Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[MartinGT]

Question is: what the hell Sky going to do in 2013?

I'd say they're deadlocked on now to approach the program. Porte has been taken under Wiggins's wing so he doesn't spill the beans. Froome is the worry. He's going to want it hit it at the same levels as before.

Rogers will feel lost as he won't be able to improve by 7% again. He'll be out of Sky by 2013 year end.

Thats it, I asked a a while ago will Sky podium in 2013 at any of the GT's.

IMO Wiggo will finish top 10 in the Giro, but the lower part of the top 10.

Froome, well, he said the Tour's 2013 parcours was easier than he thought it was going to be, they need to keep reins on this kid!

 

[sublimit]

Question is: what the hell Sky going to do in 2013?

I'd say they're deadlocked on now to approach the program. Porte has been taken under Wiggins's wing so he doesn't spill the beans. Froome is the worry. He's going to want it hit it at the same levels as before.

Rogers will feel lost as he won't be able to improve by 7% again. He'll be out of Sky by 2013 year end.

Froome will not want to become the new Cobo and become a laughing stock so needs to perform well again for sure.

Surprised Rogers didn't leave for the OGRE's to be fair. maybe its not too late for him for that.

 

[oldcrank]

so says the **** accusing Lemond of doping without a shred of evidence. I guess you're the expert on delusional myopia. wacko.

I merely pointed out Lemonds troubling life-long relationship with,
and continued support of, the unrepentant architect of the USA's
blood-bag fueled "successes" at the 1984 Olympics, which was
approximately the same time-frame as some of his successes.

 

[thehog]

Froome will not want to become the new Cobo and become a laughing stock so needs to perform well again for sure.

Surprised Rogers didn't leave for the OGRE's to be fair. maybe its not too late for him for that.

Crystal ball says the following:

Wiggins gets 7th in Giro based on TT form.
Porte strong early but falls away to nothing.
Porte gets frustrated in latter part of 2013. Wants results for himself and Wiggins has lost interest in "team".
Froome goes gangbusters at Tour. In one stage he goes over the top and either wins solo by 2 minutes or does his one handed look around gestures again. He'll drop Contador on one stage and put serious time into him.
The peloton after the Armstrong fall out will begin to call him out.
Froome with the pressure of doping innuendo will start to dial it back and drop away.
Porte will either test positive or non-confess confess by eluding to certain "things" in the press.
Sky's classic campaign will be woeful.

 

[cineteq]

Crystal ball says the following:

Wiggins gets 7th in Giro based on TT form.
Porte strong early but falls away to nothing.
Porte gets frustrated in latter part of 2013. Wants results for himself and Wiggins has lost interest in "team".
Froome goes gangbusters at Tour. In one stage he goes over the top and either wins solo by 2 minutes or does his one handed look around gestures again. He'll drop Contador on one stage and put serious time into him.
The peloton after the Armstrong fall out will begin to call him out.
Froome with the pressure of doping innuendo will start to dial it back and drop away.
Porte will either test positive or non-confess confess by eluding to certain "things" in the press.
Sky's classic campaign will be woeful.

Saved for posterity. I think you're on the right track. Sky will not be the same as this year.

 

[Gloin22]

Crystal ball says the following:

Wiggins gets 7th in Giro based on TT form.
Porte strong early but falls away to nothing.
Porte gets frustrated in latter part of 2013. Wants results for himself and Wiggins has lost interest in "team".
Froome goes gangbusters at Tour. In one stage he goes over the top and either wins solo by 2 minutes or does his one handed look around gestures again. He'll drop Contador on one stage and put serious time into him.
The peloton after the Armstrong fall out will begin to call him out.
Froome with the pressure of doping innuendo will start to dial it back and drop away.
Porte will either test positive or non-confess confess by eluding to certain "things" in the press.
Sky's classic campaign will be woeful.

Oh, this is awesome.

Will just save it in my notepad to at the end of year see how wrong / right you were

This shall be fun xD

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

I can't predict how Sky will do next year but I can be certain of the clinic's response to their performances.

If Sky have a bad year next year it will be proof they were doping this year but they have eased off after fear of getting caught in the wake of the Armstrong affair.

If Sky have a similar year it will be proof they were doping this year as it is impossible to maintain such consistency when clean.

If Sky have a better year it will be proof they were doping this year and proof that they are doping even more next year.

 

[Telmisartan new]

Crystal ball says the following:

Wiggins gets 7th in Giro based on TT form.
Porte strong early but falls away to nothing.
Porte gets frustrated in latter part of 2013. Wants results for himself and Wiggins has lost interest in "team".
Froome goes gangbusters at Tour. In one stage he goes over the top and either wins solo by 2 minutes or does his one handed look around gestures again. He'll drop Contador on one stage and put serious time into him.
The peloton after the Armstrong fall out will begin to call him out.
Froome with the pressure of doping innuendo will start to dial it back and drop away.
Porte will either test positive or non-confess confess by eluding to certain "things" in the press.
Sky's classic campaign will be woeful.

Sensational post, like an appetiser for the 'Sky 2013 prediction' thread that will pop up over xmas, a little taster for us and it works for me! Not sure if any of that will materialise but its sure fun to read.

 

[thehog]

Oh, this is awesome.

Will just save it in my notepad to at the end of year see how wrong / right you were

This shall be fun xD

The sad part of your post it just shows that some of you are only here to try and prove me right or wrong.

Thats not the point of this thread.

There is a serious affliction in cycling known as doping but many of you like yourself don't seem to care.

The problem is not the UCI. Its the "fans" like yourself and those who "championed" the USPS efforts as clean that turn cycling into the circus that it is.

I feel sad for you. I really do.

As a point of interest I predicted the "Wiggins violent reaction" to doping questions at the Tour. You see all dopers behave the same way.

 

[the sceptic]

I can't predict how Sky will do next year but I can be certain of the clinic's response to their performances.

If Sky have a bad year next year it will be proof they were doping this year but they have eased off after fear of getting caught in the wake of the Armstrong affair.

If Sky have a similar year it will be proof they were doping this year as it is impossible to maintain such consistency when clean.

If Sky have a better year it will be proof they were doping this year and proof that they are doping even more next year.

I can also predict how sky fanboys will respond.

If sky has a bad year it will be proof they are clean because the long and successful (and clean) 2012 burned them out.

If sky has a similar year it will be proof they are clean, since they have proved that they can maintain their marginal gains and superior talent over a clean peloton.

If sky has a better year it will be proof they are clean, since their superior talent and marginal gains makes it possible to win even more now because the rest of the peloton is scared after the Lance saga. (and of course out of form and/or lazy)

 

[Don Quixote]

Crystal ball says the following:

Wiggins gets 1st in Giro based on TT form.
Porte weak early but strengthens considerably.
Porte gets frustrated in Jan 2013. Wants to devote himself spiritually to Wiggins who has lost interest in "team".
Froome goes gangbusters at Tour. In one stage he goes over the top and either wins solo by 50 minutes or does his one handed look around gestures again, except this time with no hands. He'll drop Contador off the bike, on one stage and put serious time into him.
The peloton after the Armstrong fall out will begin to call for his return.
Froome with the pressure of doping innuendo will start a rider charity.
Porte will either test negative or confess non-confess by not eluding to certain "things" in the press.
Sky's classic campaign will be wonderful.

Fair enough, let's see how it pans out.

 

[Snafu352]

I can't predict how Sky will do next year but I can be certain of the clinic's response to their performances.

If Sky have a bad year next year it will be proof they were doping this year but they have eased off after fear of getting caught in the wake of the Armstrong affair.

If Sky have a similar year it will be proof they were doping this year as it is impossible to maintain such consistency when clean.

If Sky have a better year it will be proof they were doping this year and proof that they are doping even more next year.

Spot on.
It would be interesting for one of those who are more doubtful of the cleanliness of Sky to supply "thoughts" as to what Sky could do to "prove" they are not doping.
Would removing ex-dopers perhaps be one of those things?
I do agree that perhaps a truth and reconciliaiton process would be better, but that is for the UCI as the governing body to implement.
What can a team do on it's own? It's either get rid of the people associated with doping or have them admit the association and continue working with them.
I wonder how Sky coming out and saying we know this guy had links to doping in the past but he's admitted it and we are going to move forward would play with the clinic...actually no i don't we all know how that would play.
So it seems that the logical conclusion is that the clinic will only be happy once Sky are gone.
Hhmm.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

I can also predict how sky fanboys will respond.

If sky has a bad year it will be proof they are clean because the long and successful (and clean) 2012 burned them out.

If sky has a similar year it will be proof they are clean, since they have proved that they can maintain their marginal gains and superior talent over a clean peloton.

If sky has a better year it will be proof they are clean, since their superior talent and marginal gains makes it possible to win even more now because the rest of the peloton is scared after the Lance saga. (and of course out of form and/or lazy)

A typically childish response. Who are these 'Sky fanboys' in the clinic anyway? Presumbably anyone who doesn't take it as a fact that Sky are doping?

 

[MartinGT]

I can also predict how sky fanboys will respond.

If sky has a bad year it will be proof they are clean because the long and successful (and clean) 2012 burned them out.

If sky has a similar year it will be proof they are clean, since they have proved that they can maintain their marginal gains and superior talent over a clean peloton.

If sky has a better year it will be proof they are clean, since their superior talent and marginal gains makes it possible to win even more now because the rest of the peloton is scared after the Lance saga. (and of course out of form and/or lazy)

Mwhahahaha, hows them apples eh?

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Mwhahahaha, hows them apples eh?

Lance Armstrong once said that, therefore that is proof that you are a doper.

 

[sublimit]

Crystal ball says the following:

Wiggins gets 7th in Giro based on TT form.
Porte strong early but falls away to nothing.
Porte gets frustrated in latter part of 2013. Wants results for himself and Wiggins has lost interest in "team".
Froome goes gangbusters at Tour. In one stage he goes over the top and either wins solo by 2 minutes or does his one handed look around gestures again. He'll drop Contador on one stage and put serious time into him.
The peloton after the Armstrong fall out will begin to call him out.
Froome with the pressure of doping innuendo will start to dial it back and drop away.
Porte will either test positive or non-confess confess by eluding to certain "things" in the press.
Sky's classic campaign will be woeful.

You seem to be obsessed with Porte like Mrs John Murphy is with Frodo,. er Cavendish. Dunno what the Little Tasmanian kid can do apart from ride his bike. Ok he came from Saxo and working with Contador and Riis but I dont get the reason why you single him out.

 

[MartinGT]

You seem to be obsessed with Porte like Mrs John Murphy is with Frodo,. er Cavendish. Dunno what the Little Tasmanian kid can do apart from ride his bike. Ok he came from Saxo and working with Contador and Riis but I dont get the reason why you single him out.

Frodo LOL!

Aye, I dont understand the Porte link. Come on lads, share!

 

[thehog]

You seem to be obsessed with Porte like Mrs John Murphy is with Frodo,. er Cavendish. Dunno what the Little Tasmanian kid can do apart from ride his bike. Ok he came from Saxo and working with Contador and Riis but I dont get the reason why you single him out.

I single him out because he has a load of potential. He could win the Tour one day. He really can. He also could win or come close in certain classics.

I like him a lot.

But I'm sad to see the way he's going. I know he's earning more money than he knows what to do with now but has has now crossed a line. A line he won't come back from now.

This is career defining for him. He'll get tainted with the Sky fallout soon enough. And that would be a great shame for a rider who I truly believe has amazing talent.

I do actually care what happens to him.


Edit: This is the unseen cost of doping. Destroys talent.

 

[red_flanders]

This thread has repeatedly descended into bickering, insults, off-topic ramblings and now some incredibly tactless posts.

I don't want to close the thread, but that's the next step. Please clean it up and stay on topic. What you think of other posters is not the topic. Thanks.

 

[Snafu352]

I can also predict how sky fanboys will respond.

If sky has a bad year it will be proof they are clean because the long and successful (and clean) 2012 burned them out.

If sky has a similar year it will be proof they are clean, since they have proved that they can maintain their marginal gains and superior talent over a clean peloton.

If sky has a better year it will be proof they are clean, since their superior talent and marginal gains makes it possible to win even more now because the rest of the peloton is scared after the Lance saga. (and of course out of form and/or lazy)

Nah. If they have a bad year it could well be due to being on a program this year and dialling it back or to others getting better or to poor form & internal disputes within Sky, if they have a comparable year it proves nothing, if they have a better year again it proves nothing. Or all three results prove nothing.
At the end of the day nobody posting here knows diddly squat.
I don't see many, if any, posts talking about Sky in the way you satirise, there are plenty that read strikingly akin to Bernies eyesore's observations however.

 

[MartinGT]

I single him out because he has a load of potential. He could win the Tour one day. He really can. He also could win or come close in certain classics.

I like him a lot.

But I'm sad to see the way he's going. I know he's earning more money than he knows what to do with now but he's crossed a line. A line he won't come back from now.

This is career defining for him. He'll get tainted with the Sky fallout soon enough. And that would be a great shame for a rider who I truly believe has amazing talent.

I do actually care what happens to him.


Edit: This is the unseen cost of doping. Destroys talent.

What about Eddy Bos Hog? You see him going a similar way?

 

[Snafu352]

@thehog, your last post reads as if you have inside info.
Do you? If you do have you taken it to the appropriate authorities?

 

[thehog]

@thehog, your last post reads as if you have inside info.
Do you? If you do have you taken it to the appropriate authorities?

Yes I spoke to the UCI and they said they'd take care of it.

No I don't have inside info...

 

[Snafu352]

@thehog
Thanks.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

At the end of the day nobody posting here knows diddly squat.

Which is, in and of itself, a damning indictment of the team's commitment to transparency.