Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[mudbone]

disgusting.

 

[the sceptic]

Gotta admit, im getting tired of all the lies and propaganda from sky. Its not really funny anymore. And its gonna be really hard to top the tour when it comes to ridiculousness. Now theyre just us postal and the long wait begins.

 

[MatParker117]

So Wiggins needs to put on weight to win a TT? What happened to the skinny TT Olympic champ of last year? He won every TT last year looking like an escapee from Belsen and Froome has been TTing okish in his skin and bones?

More 'magical' formulae from Sky.

I think its more for a shot at Paris-Roubaix.

 

[zastomito]

You literally couldn't make this **** up. Comedy gold times 1000.

 

[thrawn]

So Wiggins needs to put on weight to win a TT? What happened to the skinny TT Olympic champ of last year? He won every TT last year looking like an escapee from Belsen and Froome has been TTing okish in his skin and bones?

More 'magical' formulae from Sky.

One would assume that Wiggins was at, or at least close to (say a kg or two) of his TDF weight at the Giro this year. How the **** can you put on that much muscle in 4-5 months?

 

[BroDeal]

One would assume that Wiggins was at, or at least close to (say a kg or two) of his TDF weight at the Giro this year. How the **** can you put on that much muscle in 4-5 months?

Stop taking the weight loss drugs.

Funny how the only time he has had decent time trialing performance against top competition is when he supposedly lost lots of weight but now he has to put weight on challenge the same competition that smacked him around before he lost weight. Sky needs to find one big lie and stick with it for more than a year.

The Bradley Wiggins Foundation! For real. You really cannot make this stuff up.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

here we go.

the human babushka doll and endorser of poppy king cosmetics and lipstick

TanMan for the win with his panache except when he bans me from his twitter feed FAIL.

If Boonen had long blonde locks and slightly smaller breasts, he would be that woman beside him.

 

[goggalor]

So Wiggins needs to put on weight to win a TT? What happened to the skinny TT Olympic champ of last year? He won every TT last year looking like an escapee from Belsen and Froome has been TTing okish in his skin and bones?

More 'magical' formulae from Sky.

They're taking the p*ss. Wiggins needs to gain 8 kg to improve in TTs, right (presumably at least 7 kg of fat, since he's never had any muscle to speak of before). That's so funny considering he has improved massively in time trials since 2008, after losing those 8 kg.

 

[the sceptic]

Why does he even need to improve? he has won every ITT by a minute for a year and a half.


Im guessing this is just some bs story to hide that he doesnt want to be on the weight loss program anymore. Too dangerous for the body long term? doesnt have any motivation to win GTs anymore with Froomestrong around? He did look pretty decent in the giro before it started raining though.

It will be interesting to see how long Dawg can keep going too. It does look super unhealthy and i hope for his own sake that he slows down soon.

Porte for the 2015 tour after internal issues with Froome after Porte destroys the 2014 giro, then Kennaugh, JTL,Thomas, unknown british guy, etc.

Winning with different guys is better for the image, easier to avoid the Armstrong comparisons.

 

[Avoriaz]

Why does he even need to improve? he has won every ITT by a minute for a year and a half.

Alex Dowsett disagrees

 

[Cycle Chic]

Why does he even need to improve? he has won every ITT by a minute for a year and a half.


Im guessing this is just some bs story to hide that he doesnt want to be on the weight loss program anymore. Too dangerous for the body long term? doesnt have any motivation to win GTs anymore with Froomestrong around? He did look pretty decent in the giro before it started raining though.

It will be interesting to see how long Dawg can keep going too. It does look super unhealthy and i hope for his own sake that he slows down soon.

Porte for the 2015 tour after internal issues with Froome after Porte destroys the 2014 giro, then Kennaugh, JTL,Thomas, unknown british guy, etc.

Winning with different guys is better for the image, easier to avoid the Armstrong comparisons.

Exactly. I reckon this is why riders drop off the scene after a stellar year..ex. Gilbert and Hushovd.

Winning with different guys though - that could be to rotate the weight loss program.

 

[blackcat]

Why does he even need to improve? he has won every ITT by a minute for a year and a half.


Im guessing this is just some bs story to hide that he doesnt want to be on the weight loss program anymore. Too dangerous for the body long term? doesnt have any motivation to win GTs anymore with Froomestrong around? He did look pretty decent in the giro before it started raining though.

It will be interesting to see how long Dawg can keep going too. It does look super unhealthy and i hope for his own sake that he slows down soon.

Porte for the 2015 tour after internal issues with Froome after Porte destroys the 2014 giro, then Kennaugh, JTL,Thomas, unknown british guy, etc.

Winning with different guys is better for the image, easier to avoid the Armstrong comparisons.

after Bjarne Riis, if weightloss was the panacea for TdF glory, it would have been just the efficient market theory where all riders manged sub 70kg weight for a 6 footer. So there would have been a zero sum; equilibrium.

the weightloss now, is cos of new drugs in the peleton. not just clenbuterol.

 

[blackcat]

Exactly. I reckon this is why riders drop off the scene after a stellar year..ex. Gilbert and Hushovd.

Winning with different guys though - that could be to rotate the weight loss program.

^ +1

have to agree with this

 

[Ferminal]

More like they've just accomplished great feats and have a multi-year multi-million dollar contract locked in and do not want to immediately jeopardise the achievements and future earnings. See also: tap on the shoulder from UCI.

 

[Alphabet]

Is he still at the unimaginably low body fat percentage that he was at the 2012 Tour? I think it was around 3 or 4%, which certainly is dangerous to maintain for longer than a few weeks. Does anybody have any idea what he's like now? If he has put on a little bit of weight and needs to get back to famine levels of skinny-ness to get competitive again, then it would make sense.

 

[blackcat]

More like they've just accomplished great feats and have a multi-year multi-million dollar contract locked in and do not want to immediately jeopardise the achievements and future earnings. See also: tap on the shoulder from UCI.

one of the key reasons.

multi-faceted o'couse. but this integral <thumb-up>

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

More like they've just accomplished great feats and have a multi-year multi-million dollar contract locked in and do not want to immediately jeopardise the achievements and future earnings. See also: tap on the shoulder from UCI.

So, that would mean a Froomeless year next year? Gonna call my bookie right now.

But some dry spells are indeed very obvious.

Gilbert [everyone is racing against me now, tooth infection ]
Boonen [elbow infection ]
Team Europcar
JTL
Feel free to add.

But should Wiggins be in this list? He was very good in Catalunya, Trentino and then got exposed in the Giro rain for being a girl on a bike.

I do like his putting on weight/muscle statement. He killed everyone on his new found weight and lets not forget cadence last year. On every course. Inclucing this years Giro TT if he hadnt descended like a girl and hadnt had the mechanical.

Sky PR machine, love them. I hope he will crush everyone in the TT and then focus on Flandres and Roubaix.

 

[Ferminal]

So, that would mean a Froomeless year next year? Gonna call my bookie right now.

But some dry spells are indeed very obvious.

Gilbert [everyone is racing against me now, tooth infection ]
Boonen [elbow infection ]
Team Europcar
JTL
Feel free to add.

But should Wiggins be in this list? He was very good in Catalunya, Trentino and then got exposed in the Giro rain for being a girl on a bike.

I do like his putting on weight/muscle statement. He killed everyone on his new found weight and lets not forget cadence last year. On every course. Inclucing this years Giro TT if he hadnt descended like a girl and hadnt had the mechanical.

Sky PR machine, love them. I hope he will crush everyone in the TT and then focus on Flandres and Roubaix.

Froome has been going for 2 years, Porte 18 months, don't foresee issues with either their program or commitment.

There are heaps... Evans, Hesjedal, Cobo, Moser, Anton, De Gendt.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Wiggins was a one trick pony - pursuit.

Had his break out year in 2009, cashed in 2012, back to one trick pony 2013.

Cannot believe the difference in form pre 2009 --> 2012 --> 2013 (== pre 2009). To my mind it is inexplicable for someone naturally talented, riding clean, to be so mediocre after smashing all and sundry the year prior.

 

[happychappy]

Is Wiggins really planning on riding Roubaix? What if it rains? It rains a lot in the "classics".

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Wiggins was a one trick pony - pursuit.

Had his break out year in 2009, cashed in 2012, back to one trick pony 2013.

Cannot believe the difference in form pre 2009 --> 2012 --> 2013 (== pre 2009). To my mind it is inexplicable for someone naturally talented, riding clean, to be so mediocre after smashing all and sundry the year prior.

His success last year was down to picking and choosing races where the time trial was so important, this year he would have won in Catalunya if there had been a time trial, would have been second at worst without the mechanical in Trentino and he would have been bang in contention in the Giro but for descending in the wet 'like a girl'. For you to suggest he has returned to pre 2009 levels suggests a complete lack of knowledge on your part.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Is Wiggins really planning on riding Roubaix? What if it rains? It rains a lot in the "classics".

Obviously he will be hoping it stays dry. If it rains he will just pull out.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

To my mind it is inexplicable for someone naturally talented, riding clean, to be so mediocre after smashing all and sundry the year prior.

Not sure Wiggo has been so mediocre this year. He was showing good form early season and in the Giro when it wasn't raining. Since the Giro, he was essentially dropped by Sky for the Tour, as Sir Dave didn't want him and Froome causing friction and presumably seen which way the wind is blowing on the GT front in the future. As a result, he's decided to get back into eating pies and focus on the World ITT, which is a damned sight easier both on the body and the domestic front to prepare for.

If memory serves, when he did go full bore in the ITT in Poland, he stuffed Cancellara, which would normally bring forth accusations of doping as it is "accepted" that no-one can beat Cancellara in an ITT without doping.

The World ITT will be interesting both in terms of results and Wiggo's dimensions.

 

[Cycle Chic]

the human body functions very well for a reason - optimum survival. Haematocrit levels are there for a reason....when you start altering the body's natural chemistry it is going to try to revert back to its own 'thermometer reading'.

 

[blackcat]

Wiggins was a one trick pony - pursuit.

Had his break out year in 2009, cashed in 2012, back to one trick pony 2013.

Cannot believe the difference in form pre 2009 --> 2012 --> 2013 (== pre 2009). To my mind it is inexplicable for someone naturally talented, riding clean, to be so mediocre after smashing all and sundry the year prior.

premise he was clean pre-2009 Garmin. =Wrong.

Wigans was doping back at Linda Mac and prolly when he set his WR in u19 pursuit in Colombia at altitude.

But not a heavy doper. And not a road racer.

and not a bad person, or of less character to take dope in cycling.