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Darryl Webster said:
Dont know the origins of this but picked it up on Cycling Weekly forum. Think it may amuse a few here. I especialy like the suggestion other teams may be blocking Brads power meter data!..PMSL

"Sources close to Sky training staff have confirmed that Wiggin's power meter analysis before the race showed his FTP (functional threshold power) and power to weight ratio were better than ever. One coach told our source, "We are not sure yet if there is a problem with the power meter data analysis software which should estimate FTP to + / - 0.5% or if it is a power meter calibration problem. Brad is adamant that the power meters he is using in the Giro this year are giving him lower numbers for a perceived effort than he was getting all year in training. In fact we know his heart rate is higher at certain wattages in the race than it was in training but we know heart rate is irrelevant so we are not worried about this. We noticed that when the climbs get steep his cadence is lower than in training, but we know cadence is a red herring and we just look at the power numbers. We talked to Brad about his calibration methods and he has assured us he has been doing things by the book, but then he also said he left it to Steven de Jongh, Bobby Julich or Sean Yates to sort out his power meters until this year and when we asked him which book he was using he said he was using the same book as a weight as last year. We have tried putting the data through some new software and comparing that to the old software and we have found that the new software is a bit different to the old but only by a few watts. We have sent a whole load of data off to Dr Andrew Coggan, the leading expert in this field, and are hopeful he will be able to explain what has been going on. We told him about Brad's higher heart rate at over 400 watts in the race than he was getting in training but Coggan told us heart rate was of no use if you are training with power. We also think some of the other teams might be using some sort of device which throws the SRM data off. Brad says his power meter numbers get stuck whenever Nibali attacks. In fact Brad was looking at his power numbers which were a bit weird when he crashed the other day."

Kerrison says he believes Sky are the only professional team that offers dedicated one-to-one coaching to all its riders &**8211; they have four full-time coaches at present &**8211; and notes that other teams are looking to the British squad, whether it be warming down after stages, or sending whole detachments to train at altitude in Tenerife. "Everyone is now following our lead in things like warm-downs; more and more teams have coaching staff. I genuinely hope it's the start of a new era in cycling."

Sounds like a cyclismas spo0f. But seriously, if true it also sounds like Wiggo may have undercooked his whole preseason training program..? As for heart rate and cadence now irrelevant? Really? And so much for the one on one coaching.

And spare the Kerrison self promoting vomit inducing regurge.
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
Is it just me or does something smell funny with the 2 cleanest guys in the peloton from the 2 cleanest teams in the peloton both pulling out?

How many other riders so far have pulled out due to being unwell (as opposed to injured in an accident)?

Virus / infection is now being touted by both.

Similar to 2011 Vuelta? Doesn't seem to be.

When was the last time 2 out of the top 4 contenders (Nibali + Evans) pulled out due to having the sniffles?

Combination of new weight loss metabolism drugs/diet regimes pushing down body fat so low that the immune system cannot cope with early season cold and rainy unpredictable weather... System margins pushed too unnaturally tight?
 
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Tinman said:
Combination of new weight loss metabolism drugs/diet regimes pushing down body fat so low that the immune system cannot cope with early season cold and rainy unpredictable weather... System margins pushed too unnaturally tight?

Assuming they are clean: the best GT riders in the peloton - based on past performance - are the best because they can train the hardest, recover the best, have good constitutions, training experience, racing experience, mental fortitude, etc, etc.

I'm looking at guys in breakaways etc riding through the rain nearly holding off the peloton, water dripping from their faces, and here's Wiggins and Ryder heading home.

It seems such a complete turn around from 2012 for Wiggins.

This is something new too - since when do multiple favourites go home with virus / infections?
 
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Darryl Webster said:
We also think some of the other teams might be using some sort of device which throws the SRM data off. Brad says his power meter numbers get stuck whenever Nibali attacks.

Oh the desperation setting in. Failure followed by blame, if not equipment then competitors.

Sounds a bit like the Cancellara bike engine story.

Even then, not a bad idea to deploy some wireless jamming devices to screw over the competition... Will we see a return to wired data for the TdF I wonder?
 
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Darryl Webster said:
In fact Brad was looking at his power numbers which were a bit weird when he crashed the other day.

Power meters unbelievably useful when going downhill, especially in the rain.
 

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Tinman said:
Power meters unbelievably useful when going downhill, especially in the rain.

Kerrison has been studying Nibali's cadence when the Shark is going downhill. He plans to replicate it for Wiggins.

It could be the edge Wiggins is looking for.
 
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Darryl Webster said:
Dont know the origins of this but picked it up on Cycling Weekly forum. Think it may amuse a few here. I especialy like the suggestion other teams may be blocking Brads power meter data!..PMSL

"Sources close to Sky training staff have confirmed that Wiggin's power meter analysis before the race showed his FTP (functional threshold power) and power to weight ratio were better than ever. One coach told our source, "We are not sure yet if there is a problem with the power meter data analysis software which should estimate FTP to + / - 0.5% or if it is a power meter calibration problem. Brad is adamant that the power meters he is using in the Giro this year are giving him lower numbers for a perceived effort than he was getting all year in training. In fact we know his heart rate is higher at certain wattages in the race than it was in training but we know heart rate is irrelevant so we are not worried about this. We noticed that when the climbs get steep his cadence is lower than in training, but we know cadence is a red herring and we just look at the power numbers. We talked to Brad about his calibration methods and he has assured us he has been doing things by the book, but then he also said he left it to Steven de Jongh, Bobby Julich or Sean Yates to sort out his power meters until this year and when we asked him which book he was using he said he was using the same book as a weight as last year. We have tried putting the data through some new software and comparing that to the old software and we have found that the new software is a bit different to the old but only by a few watts. We have sent a whole load of data off to Dr Andrew Coggan, the leading expert in this field, and are hopeful he will be able to explain what has been going on. We told him about Brad's higher heart rate at over 400 watts in the race than he was getting in training but Coggan told us heart rate was of no use if you are training with power. We also think some of the other teams might be using some sort of device which throws the SRM data off. Brad says his power meter numbers get stuck whenever Nibali attacks. In fact Brad was looking at his power numbers which were a bit weird when he crashed the other day."

Kerrison says he believes Sky are the only professional team that offers dedicated one-to-one coaching to all its riders &**8211; they have four full-time coaches at present &**8211; and notes that other teams are looking to the British squad, whether it be warming down after stages, or sending whole detachments to train at altitude in Tenerife. "Everyone is now following our lead in things like warm-downs; more and more teams have coaching staff. I genuinely hope it's the start of a new era in cycling."

Fact or fiction does not matter, this was priceless :p
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
Is it just me or does something smell funny with the 2 cleanest guys in the peloton from the 2 cleanest teams in the peloton both pulling out?

How many other riders so far have pulled out due to being unwell (as opposed to injured in an accident)?

Virus / infection is now being touted by both.

Similar to 2011 Vuelta? Doesn't seem to be.

When was the last time 2 out of the top 4 contenders (Nibali + Evans) pulled out due to having the sniffles?

Dude, Ryder rides with Garmin. Got issues with him, put it in a non-Sky thread. This is only for Sky maddness :p
 
Aug 27, 2012
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thehog said:
Kerrison has been studying Nibali's cadence when the Shark is going downhill. He plans to replicate it for Wiggins.

It could be the edge Wiggins is looking for.

Kerrison has particular expertise on marginal gains in the wet.
 
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What an absolute piece of cra*.

Darryl Webster said:
"Sources close to Sky training staff have confirmed that Wiggin's power meter analysis before the race showed his FTP (functional threshold power) and power to weight ratio were better than ever. One coach told our source, "We are not sure yet if there is a problem with the power meter data analysis software which should estimate FTP to + / - 0.5% or if it is a power meter calibration problem b.s. a pro team will know this to the minutae. Brad is adamant that the power meters he is using in the Giro this year are giving him lower numbers for a perceived effort than he was getting all year in training potentially, but it is more likely that his mind has gone wonky. In fact we know his heart rate is higher at certain wattages in the race than it was in training but we know heart rate is irrelevant so we are not worried about this. red herring. heart rate is a key indicator of training and racing performance. It is only irrelevant when completely in easier zones where a small modulation is unimportant. Go up in HR, effect on the body goes exponential. Seems to me that aerobic capacity is down We noticed that when the climbs get steep his cadence is lower than in training, but we know cadence is a red herring and we just look at the power numbers B.S. so why was Brad talking about cadence earlier then. Seems to me that aerobic capacity is down.. We talked to Brad about his calibration methods and he has assured us he has been doing things by the book, but then he also said he left it to Steven de Jongh, Bobby Julich or Sean Yates to sort out his power meters until this year and when we asked him which book he was using he said he was using the same book as a weight as last year. so much for marginal gainsWe have tried putting the data through some new software and comparing that to the old software and we have found that the new software is a bit different to the old but only by a few watts. We have sent a whole load of data off to Dr Andrew Coggan, the leading expert in this field, and are hopeful he will be able to explain what has been going on. here is the 'external expert' brought in to convince the massesWe told him about Brad's higher heart rate at over 400 watts in the race than he was getting in training but Coggan told us heart rate was of no use if you are training with power. b.s. see point above. sounds like the same approach used with experts to prove Lance's performance was human.We also think some of the other teams might be using some sort of device which throws the SRM data off. Brad says his power meter numbers get stuck whenever Nibali attacks. In fact Brad was looking at his power numbers which were a bit weird when he crashed the other day." I'd be doing this if I were a d.s. for a competing team and sky was known to focus solely on the power meters. Would be a great way to mess with their minds.

Kerrison says he believes Sky are the only professional team that offers dedicated one-to-one coaching to all its riders &**8211; ha, ha, ha. when I was coaching at the club level 20 years ago, we always gave 1 on 1 coaching to all skiers they have four full-time coaches at present &**8211; whip dee dooand notes that other teams are looking to the British squad, whether it be warming down after stages we were doing this in the 80's, or sending whole detachments to train at altitude in Tenerife we were doing this to less exotic locals than Tenerife in the 80's.. "Everyone is now following our lead in things like warm-downs; more and more teams have coaching staff you mean that teams had to get rid of the dodgy doctors and instead hired dodgy coaches, correct?. I genuinely hope it's the start of a new era in cycling p.r. b.s. good talking points, but completely meaningless."
 
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This thread has become hilarious :D

Loved the "looking at the power meter going downhill in the rain" and "jamming devices". Brilliant. You couldn't make it up. No, really, you couldn't.
 
May 19, 2010
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Darryl Webster said:
Dont know the origins of this but picked it up on Cycling Weekly forum. Think it may amuse a few here. I especialy like the suggestion other teams may be blocking Brads power meter data!..PMSL

"Sources close to Sky training staff have confirmed that Wiggin's power meter analysis before the race showed his FTP (functional threshold power) and power to weight ratio were better than ever. One coach told our source, "We are not sure yet if there is a problem with the power meter data analysis software which should estimate FTP to + / - 0.5% or if it is a power meter calibration problem. Brad is adamant that the power meters he is using in the Giro this year are giving him lower numbers for a perceived effort than he was getting all year in training. In fact we know his heart rate is higher at certain wattages in the race than it was in training but we know heart rate is irrelevant so we are not worried about this. We noticed that when the climbs get steep his cadence is lower than in training, but we know cadence is a red herring and we just look at the power numbers. We talked to Brad about his calibration methods and he has assured us he has been doing things by the book, but then he also said he left it to Steven de Jongh, Bobby Julich or Sean Yates to sort out his power meters until this year and when we asked him which book he was using he said he was using the same book as a weight as last year. We have tried putting the data through some new software and comparing that to the old software and we have found that the new software is a bit different to the old but only by a few watts. We have sent a whole load of data off to Dr Andrew Coggan, the leading expert in this field, and are hopeful he will be able to explain what has been going on. We told him about Brad's higher heart rate at over 400 watts in the race than he was getting in training but Coggan told us heart rate was of no use if you are training with power. We also think some of the other teams might be using some sort of device which throws the SRM data off. Brad says his power meter numbers get stuck whenever Nibali attacks. In fact Brad was looking at his power numbers which were a bit weird when he crashed the other day."

Kerrison says he believes Sky are the only professional team that offers dedicated one-to-one coaching to all its riders &**8211; they have four full-time coaches at present &**8211; and notes that other teams are looking to the British squad, whether it be warming down after stages, or sending whole detachments to train at altitude in Tenerife. "Everyone is now following our lead in things like warm-downs; more and more teams have coaching staff. I genuinely hope it's the start of a new era in cycling."

:D
If there only was a video to accompany this, it could go viral; Nibali turning up the switch on his evil genius jamming device when he is about to attack.
 
Sep 18, 2010
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Darryl Webster said:
Brad says his power meter numbers get stuck whenever Nibali attacks.

Error, error, does not compute!

In fact Brad was looking at his power numbers which were a bit weird when he crashed the other day.

Maybe the next marginal gain would be for Sky to teach their riders to look at the road while descending?
 
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I absolutely love the idea of Sky being completely thrown off by jamming their power meters, after what Porte said. Please, someone make it happen. :D
 
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Random Direction said:
What an absolute piece of cra*.

If you are so clever how comes you are just some internet loser living with your moms while kerrison is employed as superexpert by the best sports team in the world.
 

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Tinman said:
Kerrison has particular expertise on marginal gains in the wet.

On some sections of the downhill Nibali had his cadence at 0. Hopefully Wiggins can replicate this. That would be mean Brad would have the same candace as Tony Martin in the ITT and Nibali when decending.
 
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thehog said:
Hopefully Wiggins can replicate this.

I suspect what Kerrison can really teach Wiggo on cadence in the wet is some of the special effects that took Thorpe to the Olympic gold in the pool.