Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[thehog]

So that means that he should have remainend in his saddle during this attack?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIRIAinJo0E

Or is this just a false flat 18% section?

Love watching those old Pantani videos.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I bet Wiggins is breathing a sigh of relief now that the magnifying glass of scrutiny is gone from his performances.

 

[Racelap]

The whole concept of altitude training was recently reviewed in a meta study and only found statistically significant results above some ridiculously high altitude. That effective altitude created other constraints on training. I don't have the link handy.

Bottom line, it invalidated the idea training on Tenerife while living on bread and water, sleep at some high altitude was independently beneficial.

The benefit of Tenerife is lack of prying eyes.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I bet Wiggins is breathing a sigh of relief now that the magnifying glass of scrutiny is gone from his performances.

Out of the Vuelta now apparently and onto the Tour of Britain. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-to-ride-tour-of-britain-instead-of-vuelta-a-espana

The guy hasn't raced since May? He's better hidden then Kiryenka(sp??) at this point.

 

[User Guide]

The benefit of Tenerife is lack of prying eyes.

Its cheaper to catch a plane between Tenerife and Britain than a train ticket from London to Edinburgh.
This Tenerife is some back of beyond wilderness is BS.
As is the thought ive heard they(sky) would have someone watching out for testers at the airport etc.Im sure the mole can easily spot a tester in the 20k+ people from Britain landing that day

 

[Cobblestones]

Its cheaper to catch a plane between Tenerife and Britain than a train ticket from London to Edinburgh.
This Tenerife is some back of beyond wilderness is BS.
As is the thought ive heard they(sky) would have someone watching out for testers at the airport etc.Im sure the mole can easily spot a tester in the 20k+ people from Britain landing that day

Passenger data for each flight exists and is shared according to international agreements. Murdoch flagship newspaper NOTW had people hack into cell phones. Who's to say they don't hack into passenger data servers.

 

[User Guide]

Passenger data for each flight exists and is shared according to international agreements. Murdoch flagship newspaper NOTW had people hack into cell phones. Who's to say they don't hack into passenger data servers.

Wow just wow, Im sorry but I just cant answer that without being insulting and an a*shat.

 

[Cobblestones]

Wow just wow, Im sorry but I just cant answer that without being insulting and an a*shat.

You probably also think Prism and Tempora is there to protect your sorry behind from teh evul terrist

 

[Mr.38%]

Has the topic of tyroid hormone been raised already? Just asking because Telekom used it excessively.

 

[lemoogle]

Not that I know for sure, but I don't think they "hacked" phones and voice mails in the sense that we usually say hack. So let's not talk like this is a super tech wiz hacker Die Hard 4 scenario and they're hacking into your data everywhere

 

[Catwhoorg]

The majority of people use (used) the default passcode for their voicemail.

It was as simple as dialing the mailbox and hitting 1111 (or similar) and then listening.

 

[Alphabet]

Its cheaper to catch a plane between Tenerife and Britain than a train ticket from London to Edinburgh.
This Tenerife is some back of beyond wilderness is BS.
As is the thought ive heard they(sky) would have someone watching out for testers at the airport etc.Im sure the mole can easily spot a tester in the 20k+ people from Britain landing that day

I hope you're kidding. 20,000 people in a day? To Tenerife?

20,000 is first of all a huge number for a relatively obscure holiday area, second of all, it would be 2% of Tenerife's total population arriving in one day. It's impossible. You might get 20,000 British visitors per year, but Sky won't need to post someone at the airport anyway. They can be out riding all day and have somebody keep a watch at the hotel they're staying at. If a tester comes through and asks the concierge for room details etc., all this person would have to do is call Brailsford and have them wait for a few hours, until the tester leaves, at which point they can come back to the hotel with no trouble at all.

I'm certain that Lord Marginal Gains has a better plan than that one I just outlined for dodging testers. He is the smartest human ever, don't you know. He invented warm-downs!

 

[Cycle Chic]

Has the topic of tyroid hormone been raised already? Just asking because Telekom used it excessively.

And how not to speak of thyroid hormones on 10000m by Mo Farah and Galen Rupp who made ​​1 [size=+0]st[/size][size=+0] and 2 [/size][size=+0]nd[/size][size=+0] at the London Olympics? [SIZE=+0]These hormones are not on the WADA list, have a lipolytic effect, stimulating and induce secretion of EPO! [/size][size=+0]And if that was the secret of SKY, their "marginal gains"?[/size][/SIZE]

http://www.guillaumeprebois.com/blogs/mon-blog/8322149-gas6-la-nouvelle-molecule-des-dopes

Good reading. A new thread is better than here as discussions get lost among the mass of news on Froome.

 

[King Boonen]

I hope you're kidding. 20,000 people in a day? To Tenerife?

20,000 is first of all a huge number for a relatively obscure holiday area, second of all, it would be 2% of Tenerife's total population arriving in one day. It's impossible. You might get 20,000 British visitors per year,

From a 10 second google search and a look at the wikipedia page for Tenerife:

Tenerife had 3,442,787 arrivals that year, excluding the numbers for Spanish tourists which make up an additional 30% of total arrivals. According to last year's Canarian Statistics Centre's (ISTAC) Report on Tourism the greatest number of tourists from any one country come from the United Kingdom, with more than 1,600,000 tourists in 2005.

1.6 million divided by 365 is...

Approx 4,300 a day.

 

[Alphabet]

From a 10 second google search and a look at the wikipedia page for Tenerife:

Tenerife had 3,442,787 arrivals that year, excluding the numbers for Spanish tourists which make up an additional 30% of total arrivals. According to last year's Canarian Statistics Centre's (ISTAC) Report on Tourism the greatest number of tourists from any one country come from the United Kingdom, with more than 1,600,000 tourists in 2005.

1.6 million divided by 365 is...

Approx 4,300 a day.

That's lovely. But it makes none of the rest of my post irrelevant. Nobody would send people to watch for testers at the airport. Much easier to do it at the hotel.

 

[thehog]

From a 10 second google search and a look at the wikipedia page for Tenerife:

Tenerife had 3,442,787 arrivals that year, excluding the numbers for Spanish tourists which make up an additional 30% of total arrivals. According to last year's Canarian Statistics Centre's (ISTAC) Report on Tourism the greatest number of tourists from any one country come from the United Kingdom, with more than 1,600,000 tourists in 2005.

1.6 million divided by 365 is...

Approx 4,300 a day.

The Brits are going to Costa to get orange! Not increase their RBCs!

Some parts or Spain ARE British. These stats don't surprise me.

Ibiza? Egg on the head? Dropping e's? All part of the culture!

 

[King Boonen]

That's lovely. But it makes none of the rest of my post irrelevant. Nobody would send people to watch for testers at the airport. Much easier to do it at the hotel.

If you begin a post with a fallacy it makes the rest of the post less likely to be taken seriously I'm afraid. Especially when you are condescending about it.

 

[lemoogle]

From a 10 second google search and a look at the wikipedia page for Tenerife:

Tenerife had 3,442,787 arrivals that year, excluding the numbers for Spanish tourists which make up an additional 30% of total arrivals. According to last year's Canarian Statistics Centre's (ISTAC) Report on Tourism the greatest number of tourists from any one country come from the United Kingdom, with more than 1,600,000 tourists in 2005.

1.6 million divided by 365 is...

Approx 4,300 a day.

Take into account holidays , seasons, and you may get to 20k a day. Especially considering simple facts that the amount of flights to tenerife varies during the year based on demand.

 

[King Boonen]

Take into account holidays , seasons, and you may get to 20k a day. Especially considering simple facts that the amount of flights to tenerife varies during the year based on demand.

Yeah, I thought about that, but I think Tenerife is a holiday destination all year round, particularly for people in the UK so didn't want to speculate.

 

[bewildered]

it might be average 4,300 a day but i'd imagine that is nearer 20k a day in June-August and a lot lower in say December

 

[bewildered]

I bet Wiggins is breathing a sigh of relief now that the magnifying glass of scrutiny is gone from his performances.

If they are/were both doped, IF, then I'd say he's sweating buckets looking at Froome this year

 

[User Guide]

I have never said sky riders either individually or collectively dont dope in Tenerife.
I was just pointing out this back of beyond/ hard too test there etc is just BS
They go there because its the best place too train if your British from a cost/logistics/parcour standpoint 1.65m brits cant all of got the weather forecast wrong
And again they might be drawing blood like they in a 70's hammer horror movie,I dont know.But thats not why they go there specifically

 

[Ferminal]

lol Anthony Tan seems to have been given the full brief on the Kerrison myth.

 

[spetsa]

Here's some Brailsford science for you: The black is used because it contributes to developing an envelope of warm air. As all scientists know, a body moving through warm air expends less energy at the same velocity than cold/cool.

I have even more respect for Froome's natural talent now that I know he is at such a disadvantage having to wear yellow everyday.

 

[timbo25]

Does Fuentes still hold his office in Tenerife?