Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[SundayRider]

There really isn't, just a general reference to the modern peloton and the need to still be vigilant. But then to many here everything is a reference to Sky. Perhaps take off the blue and black glasses....

Unless he did it in some pig latin or patois I'm unfamiliar with. Or perhaps he was communicating telekinetically.

Well he mentioned physiology, Sky have talked about weigh loss a lot. If there is team wide doping it is much more likely to be the biggest, best funded teams.

 

[webbie146]

seriously don't bother

Where are u from? Are u French? British?

Cookson head of Brit Cycling is ****ing off McQuaid head of UCI who can magically pull positives out of his ***. He can also make them disappear up there allegedly.

Hmm that's not smart move.. Should at all times keep him your buddy, like Lance was great friends with Hein haha.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Well he mentioned physiology, Sky have talked about weigh loss a lot. If there is team wide doping it is much more likely to be the biggest, best funded teams.

It was Vini Fantini that sprung to my mind reading it, and I'd say it's more likely to be the lesser teams, desperate for wins and world tour points (which really needs to be addressed by whoever is incoming President.

And again when he mentioned physiology I was reminded of the anecdote about riders with arses the size of elephants zooming up hills rather than the emaciated specimens we see but hey you say potato I'll say potatoe

 

[Parrulo]

It was Vini Fantini that sprung to my mind reading it, and I'd say it's more likely to be the lesser teams, desperate for wins and world tour points (which really needs to be addressed by whoever is incoming President.

And again when he mentioned physiology I was reminded of the anecdote about riders with arses the size of elephants zooming up hills rather than the emaciated specimens we see but hey you say potato I'll say potatoe

Will Vini Fantini ride the tour? Because he made it clear that he was talking about riders starting at the Tour.

Now i wonder which team is having great success lately and using stuff like weight loss to explain it. . . oh that's right, Sour Sojason obviously.

 

[Ripper]

It was Vini Fantini that sprung to my mind reading it, and I'd say it's more likely to be the lesser teams, desperate for wins and world tour points (which really needs to be addressed by whoever is incoming President.

And again when he mentioned physiology I was reminded of the anecdote about riders with arses the size of elephants zooming up hills rather than the emaciated specimens we see but hey you say potato I'll say potatoe

It could be either interpretation, or both!

Honestly, obvious is obvious (e.g. Santa, Big Mig, Riis, etc). Perhaps that is all he is referring to.

Then there is the less obvious - riders getting soooo skinny they make anorexics look healthy . Yet still maintaining excellent overall power (not just power to weight), not getting sick all the time, riding at 95% all year long and still winning, etc.

Being able to simultaneously (and dramatically) improve climbing cols, climbing short walls, TT'ing, and your ability to throw in race defining attacks and surges.

As for team wide doping, it's not all the same. There is team wide acceptance (no cost), there's networking and access (no or little cost), there might be some 'informal' access (low cost and now incredibly unlikely, as the potential costs of $ and team shutdown are so high), to sophisticated doping regimens (higher cost and very high risk but with maximum payoffs).

I do not suspect the old school team-wide, supported doping programs still exist. But sometimes I think there are other ways to enable team wide performance, especially when one can access drugs and methods that are not banned as of yet and when cost is not an issue. I think a team with big enough pockets could look into strategies and supplementation that might not be well received by knowledgeable people, but are not banned methods.

 

[Von Mises]

Im sure the skybots will be here soon to question Bassons credibility

It is not about credibility, but about quality of information. Bassons and Moncoutié are not pros , they dont have direct eyewitness experience anymore. Thats probably the reason why they are so vague in their talk, they have suspicions and opinions, but thats it.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Will Vini Fantini ride the tour? Because he made it clear that he was talking about riders starting at the Tour.

Now i wonder which team is having great success lately and using stuff like weight loss to explain it. . . oh that's right, Sour Sojason obviously.

No Vini Fantini won't, but they are the team that sprung to my mind when he mentioned that team-wide doping was still going on. Plus he was mainly talking about Jalabert, and then warning against complacency regarding doping in the modern peloton generally, and also the TdF.

This is telling:

Unfortunately, when you see the physiology of certain riders who are going to start this year’s Tour de France, you have to ask yourself questions. There are still doping problems in cycling. There’s organised doping in some teams, in my opinion. There are a lot of individuals also who are doping. I would like that someone finally came up with a report on the real health of French cycling

So the only explicit thing he says is to question the health of French cycling. But apparently that means he's talking about Sky to you.. Quel surprise

Ironic you mention a French team really. Back in your box

 

[JimmyFingers]

It could be either interpretation, or both!

This. A very ambiguous statement from Bassons, and actually really he was drawing attention to the state of French cycling more than anything, talking about Jalabert and the health of it today.

I would like him to be more explicit: trying to draw meaning out of what he says and apply it to specific riders or team is frankly impossible and is simply a matter of speculation. Won't stop everyone jumping up and down and shouting 'Sky Sky' at the top of your voices (not your good self of course).

 

[Zam_Olyas]

There are no facts, only interpretations. Nietzsche

 

[JimmyFingers]

Quality work from Zam, need to remember that one

 

[the sceptic]

http://www.tv2.no/sport/sykkel/tdf/...-sky-har-oedelagt-edvalds-talent-4079550.html

Brailsford is rarely speechless, but when the well known cycling journalist Paul Kimmage asks what happened to EBHs talent, the sky boss is visibly uncomfortable

At first Brailsford acts like he doesnt understand the question, but then when Kimmage asks "Why hasnt EBH developed into a grand tour contender" all Brailsford says is "everyone is entitled to their own opinion, thats your opinion"

So much for transparency

At least is refreshing to see that there are still some real journalists around.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

http://www.tv2.no/sport/sykkel/tdf/...-sky-har-oedelagt-edvalds-talent-4079550.html



So much for transparency

At least is refreshing to see that there are still some real journalists around.

There is still only one man who can be trusted with the journalistic task when it comes to cycling: Mr Kimmage.

 

[BroDeal]

The munchkins over at Unicorn Land are hopping mad about Kimmage daring to ask an obvious question about EBH.

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=12886361&start=500

Bike Radar has become Team Sky's version of the old U.S. Postal's old Paceline site. It is pretty sad.

 

[the sceptic]

Apprently it started with Kimmage saying he thought EBH in 2009 was going to become the new Merckx, then he said "now were here in 2013 with a guy noone had even heard of back then (Froome) how is that possible?"

Too bad there doesnt seem to be any video of this. Sounds entertaining.

 

[gooner]

Can someone tell me what this has got to do with doping and transparency?

 

[del1962]

Of course because Journo Jesus thinks EBH is destined to be a grand tour contender he must be.

 

[BroDeal]

Of course because Journo Jesus thinks EBH is destined to be a grand tour contender he must be.

Stop toking on one of Wiggins' joints. EBH was one of the most sought after talents in the sport. Every team wanted to sign him. He has accomplished almost nothing.

Sky has turned super talented riders like EBH into second rate domestiques while nobodies who could barely get a pro contract and ex-clients of Dr. Ferrari are riding like Pantani reborn.

 

[andy1234]

Kimmage is the truly the outsiders outsider.
Problem is, he doesn't like it.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Of course because Journo Jesus thinks EBH is destined to be a grand tour contender he must be.

Ya, its strange - I cannot see EBH every being a GT contender, did he ever ride the track? Anyone know how good he was at 4k pursuit?

 

[BYOP88]

Stop toking on one of Wiggins' joints. EBH was one of the most sought after talents in the sport. Every team wanted to sign him. He has accomplished almost nothing.

Sky has turned super talented riders like EBH into second rate domestiques while nobodies who could barely get a pro contract and ex-clients of Dr. Ferrari are riding like Pantani reborn.

I think Pantani would struggle to follow Froome 2013.

 

[the sceptic]

Can someone tell me what this has got to do with doping and transparency?

If donkeys like Froome and Wiggins can turn into world beaters then why is the biggest talent of them all doing nothing? Isnt it pretty obvious thats what Kimmage is hinting at here? And Bailsford dismissing Kimmage like he is a clown that doesnt know what he is talking about, please.

Meanwhile

Peter kennaugh ‏@Petekennaugh

Well Paul kimmage today confirmed the fact he is a Walter ! Disrespectful loser

 

[JimmyFingers]

Right so now a puncheur like EBH should be winning GTs? Wouldn't that be more suspicious?

EBH poor-form shocker, he has deviated from the acceptable 'progression' of a rider and not turned into the best rider of a generation ergo sky must be doping. Fantastic logic .

 

[gooner]

If donkeys like Froome and Wiggins can turn into world beaters then why is the biggest talent of them all doing nothing? Isnt it pretty obvious thats what Kimmage is hinting at here? And Bailsford dismissing Kimmage like he is a clown that doesnt know what he is talking about, please.

Meanwhile

No, Kimmage didn't ask this with that thinking in mind. That's just you again spinning everything that Sky says into a doping related way when something like this is more fit for the road racing section.

 

[BroDeal]

Peter kennaugh ‏@Petekennaugh

Well Paul kimmage today confirmed the fact he is a Walter ! Disrespectful loser

It has been apparent for a long time that Sky is chock full of riders and staff that have an absolute contempt for the fight against doping. It is not just a few dumbasses defending Armstrong. It is ingrained in the team's culture.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

No, Kimmage didn't ask this with that thinking in mind. That's just you again spinning everything that Sky says into a doping related way when something like this is more fit for the road racing section.

Reading the Sky fans reaction here and on twitter, I think it most certainly was taken as an accusation/slur/defamatory/tactless/baseless/hideous/hurtful/gutless etc thing to say.

Lets hope the Sky team can react better to an attack from Contador.