they are still using old methods when they can only peak for one event.

 

[thehog]

Rogers this year is like the other old school ex dopers. He was just going full *** last year. Clearly sky have the superior program to everyone else with their year round peak and weight loss. The others dont know how to do it properly (garmin) or they are still using old methods when they can only peak for one event.

Froome was 10 minutes off the pace in each stage at Romandie last year.

In 2011 Froome was a midpack rider in Poland. He then almost won the Vuelta.

Based on this I'm sure Contador will be for come July

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Very bad compared to last year. . .

2:17 down on Martin.

Last year was a weak field.

 

[thehog]

Last year was a weak field.

Flat course. No Contador.

 

[SundayRider]

Actually genuine question, hadn't seen the results and Rogers' form is relevant

He is on Riis' team though, a performance similar to last year would hardly be a great indicator of cleanliness.

 

[doolols]

Weak field today.

Exactly what was said about Nibali in the Giro MTT when he put a minute into everyone else.

 

[Alphabet]

Did Porte actually catch Contador? What were the parcours of the TT like (not that it should matter, anybody catching Contador in a TT regardless of its course is 'not normal')?

 

[Catwhoorg]

Did Porte actually catch Contador? What were the parcours of the TT like (not that it should matter, anybody catching Contador in a TT regardless of its course is 'not normal')?

Yes he did, it was nearly pan flat.

However, Porte didn't excel. Contador simply sucked today.

 

[martinvickers]

Did Porte actually catch Contador? What were the parcours of the TT like (not that it should matter, anybody catching Contador in a TT regardless of its course is 'not normal')?

Pancake Flat.

Each of the top ten riders today would have passed Contador today. He was 61st for the love of God!

I'm sorry, but a proven TTer losing 1 minute 20 to tony martin, and taking two minutes off the guy in 60th is not remotely 'not normal' - the only clearly 'not normal' part of today was Contador's extraordinarily poor showing - it warped everything else. To try and seriously suggest otherwise is a show of either ignorance or clear bias.

 

[martinvickers]

Exactly what was said about Nibali in the Giro MTT when he put a minute into everyone else.

The difference is Tony Martin is the world champ and olympic silver medalist, and Froome the olympic bronze medalist. These guys should be putting good time into most riders - if anything, Boassen Hagen's ride was more unlikely, edging out even in his own team both a known TTer in Porte and a Practiced pursuiter in Thomas.

Nibali, on the other hand, while never a poor TTer exactly, found a whole new level at the Giro. He claimed months ago he was going into the velodrome to work on his TT, so maybe we should have seen it coming, but it was nonetheless a shock to see him lose only seconds to Wiggins in the first TT, albeit it played to his decending strengths. Actually the MTT was less surprising, nibali's an excellent climber.

For my money, the most impressive TT so far this year, Martin aside, was Quintano at Pais Vasco. I truly did not see that coming.

 

[Ferminal]

He is on Riis' team though, a performance similar to last year would hardly be a great indicator of cleanliness.

He's only clean when he has mono.

 

[Ripper]

Weak field today. 4 sky in the top 10

The Skybots are only running at 90% right now. Just wait till full *** tour.

Froome - I can win TTs, I can win MTFs, and I've not been in a wind tunnel till just now. No no no

Porte - I ride at the front all day and then smoke the top 10 in the TTs. It's easy because I'm energized by my BFF.

EBH - I just generally suck until I am working for other people, then I just seem to find another gear or 3.

G - Where's the pub?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

G - Where's the pub?

Hopefully, Thomas will be able to stay on his bike for at least one of the stages.

 

[Ripper]

Hopefully, Thomas will be able to stay on his bike for at least one of the stages.

I think he managed that OK today, although he might have fallen off in the cool down.

 

[momomomo]

The difference is Tony Martin is the world champ and olympic silver medalist, and Froome the olympic bronze medalist. These guys should be putting good time into most riders - if anything, Boassen Hagen's ride was more unlikely, edging out even in his own team both a known TTer in Porte and a Practiced pursuiter in Thomas.

Nibali, on the other hand, while never a poor TTer exactly, found a whole new level at the Giro. He claimed months ago he was going into the velodrome to work on his TT, so maybe we should have seen it coming, but it was nonetheless a shock to see him lose only seconds to Wiggins in the first TT, albeit it played to his decending strengths. Actually the MTT was less surprising, nibali's an excellent climber.

For my money, the most impressive TT so far this year, Martin aside, was Quintano at Pais Vasco. I truly did not see that coming.

The bolded part has to be a joke. EBH has been a stellar TT'er for many years, only recently has he been close to his earlier TT form, but he has shown a lot of potential for many years in TT's.

 

[Frosty]

The bolded part has to be a joke. EBH has been a stellar TT'er for many years, only recently has he been close to his earlier TT form, but he has shown a lot of potential for many years in TT's.

Yep. 2011

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/criterium-du-dauphine-upt/stage-3/results

1 Tony Martin (Ger) HTC-Highroad 0:55:27
2 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:00:11
3 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Sky Procycling 0:00:43
4 David Zabriskie (USA) Team Garmin-Cervelo 0:00:58
5 Janez Brajkovic (Slo) Team RadioShack 0:01:17
6 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:01:20
7 Geraint Thomas (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:01:36
8 Christophe Riblon (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 0:01:37
9 Rein Taaramae (Est) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne 0:01:56
10 Rui Alberto Faria Costa (Por) Movistar Team 0:02:00
11 Kanstantsin Sivtsov (Blr) HTC-Highroad 0:02:02

2013

1 Tony Martin (Ger) Omega Pharma-Quick Step 0:36:54
2 Rohan Dennis (Aus) Garmin-Sharp 0:00:47
3 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:00:52
4 Jonathan Castroviejo Nicolas (Spa) Movistar Team 0:01:08
5 Michal Kwiatkowski (Pol) Omega Pharma-Quick Step 0:01:13
6 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Sky Procycling 0:01:19
7 Richie Porte (Aus) Sky Procycling 0:01:20
8 Jan Barta (Cze) Team NetApp-Endura 0:01:36
9 Marco Pinotti (Ita) BMC Racing Team 0:01:38
10 Geraint Thomas (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:01:42

 

[SeriousSam]

I'm not convinced being a practiced pursuiter is very predictive of how well you do in the much longer road time trials. Pursuits are a 4-5 min efforts.

 

[maltiv]

Yep. 2011

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/criterium-du-dauphine-upt/stage-3/results

1 Tony Martin (Ger) HTC-Highroad 0:55:27
2 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:00:11
3 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Sky Procycling 0:00:43
4 David Zabriskie (USA) Team Garmin-Cervelo 0:00:58
5 Janez Brajkovic (Slo) Team RadioShack 0:01:17
6 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:01:20
7 Geraint Thomas (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:01:36
8 Christophe Riblon (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 0:01:37
9 Rein Taaramae (Est) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne 0:01:56
10 Rui Alberto Faria Costa (Por) Movistar Team 0:02:00
11 Kanstantsin Sivtsov (Blr) HTC-Highroad 0:02:02

Same result in 2010 (yes, that's before ANY other Sky rider had started performing)

1 Janez Brajkovic (Slo) Team Radioshack 1:01:51
2 David Millar (GBr) Garmin - Transitions 0:00:26
3 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Sky Professional Cycling Team 0:00:43
4 Tejay Van Garderen (USA) Team HTC - Columbia 0:00:53
5 Denis Menchov (Rus) Rabobank 0:00:55

...and he's been 3rd in the final TT of the Giro, his first ever GT:

1 Ignatas Konovalovas (Ltu) Cervelo Test Team 18.42 (46.203 km/h)
2 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Garmin - Slipstream 0.01
3 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Team Columbia - Highroad 0.07
4 Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr) Astana 0.11
5 Marzio Bruseghin (Ita) Lampre - N.G.C. 0.16

...and he won the first time trial he ever rode at the professional level, ahead of this guy called Tony Martin.

1 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) High Road 10.16
2 Tony Martin (Ger) High Road 0.07
3 Gustav Erik Larsson (Swe) Team CSC 0.13
4 Luis León Sánchez (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne
5 David Zabriskie (USA) Slipstream Chipotle - H30 0.14

 

[martinvickers]

Same result in 2010 (yes, that's before ANY other Sky rider had started performing)

1 Janez Brajkovic (Slo) Team Radioshack 1:01:51
2 David Millar (GBr) Garmin - Transitions 0:00:26
3 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Sky Professional Cycling Team 0:00:43
4 Tejay Van Garderen (USA) Team HTC - Columbia 0:00:53
5 Denis Menchov (Rus) Rabobank 0:00:55

...and he's been 3rd in the final TT of the Giro, his first ever GT:

1 Ignatas Konovalovas (Ltu) Cervelo Test Team 18.42 (46.203 km/h)
2 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Garmin - Slipstream 0.01
3 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Team Columbia - Highroad 0.07
4 Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr) Astana 0.11
5 Marzio Bruseghin (Ita) Lampre - N.G.C. 0.16

...and he won the first time trial he ever rode at the professional level, ahead of this guy called Tony Martin.

1 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) High Road 10.16
2 Tony Martin (Ger) High Road 0.07
3 Gustav Erik Larsson (Swe) Team CSC 0.13
4 Luis León Sánchez (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne
5 David Zabriskie (USA) Slipstream Chipotle - H30 0.14

Fair dinkum. Bad miss by me. I never really realised he was that good at tt.

 

[blackcat]

yeah, always was a good chrono rider. but the best one-day riders and sprinters prefer to race to get their wins, and not versus the clock. if everyone specialised like cancellara and martin, those like sagan, boonen, and hagen would come to the fore.

 

[blackcat]

I'm not convinced being a practiced pursuiter is very predictive of how well you do in the much longer road time trials. Pursuits are a 4-5 min efforts.

and a VERY small catchment in terms of talent.

If ALL pros did the pursuit, and peaked every four years, THEN it would be a good indicator. As it is, it is great for Australians and Great Britons to market themselves. nothing more

 

[King Boonen]

yeah, always was a good chrono rider. but the best one-day riders and sprinters prefer to race to get their wins, and not versus the clock. if everyone specialised like cancellara and martin, those like sagan, boonen, and hagen would come to the fore.

Slightly unfair on Cancellara considering he can easily be called one of the best one-day riders and one of the best TTers.

 

[blackcat]

Slightly unfair on Cancellara considering he can easily be called one of the best one-day riders and one of the best TTers.

well, cancellara became a commodity by winning worlds, and increasing his market price.

but the very first race he announce himself on the scene was a Paris Roubais. About the year the 22yo Boonen got 4th for USPS. or the next year. Cancellara was mixing it up then on the cobbles.

Cancellara is far more than a timetrialler. so plead guilty to ambiguity

 

[Ripper]

I'm not convinced being a practiced pursuiter is very predictive of how well you do in the much longer road time trials. Pursuits are a 4-5 min efforts.

OMG. Don't mention that in anything in relation to Wiggo. It's been done to death

 

[roundabout]

Not much of a train today.