Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[del1962]

Wiggins pre 2009 did Ok in the time trials, not pulling up trees, but decent results never the less

In fact given the year, his 7th in the worlds in 2005 is impressive.

 

[blackcat]

If memory serves, when he did go full bore in the ITT in Poland, he stuffed Cancellara, which would normally bring forth accusations of doping as it is "accepted" that no-one can beat Cancellara in an ITT without doping.

The World ITT will be interesting both in terms of results and Wiggo's dimensions.

you mean Classicomano Luigi

 

[blackcat]

Wiggins pre 2009 did Ok in the time trials, not pulling up trees, but decent results never the less

In fact given the year, his 7th in the worlds in 2005 is impressive.

BS. he had NO results. his only results were in a prologue in l'Avenir, and in 4 Days of Dunkirk.

He was supposed to be timetrialler, but a close analysis of his record, from his days at Linda Mac, FDJ, Credit Agricole, Cofidis, and High Road, will reveal this fiction for the apocryphal tale it is. (pleonasm)

 

[del1962]

BS. he had NO results. his only results were in a prologue in l'Avenir, and in 4 Days of Dunkirk.

He was supposed to be timetrialler, but a close analysis of his record, from his days at Linda Mac, FDJ, Credit Agricole, Cofidis, and High Road, will reveal this fiction for the apocryphal tale it is. (pleonasm)

Would you not say in 2005 that 7th in the worlds was a good result, especially if he was clean pre fuentes.

4th in Albi in 2007 TDF as well was a decent result

He was inconsistent though

 

[blackcat]

Would you not say in 2005 that 7th in the worlds was a good result, especially if he was clean pre fuentes.

4th in Albi in 2007 TDF as well was a decent result

He was inconsistent though

The Worlds TT. It is self-selective.

The best chrono riders, in that era, were Armstrong, Ullrich, Landis, Evans, Jose Gonzalez del Galdeano. They never rode the Worlds tt. It was for Michael Rogers to cherry pick

 

[blackcat]

The Worlds TT. It is self-selective.

The best chrono riders, in that era, were Armstrong, Ullrich, Landis, Evans, Jose Gonzalez del Galdeano. They never rode the Worlds tt. It was for Michael Rogers to cherry pick

Wigans. Even before the TdF, was a great rider. All pros are. He was a better than average chrono rider. I would put him 10-15 in the peleton.

But when you are getting beaten by Kloeden, a great tter you are not. Kloden good timetrialer. Never great.

Vino, good timetrialer, never great. When Vino won the Dauphine in 1999, the thing that was gonna hold him back from being a great GT rider, was his timetrialling (in)ability

 

[Galic Ho]

His success last year was down to picking and choosing races where the time trial was so important, this year he would have won in Catalunya if there had been a time trial, would have been second at worst without the mechanical in Trentino and he would have been bang in contention in the Giro but for descending in the wet 'like a girl'. For you to suggest he has returned to pre 2009 levels suggests a complete lack of knowledge on your part.

There was never a mechanical in Trentino.

But there was a temper tantrum when Wiggins found out his dialed down doping wasn't going to cut it. Hence the tantrum. Hence the crap Giro form relative to 2012 and mid race departure of his OWN choosing.

DIALED BACK DOPING REGIMENT. BC's aptly described, 'pat on the shoulder from the UCI.'

 

[Galic Ho]

BS. he had NO results. his only results were in a prologue in l'Avenir, and in 4 Days of Dunkirk.

He was supposed to be timetrialler, but a close analysis of his record, from his days at Linda Mac, FDJ, Credit Agricole, Cofidis, and High Road, will reveal this fiction for the apocryphal tale it is. (pleonasm)

11 years racing, never won a major ITT. In his 12th year, in 2012, he never lost a major ITT.

NOT NORMAL. But we ALL already know this. Old news.

 

[blackcat]

11 years racing, never won a major ITT. In his 12th year, in 2012, he never lost a major ITT.

NOT NORMAL. But we ALL already know this. Old news.

l'Avenir prologue not major?

Quatre jours du Dunkirk ne major pas/sans?

/sarcasm /jeneparlaispasFrancais

 

[blackcat]

DIALED BACK DOPING REGIMENT. BC's aptly described, 'pat on the shoulder from the UCI.'

I have said words to this effect, i may even have said they/he dialed back his D regimen.

was i the BC reference?

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

There was never a mechanical in Trentino.

But there was a temper tantrum when Wiggins found out his dialed down doping wasn't going to cut it. Hence the tantrum. Hence the crap Giro form relative to 2012 and mid race departure of his OWN choosing.

DIALED BACK DOPING REGIMENT. BC's aptly described, 'pat on the shoulder from the UCI.'

None of that has anything whatsoever to do with the point I was making though, just you saying what you want to say to suit your own agenda (as per usual).

 

[Galic Ho]

I have said words to this effect, i may even have said they/he dialed back his D regimen.

was i the BC reference?

yes. BC = blackcat

Pat on the back was just referencing your words in some thread today. May have been this one. Was that reference concerning Wiggins? Dunno.

But I have thought for months now Wiggins was told to BACK OFF. I really think he pushed the envelope last year. Like way over the line of what is acceptable ABP wise. Hence, back it off this year.

If he has put weight back on, his GC career is OVER. I don't see anyone losing that weight again at that age. Not to go that low and so far below a natural level for that height.

 

[Galic Ho]

None of that has anything whatsoever to do with the point I was making though, just you saying what you want to say to suit your own agenda (as per usual).

What agenda? That Wiggins didn't have the form! He proved it. That he lies and his fanboys buy every grain he says? You proved that AGAIN.

If my agenda is calling a spade a spade, so be it. Someone's gotta stand up for the truth and the truth is, Wiggins clearly did not have it this season. Didn't stop him running his mouth all the way till June did it? Oh that's right, you'd say he wasn't bragging or being arrogant.

Face it, he's done and dusted. I'm surprised Sky even want him on the team anymore. Dead weight. Stubborn and a major distraction.

 

[darwin553]

yes. BC = blackcat

Pat on the back was just referencing your words in some thread today. May have been this one. Was that reference concerning Wiggins? Dunno.

But I have thought for months now Wiggins was told to BACK OFF. I really think he pushed the envelope last year. Like way over the line of what is acceptable ABP wise. Hence, back it off this year.

If he has put weight back on, his GC career is OVER. I don't see anyone losing that weight again at that age. Not to go that low and so far below a natural level for that height.

Or he's got some pride and knew the writing was on the wall that Froome would wipe the floor with him come his defence of the TDF so came up with some bogus excuse about his knee.

Re supposably dodgy knee isn't gaining weight bad for his knee?

 

[blackcat]

Or he's got some pride and knew the writing was on the wall that Froome would wipe the floor with him come his defence of the TDF so came up with some bogus excuse about his knee.

Re supposably dodgy knee isn't gaining weight bad for his knee?

He needed to man up and work for Froome in this years TdF, and pay him back for CF winning him the 2012 TdF by not attacking him.

 

[Galic Ho]

It's not in Wiggins makeup to man up blackcat.

darwin556...Wiggins is massively underweight for his height. 8 kilos is a GOOD thing for his health. Not a bad thing. Well long term health anyway.

This reversed Wiggins might actually be tolerable.

 

[darwin553]

He needed to man up and work for Froome in this years TdF, and pay him back for CF winning him the 2012 TdF by not attacking him.

I guess that's why he is specializing in ITT now

 

[blackcat]

It's not in Wiggins makeup to man up blackcat.

darwin556...Wiggins is massively underweight for his height. 8 kilos is a GOOD thing for his health. Not a bad thing. Well long term health anyway.

This reversed Wiggins might actually be tolerable.

not in a pro sports individuals disposition, to give back

 

[neineinei]

With the admissions of Klier and Blijlevens the water might be getting a bit hot around Servais Knaven again. Has Blijlevens been speaking to the Dutch anti-doping agency?

 

[taiwan]

Can't believe this got all the way down to page 4 =o

Would anyone care to predict which way Deignan will go at Sky? Like Porte or like JTL?

I guess more likely JTL, because I haven't noticed Sky turning anyone into a superman in a mere off season, so far at least.

 

[the sceptic]

Where are the sky riders in this vuelta? Looks like marginal gains have stopped working.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Where are the sky riders in this vuelta? Looks like marginal gains have stopped working.

Second in Giro and winning the Tour. Seems they have done 'ok' in GTs this year. I don't think they have podiumed on all 3 in one year have they?

 

[Beech Mtn]

Where are the sky riders in this vuelta? Looks like marginal gains have stopped working.

Or doing excessively hard training camps doesn't work so well for the guys who aren't on the exclusive rocket fuel??? But Kerrison is a guru. He knows cycling better than anyone ever has or ever shall. Exceptional coaching, better training, marginal gains. Nothing to see here.

 

[tweak37]

Where are the sky riders in this vuelta? Looks like marginal gains have stopped working.

Yes, and their doping program must be suddenly outdated and ineffective.

 

[the sceptic]

Yes, and their doping program must be suddenly outdated and ineffective.

Maybe Badzilla has spread to the other riders, or maybe marginal gains only work in july.

But something is wrong when you see the richest team in the world with the best coaches, training methods, talents etc are almost as pathetic as garmin. They cant even beat clean riders anymore.

Or maybe everyone else has started doping again?