Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Dr. Maserati]

But here's the thing.

Let's suppose Sky dope. They've made donkey's into racehorses, etc, etc.

Now they have this natural super talent, Eddy.No donkey he, this is Frankel reborn, Powerful, fast, more than decent on hills, can win a sprint. Hell, Kimmage thought he was the next Mercx.

So good in fact that we know Sky have to spending a fortune to keep him. Kimmage said so himself today. Guy ought to be a GC leader in another team, Kimmo's words.

So you are spending a fortune on a superb natural talent, who if he moved up to GC would get nothing but "well, he always had it" from Kimmo.

And you DON'T give the drugs to this super expensive super thoroughbred that would set off no alarms? You allow him to be a relative Classics failure and the least cost-effective domestique in the peleton?

Is that the argument?

Because otherwise Kimmo is left with two option.

EBH is in fact *** clean, and sky are simply wasting money by not turbochargind their new Mercx, content for him to take their cash and be an also-ran while superdoping others far less likely to win, and far more likely to alert Kimmage.

Or is in fact sh!t even when doped, which is a complete waste of money, surely?

Which is it, because it couldn't be simply that Kimmo's hunches on potential are not as good as he thinks, surely?

Your post is all over the place - but to the highlighted, thats my reading of what is meant.

To the "why?" - Sky always wanted a "British Tour Winner" and they can afford to keep other riders.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Fixed that for you.

I see what you did there

 

[Benotti69]

team sky should probably ban Kimmage from their press conferences from now on, just to be safe.

Just like USPS.

And people think the sport has changed.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Anyone with a decent grasp of google could have found out pretty quickly - the Norwegian press went big on it within minutes...

No, they did not. And anyone I asked on twitter what was it that Kimmage said had no idea and were reacting to Kennaughs tweet.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Just like USPS.

And people think the sport has changed.

Aren't you jumping the gun a little?

 

[Benotti69]

Kimmage is indeed not worth the chair. Next time Cioni should remove the bone idle ****er the way he abruptly ended Vive le Vélos interview with Wiggins last year.

This is a low comment, level with Monkeymouth. You have firmly nailed your colours to the mast of doping.

If Sky want transparency every journo who wants to ask a question should be welcomed.

 

[hrotha]

So you are spending a fortune on a superb natural talent, who if he moved up to GC would get nothing but "well, he always had it" from Kimmo.

And you DON'T give the drugs to this super expensive super thoroughbred that would set off no alarms? You allow him to be a relative Classics failure and the least cost-effective domestique in the peleton?

Maybe EBH isn't trustworthy because he's actually against doping. Crazy idea, huh?

 

[Benotti69]

Aren't you jumping the gun a little?

It has been jumping the gun to declare the sport cleanER.

 

[JimmyFingers]

It ha been jumping the gun to declare the sport cleanER.

Not disagreeing with that.

 

[The Hitch]

It ha been jumping the gun to declare the sport cleanER.

He is right though. Sky haven't banned Kimmage from their press conferences. So your comment that they are "just like US postal" on this, is a bit bewildering.

 

[Benotti69]

Maybe EBH isn't trustworthy because he's actually against doping. Crazy idea, huh?

Or maybe 'marginal gains' dont work on EBH, where as Froome is an excellent responder, same with Wiggins. Remember Monkeymouth could barely finish a TdF till Ferrari got his hands on him.

 

[Mr.38%]

This is a low comment, level with Monkeymouth. You have firmly nailed your colours to the mast of doping.

If Sky want transparency every journo who wants to ask a question should be welcomed.

But Sir B. didn't say it, even though he really, really wanted to. I was in his head, I know. For sure.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

He is right though. Sky haven't banned Kimmage from their press conferences. So your comment that they are "just like US postal" on this, is a bit bewildering.

I know I am adding to the bewilderment, but USPS did not ban journo's from press conferences

(So, Sky are exactly like USPS )

 

[JimmyFingers]

Or maybe 'marginal gains' dont work on EBH, where as Froome is an excellent responder, same with Wiggins. Remember Monkeymouth could barely finish a TdF till Ferrari got his hands on him.

Lightening does strike twice then? How many other riders doping as much as Lance during that epoch? How many as good? Lance was the phenom of responders, a freak.

But Sky already have two.

 

[The Hitch]

I know I am adding to the bewilderment, but USPS did not ban journo's from press conferences

(So, Sky are exactly like USPS )

Fair enough.

 

[andy1234]

Fixed that for you.

Fair enough.
It's clear Kimmage is an extremely capable self promoter.
He knows that f**king with the right people is the only way he can stay relevant, and its clearly working.

 

[Benotti69]

Fair enough.
It's clear Kimmage is an extremely capable self promoter.
He knows that f**king with the right people is the only way he can stay relevant, and its clearly working.

He's unemployed. So much for self promotion.

 

[Benotti69]

Lightening does strike twice then? How many other riders doping as much as Lance during that epoch? How many as good? Lance was the phenom of responders, a freak.

But Sky already have two.

USPS had more than 2 but Monkeymouth won 7 in a row so no one got a look in. But then Landis won after monkeymouth retired.

 

[andy1234]

He's unemployed. So much for self promotion.

Duh, hence the need for self promotion and staying relevant.

 

[JimmyFingers]

USPS had more than 2 but Monkeymouth won 7 in a row so no one got a look in. But then Landis won after monkeymouth retired.

Good point

 

[pmcg76]

He's unemployed. So much for self promotion.

Technically yes but he is writing for the Irish Sunday Indo over the course of the Tour which is why he is there questioning SKY I guess.

Just catching up with all this now but the response from Kennaugh does reek of Postal talk. SKY are definitely not going to win people over by hating on Kimmage.

 

[Bexon30]

Lightening does strike twice then? How many other riders doping as much as Lance during that epoch? How many as good? Lance was the phenom of responders, a freak.

But Sky already have two.

I think FLandis responded fairly well...

Edit see that point got made along with Heras etc.
in saying that there are comparisons in the teams.

 

[JimmyFingers]

The finest natural talent since Jan Ullrich

?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Fair enough.
It's clear Kimmage is an extremely capable self promoter.
He knows that f**king with the right people is the only way he can stay relevant, and its clearly working.

Do you have to pay the Lance fans a finders fee or copyright fee for using their old arguments?

 

[Benotti69]

Technically yes but he is writing for the Irish Sunday Indo over the course of the Tour which is why he is there questioning SKY I guess.

He is working for 5 weeks, hardly employment.

Just catching up with all this now but the response from Kennaugh does reek of Postal talk. SKY are definitely not going to win people over by hating on Kimmage.

Sky are repeating history.