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[The Hitch]

Probably the fact that I have been watching him more closer than Froome over the last 2-3 years and I can see that through hard work and training that he had the potential to be where he was yesterday.

I don't think you understand the gravity of this performance. Porte if you take into account the fact that he rode into the wind the whole time and that he was doing track stands and toying with Quintana put a performance that surpassed almost all the uber doped once from.the "dark era". If he's clean then that makes him (and presumably froome if clean too) a once in a lifetime talent. There may never be anyone that good again.

And you think you saw he was capable of achieving this. Did you personally test his physiological capabilities or something? And is it just an incredible coincidence that you admitting to being a fan by nationality.

 

[timbo25]

Sometimes it is what it is

 

[darwin553]

I don't think you understand the gravity of this performance. Porte if you take into account the fact that he rode into the wind the whole time and that he was doing track stands and toying with Quintana put a performance that surpassed almost all the uber doped once from.the "dark era". If he's clean then that makes him (and presumably froome if clean too) a once in a lifetime talent. There may never be anyone that good again.

Why are you placing so much stock into Quintana's performance as the yardstick to go by?

He attacked and made the break, so wouldn't you think that he would be just too tired to go with Porte once he unhitched him and went after Froome??

 

[rata de sentina]

Why are you placing so much stock into Quintana's performance as the yardstick to go by?

He attacked and made the break, so wouldn't you think that he would be just too tired to go with Porte once he unhitched him and went after Froome??

I think this is a fair point. Quintana pretty much rode 2 climbs on his own. By all means consider Porte suspicious but his performance relative to Quintana is not a valid argument.

 

[Granville57]

I am not a fan of Porte's tbh.

Likely the best news Richie's had all day.

 

[Sasquatch]

Schlecklets galibier





OMG. I know something yall dont

Ricco's performance was more unbelievable than Cobo's, so I would make this comparison

Froome = Ricco
Porte = Piepoli

 

[auscyclefan94]

Likely the best news Richie's had all day.

I would agree with that.

 

[whittashau]

So what's the bet that after Sky hear all the conjecture about them that they force themselves to ride at a more believable level for the rest of the Tour?

 

[Sasquatch]

I might sound like a sore loser, but I lost a hell of a lot of confidence in the sport of cycling last night after that stage to Ax-3-Domaines. It was a complete joke.

Definitely not a sore loser.

You have every right to feel that way. What we saw last night was not normal. It was exciting, yes, but normal, no.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I believed Porte's ride more than I believed Froome's

That makes one of you.

 

[autologous]

Why are you placing so much stock into Quintana's performance as the yardstick to go by?

He attacked and made the break, so wouldn't you think that he would be just too tired to go with Porte once he unhitched him and went after Froome??

I think this is a fair point. Quintana pretty much rode 2 climbs on his own. By all means consider Porte suspicious but his performance relative to Quintana is not a valid argument.

It wasn't using Quintana's performance as a yardstick. It was the fact that Porte backed off and slowed down to Quintana's pace for a while until he realised that Quintana was way too slow and then accelerated again.

It's not that he was faster than Quintana, but that he wasted time at less than 100% effort by staying near Quintana. He would have been farther ahead of everyone & closer to Froome had he not dicked around and wasted that time.

Porte had so much in reserve, after a massive pull, that staying with Quintana was a waste of time for him. But, he & Froome had so much in reserve that even that "mistake" didn't matter.

Porte was just f-ing around at the front while the best GC riders of recent years are flailing, suffering, off the back

 

[The Hitch]

I think this is a fair point. Quintana pretty much rode 2 climbs on his own. By all means consider Porte suspicious but his performance relative to Quintana is not a valid argument.

Considering you were mocking someone else's comprehension skills in the jv thread about an hour ago, I'm amazed that you come up with this interpretation of my post. Nowhere do I use Quintana as a yardstick. I don't know where you got that from.

my post was quite clearly explaining why Porte could have gone faster than he did.
What I said was that he wasted time by toying with Quintana. Who as you do seem to have grasped rode the previous 30k solo and therefore would not have been climbing as good as he can.

Same comment to Darwin minus the first sentence.

 

[BroDeal]

Hopefully riders on other teams will keep a close watch on their cornholes or there might be a lot of anal probing victims.

 

[Granville57]

So what's the bet that after Sky hear all the conjecture about them that they force themselves to ride at a more believable level for the rest of the Tour?

I certainly hope not. I pray for the most over the top, outlandish decimation of the peloton in the history of the sport. Can you suggest anything more entertaining?

 

[whittashau]

Definitely not a sore loser.

You have every right to feel that way. What we saw last night was not normal. It was exciting, yes, but normal, no.

Exciting? I cannot get excited when only one team has the NOS.

 

[pedaling squares]

The best dope test of all is the straight face test.

If it doesn't pass it's more than likely doping.

That test is best administered by Allen Lim.

 

[BroDeal]

 

[pedaling squares]

You might be on to something.

 

[Ripper]

I think this is a fair point. Quintana pretty much rode 2 climbs on his own. By all means consider Porte suspicious but his performance relative to Quintana is not a valid argument.

Well, from early, early days Quintana has shown immense talent. Porte not so much (good, but nothing nearly this good) and Froome even less so.

 

[darwin553]

I am not a fan of Porte's tbh.

Likely the best news Richie's had all day.

Yep

 

[buckle]

BT Sport

BT is about to enter the sports arena and coincidentally its CEO is about to join the government. A politically motivated attack on SKY is a possibility. Hurting SKY would help BT enormously.

 

[Ripper]

I expected it and I had a lot to drink last night so I felt less bad about it. Cadel was disappointed but he didn't seem devastated and was rather open about it.

I am not a fan of Porte's tbh.

That's 'cause Evans knowns what his numbers were on both climbs today. Hard to get too p*ssed when you are at or near your best and you're getting spanked.

Honestly, what makes Ax-3 so much more unbelievable, was the full gas up the HC beforehand. Most people were just getting worn right out. Then bam!

Froome and Porte finished with fuel in the tank baby! And Porte could have gone 10 or more seconds faster had he not stuck with Quintana.

Porte's comments about gaining more time in the TT sound like fun.

 

[Galic Ho]

I thought Porte was more ridiculous. I've never saw Heras so want he did!

That was absurd!

btw did Sky SRMs kill the clinic?

Yes they did. I couldn't get on the forum for hours. So went to bed. I logged on and barely got on...there were 200 something in the Clinic alone. Had to reload...then there were well over double that. Servers crashed I think.

Did you see how many times Froome looked at his powermeter? Too many.

All the Skybots have gone. For good reason. They are too busy getting their jolies.

That was the most disgusting act I think cycling has ever seen. After everything that has happened, those two clowns have been permitted to do what they just did and nobody bats an eyelid?

Oh and WTF is up with the two Belkin riders? New sponsor and some extra dope all of a sudden?

Fret not thehog...the Sky riders still have to finish the race. Remove the two blatant obvious dopers and this Tour would be interesting. Porte beating Valverde, Quintana, Contador, Kreuziger and Purito says it all. Doped to the gills.

Oh and RR should do well to stay away from this forum for some time alas he will cop a battering (and rightfully so). Open your eyes and tell us your sob story again of how Richie batted his eyelids and swooned his way into your heart. Your ramblings the other week given what just happened are revolting. You should be ashamed of yourself. This is even more obvious than your favourite target Lance, because of what has transpired and how much of the veil has been lifted from the common viewers eyes. You and David Walsh need to get your priorities right.

Clean cycling beacons...prove it. You're either for it, or against it. This lukewarm BS does NOTHING. Just gets you a cult following and a nice salad.

 

[Galic Ho]

Bailsford says clean performances will one day surpass doped ones.
Bailsford estimates the time this will take as - 1 day.

Science of Sport has a different opinion. More like 20-30 years they say.

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2013/07/clean-performances-to-surpass-doped.html

Isnt this the same as saying the distance from New York to San Francisco is a the length of a baseball field?

Probably another 'we can bend space and thus decrease the distance' Sci Fi story. Explaining why large distances can be covered with minimal effort.

Then again those two Saffa clowns are lining their pockets with money from doped up Rugby teams and feeding BS pieces about AC riding clean (just a few years ago). How they'd know if clean could ever match doped is beyond me. As long as both have been alive, there have been DOPED world champions in almost EVERY major sport. Morons of the highest order.

 

[Galic Ho]

Why are you placing so much stock into Quintana's performance as the yardstick to go by?

He attacked and made the break, so wouldn't you think that he would be just too tired to go with Porte once he unhitched him and went after Froome??

I'll deal with this zealot for you Hitch.

You clown poster. Take off the shoes, sit down, pipe down and listen carefully.

Do remind the forum, as you're an Aussie, and SBS broadcasts the Tour, what Paul Sherwen said about Nairo Quintana when he went out and attacked. The full details please and don't spare anything. Tell everyone here the giant fluff piece Sherwen was spinning about Quintana!

Go on. Tell us all. Another healed by a miracle and it made him into the champion he is today! Surely you didn't miss that did you? It was right there with Paul's explanation of the topography of the Pyrenees versus Quintana's native Columbia. So the details....fill them in. Because if you had of listened, you'd have understood partially why Hitch used Quintana. But you're just another July fan...time to go back to cyclingcentral and listen to the TanMan.